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16 February 2004, 07:28 PM
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Truth be known I like the scooby
). You have to take a balanced view when comparing performance cars. I know for a fact that without a shaddow of a doubt a 20vt would have my MY99 (now standard again) from 70mph onwards but that doesn't bother me because I didn't buy it for its top end. Similarly my £2k pug would destroy my scooby after 100mph but again I don't care because in the corners the difference is laughable. Its all about compromises, I'm selling the scooby cause its too much to run. The pug is much cheaper to buy and run, almost as fast and offsets the other benefits of the scooby with gizmo's. I don't think you are a **** for choosing a 20vt, far from it, but your posts suggest you might in fact be such a person 
16 February 2004, 07:34 PM
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Got to admit the guy who started this thread is a *** and deserves all the flaming he has got, but some of the replies regarding Fiat reliability and all Fiats being a load of crap are plain wrong. From experience the Fiat I own now has been the most reliable car I have ever owned, in the 18 months I have had it now it has not once ever had anything go wrong and does not rattle. Also the Fiat my dad owned for 3 years never had anything go wrong. They have been a lot better than the Rovers, Fords, Renaults, Vauxhalls and Hondas we have owned between us.
16 February 2004, 07:42 PM
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SA_20V, check the recent coupe thread, pretty complimentary. I have been lurking round these parts since I was looking for a Scoob, didnt end up getting one as we Bought a Volvo T5 (3 kids). Anyway A few years on I am now looking for a performance car, have given up on Scoobs really as the missus just wont entertain it and perhaps I have gone off the idea, hence I fancy a FC20VT which has a certain grudging respect on here (perhaps more than the Audi TT). The Subaru I think is the better car in many respects, but I just cant resist the Fiat Coupe despite by better judgement, as for looking dated, dont think so, its a classic, well proportioned with Italian flair. As for the Daewoo comments about Scoobs, thats just pathetic, ones a rally bred 4wd flying machine and the other is a cut price re-hashed Vauxhall from 1980.
I always find that if you wander into someone elses domain. it pays to be polite, respectful with measured debate rather than be like a marauding Baboon, just because you are sat behind a keyboard with no real consequences to what you say it doesnt mean you should just try and wind people up.
I will probably continue to lurk on here regardless of whatever vehicle I own (currently a VW Sharan and a Mondeo) mainly because there are some very funny, knowledgeable, helpful and decent people on here. So dont be a **** and people will be nice, come in with a bad attitude and you tend to get it back.
There is enough aggresion, war and unpleasantness in the world without worrying about what model of car you have, we are all enthusiasts. Next thing we know we will be like bloody football hooligans, its so tribal.
I always find that if you wander into someone elses domain. it pays to be polite, respectful with measured debate rather than be like a marauding Baboon, just because you are sat behind a keyboard with no real consequences to what you say it doesnt mean you should just try and wind people up.
I will probably continue to lurk on here regardless of whatever vehicle I own (currently a VW Sharan and a Mondeo) mainly because there are some very funny, knowledgeable, helpful and decent people on here. So dont be a **** and people will be nice, come in with a bad attitude and you tend to get it back.
There is enough aggresion, war and unpleasantness in the world without worrying about what model of car you have, we are all enthusiasts. Next thing we know we will be like bloody football hooligans, its so tribal.
16 February 2004, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Kyl3cook
Hello,
If I was to choose between the two cars I would have an Impreza purely because of the performance advantage and the security and grip of 4wd. However I didn't buy either, and instead bought a Mitsubishi Evo VIII FQ300! talk about expensive to run!!! insurance is £3409 to start with!...but I wouldn't change it for the world. (except for an MR)
If I was to choose between the two cars I would have an Impreza purely because of the performance advantage and the security and grip of 4wd. However I didn't buy either, and instead bought a Mitsubishi Evo VIII FQ300! talk about expensive to run!!! insurance is £3409 to start with!...but I wouldn't change it for the world. (except for an MR)
Talk about stirring it up
Fair play to you mate, I love the Evo much better than the Impreza
16 February 2004, 08:40 PM
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OK, I'll bite.
what you're blatantly missing, is that at the end of the day, the Scooby is MORE of an icon than the FIAT (a great car nevertheless) will ever be.
It is also more versatile. For a petrol-head, half the battle is the sound as well. Againm the Fiat can't compete.
Nice motor, but very dated now. Car technology and styling has moved on.
All I will say is, there is a term for people who come onto other forums, looking to cause aggro - "Troll"...... Might I suggest that you either start posting in a contructive positive manner (you'll be very welcome on ScoobyNet then), or leave.
what you're blatantly missing, is that at the end of the day, the Scooby is MORE of an icon than the FIAT (a great car nevertheless) will ever be.
It is also more versatile. For a petrol-head, half the battle is the sound as well. Againm the Fiat can't compete.
Nice motor, but very dated now. Car technology and styling has moved on.
All I will say is, there is a term for people who come onto other forums, looking to cause aggro - "Troll"...... Might I suggest that you either start posting in a contructive positive manner (you'll be very welcome on ScoobyNet then), or leave.
16 February 2004, 09:03 PM
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You lot on this board are great 
The same mix of owners (ranging from "Scoobys are the only car on the planet worth having" to "Wow - that's quick - respect") as we have on The Fiat Coupe board.
A couple of you have twigged SA's sense of humour already. A couple (or more) of you rose to the bait
Let's face it, we know all the Impreza's strong points, and you won't catch many Coupe owners trying to outdrag you from a wet roundabout. However, I think some of you have been afflicted by the same mis-information about Coupes as seems to be prevalent amongst anyone that hasn't actually driven one.
They all rattle. OK, there's the odd trim squeak and creak, but my 1998 20VT is quieter that the bosses Merc.
They all break. Well yes, if you're like Burnsy, JohnS and others on the board that seem intent on running at 1.5bar all day. Standard Coops (Hmm - chicken jokes - not heard that one before
) will go on for ages. Saw 123k out of my last one - 89k out of the current one.
Dealers - Hahahahahaha - we don't go near them - 'nuff said.
Styling - too objective. Most people on the Coupe forum love their unique styling (well, they would really, wouldn't they) I really don't think current model Impreza owners are in much of a position to brag about automotive beauty though
Let's face it - The Coupe is one of the VERY few cars on the road that will match (and sometimes beat) an enthusiastically-driven Impreza. OK, we're going to struggle with standing quarters, but it would be VERY interesting to see standing mile times, or 30-100 times or anything that removed the 4wd standing-start advantage. You can't argue with 290ft lb and 280 bhp for well under six grand. And you'll never mistake a Coupe for anything else, whereas..... no - won't go there..
Good to see a "grudging respect" on here for our chosen steed. The feeling's kinda mutual. Why not pop over to the Coop forum and have a nose around. We're really not all like SA. Some of us are nearly serious
The same mix of owners (ranging from "Scoobys are the only car on the planet worth having" to "Wow - that's quick - respect") as we have on The Fiat Coupe board.
A couple of you have twigged SA's sense of humour already. A couple (or more) of you rose to the bait
Let's face it, we know all the Impreza's strong points, and you won't catch many Coupe owners trying to outdrag you from a wet roundabout. However, I think some of you have been afflicted by the same mis-information about Coupes as seems to be prevalent amongst anyone that hasn't actually driven one.
They all rattle. OK, there's the odd trim squeak and creak, but my 1998 20VT is quieter that the bosses Merc.
They all break. Well yes, if you're like Burnsy, JohnS and others on the board that seem intent on running at 1.5bar all day. Standard Coops (Hmm - chicken jokes - not heard that one before
) will go on for ages. Saw 123k out of my last one - 89k out of the current one.Dealers - Hahahahahaha - we don't go near them - 'nuff said.
Styling - too objective. Most people on the Coupe forum love their unique styling (well, they would really, wouldn't they) I really don't think current model Impreza owners are in much of a position to brag about automotive beauty though
Let's face it - The Coupe is one of the VERY few cars on the road that will match (and sometimes beat) an enthusiastically-driven Impreza. OK, we're going to struggle with standing quarters, but it would be VERY interesting to see standing mile times, or 30-100 times or anything that removed the 4wd standing-start advantage. You can't argue with 290ft lb and 280 bhp for well under six grand. And you'll never mistake a Coupe for anything else, whereas..... no - won't go there..
Good to see a "grudging respect" on here for our chosen steed. The feeling's kinda mutual.
Why not pop over to the Coop forum and have a nose around. We're really not all like SA. Some of us are nearly serious
16 February 2004, 09:19 PM
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For the ScoobyNet members - I've just posted this on the Coupe forum thread that links to this thread. We're all up for a bit of inter-forum banter and friendly rivalry, but there's little point in the "my car's better than yours.." threads ('cos we all know the answer's Italian, don't we.. )
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C'mon chaps - there's plenty of legitimate targets out there. Novas, Saxos, Corsas, basically anything with less than 180bhp is not worth the effort. (ooo - damn, that includes 20v NAs)
I think many of us would admit to a bit of a desire for a well-modded Impreza. I for one still think the P1 is gorgeous, and would gladly give up my Coupe for one. Same goes for the 22b and the RB5. I think the Subaru styling committee have committed a grave error with the new shape, but thats my opinion and I'm entitled to it.
We should be nurturing worthwhile inter-forum relationships, not reinforcing the preconceived ideas that Coupe owners belong with the aforementioned Novas, Saxos etc.
I think anyone that's intent on posting on other boards ought to consider that they will be effectively representing the rest of us in the eyes of the other board's members. The mods on here work bloody hard to keep things approximately the right side of half-decent - don't undo their work in a hasty post elsewhere. No favours done for us on Scoobynet today.
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I think many of us would admit to a bit of a desire for a well-modded Impreza. I for one still think the P1 is gorgeous, and would gladly give up my Coupe for one. Same goes for the 22b and the RB5. I think the Subaru styling committee have committed a grave error with the new shape, but thats my opinion and I'm entitled to it.
We should be nurturing worthwhile inter-forum relationships, not reinforcing the preconceived ideas that Coupe owners belong with the aforementioned Novas, Saxos etc.
I think anyone that's intent on posting on other boards ought to consider that they will be effectively representing the rest of us in the eyes of the other board's members. The mods on here work bloody hard to keep things approximately the right side of half-decent - don't undo their work in a hasty post elsewhere. No favours done for us on Scoobynet today.
Rant over
16 February 2004, 09:19 PM
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Where is 280bhp coming from cause the 20vt is nothing like that. Even the plus doesn't have more power form memory? I assume this is your own modded example?
16 February 2004, 09:21 PM
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As I said earlier its all about compromise. You can't play the 280bhp for under £6k card unless you want to open yourself up to the pulsar and nova boys or early shagged WRX RA's. With that budget I could chuck £4k at my pug, I'm pretty sure with a super charger I could take its 3.0 lump from 194 to nicely above 300.........now there is a thought <gets sidetracked>
16 February 2004, 09:25 PM
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Sorry Nigel, just wanted to play with the older boys! 
But seriously, as some of you have noted - I am insane, the coupe is my tranquiliser - apologies for winding certain people up, I was just looking out for my beloved coupes.
I really rate the Scooby, in fact I've been tempted with one now and again - saw the real rally car in Wales and kinda fell in love (this is the point where I could mention it would be a great family car but I won't).
Anyway, no hard feelings. The FCCUK regularly plan events/rallies/track days, sometimes against other cars like the horrid classless 200sx (here I go again), so it could be good to have a coupe/daewoo day (sorry, I meant scooby ) to compare notes - although I don't think I'll race my lilac 20v NA. And yes, before you even pick me up on the colour - I do have gender issues, I'm trying to express my feminine side through the car, I've even taken to waving my shaved tackle at passing motorists - but despite this I still return to my dressing up box...well that's another post altogether!
I'm off to play with the chickens, bye for now!
But seriously, as some of you have noted - I am insane, the coupe is my tranquiliser - apologies for winding certain people up, I was just looking out for my beloved coupes.
I really rate the Scooby, in fact I've been tempted with one now and again - saw the real rally car in Wales and kinda fell in love (this is the point where I could mention it would be a great family car but I won't).
Anyway, no hard feelings. The FCCUK regularly plan events/rallies/track days, sometimes against other cars like the horrid classless 200sx (here I go again), so it could be good to have a coupe/daewoo day (sorry, I meant scooby
) to compare notes - although I don't think I'll race my lilac 20v NA. And yes, before you even pick me up on the colour - I do have gender issues, I'm trying to express my feminine side through the car, I've even taken to waving my shaved tackle at passing motorists - but despite this I still return to my dressing up box...well that's another post altogether!I'm off to play with the chickens, bye for now!
16 February 2004, 09:33 PM
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sa_20v .....go back to your Beanie Baby collection ,your boring me you twerp ! and I actually like Fiat 'coops' ,
16 February 2004, 09:52 PM
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All 20VTs are 220 as standard. Pluses and LEs just have trim differences and a six-speed box
280bhp (dyno'd) comes from a Supersprint exhaust, Novitec chip and a PBV set to 1.2 bar. Cheap, reliable mods. There's several owners at over 300, and Matt in South Africa is getting close to 400. (yup - I know - "scrabble wagon" springs to mind, but as big-power FWDs go, the Coupe is quite proficient - has a viscous coupling between the driveshafts stops the inside wheel lighting up).
JohnS is now posting 11 seconds 0-100, which should be a real eye opener even for a pretty well worked-on Impreza. Most lightly-modded Coupes run off the end of their 160mph clock. As standard, its geared for about 170ish at the redline. A few owners have hit the rev limiter in top, which is over 170.
Don't get us wrong - many of us drive Coupes because we like getting 150+mph for so few of our hard-earned pounds. We'd happily drive an Impreza if we had the money, but for now, we're quite happy being a stylish thorn in your saloon-car sides
Oh - and for SA - that was actually quite a grovelling apology
All 20VTs are 220 as standard. Pluses and LEs just have trim differences and a six-speed box
280bhp (dyno'd) comes from a Supersprint exhaust, Novitec chip and a PBV set to 1.2 bar. Cheap, reliable mods. There's several owners at over 300, and Matt in South Africa is getting close to 400. (yup - I know - "scrabble wagon" springs to mind, but as big-power FWDs go, the Coupe is quite proficient - has a viscous coupling between the driveshafts stops the inside wheel lighting up).
JohnS is now posting 11 seconds 0-100, which should be a real eye opener even for a pretty well worked-on Impreza. Most lightly-modded Coupes run off the end of their 160mph clock. As standard, its geared for about 170ish at the redline. A few owners have hit the rev limiter in top, which is over 170.
Don't get us wrong - many of us drive Coupes because we like getting 150+mph for so few of our hard-earned pounds. We'd happily drive an Impreza if we had the money, but for now, we're quite happy being a stylish thorn in your saloon-car sides
Oh - and for SA - that was actually quite a grovelling apology
16 February 2004, 09:58 PM
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Nigel I wouldn't bother with the Impreza unless you need the AWD, when I bought my Impreza it was a straight toss up between the 20VT or Impreza. I had to go for practicality and every day useability rather than styling and flair. So I chose the Impreza, a great all round car but I still prefer the Fiat Turbo Coupe as a fast fun car that feels special.
17 February 2004, 08:03 AM
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For a petrol-head, half the battle is the sound as well. Againm the Fiat can't compete
I nearly bought a 20vt before my 1st scoob - no doubt it was quicker when rolling, loads nicer inside (couldn't see the outside when sat in luckily
) but was worried about the depreciation. Ended up depreciating slower than the Scoob
17 February 2004, 09:38 AM
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I used to work with a guy who had a coupe. When I bought my scooby (std uk classic a couple of years ago), when I was a very unskilled driver, we went for a blast in around the local 'county-type' roads on a damp autumn evening. I would say that he was a pretty good driver, having owned his coupe from new.
All I can say is that I almost smashed into him a few times - thats how much he had to slow down (v. nice brembos, mind). Yes, in a straight line the coupe is very fast. Add a few bends and some rain and it's good bye Larry!
Now my classic is beyond standard and I have learnt how to drive the car I can't imagine being troubled by any coupe (unless in the hands of schumacher!) on a b-road in typical UK weather.
Also, what's with the crappy turning circle? The aforementioned guy always had to reverse to take a right hand turn at the mini-roundabout (PMSL!).
Nice cars, but I'd rather get a Supra that actually looks good (if you want to talk about looks) and non-hairdressery and a real straightline weapon.
PS - there are some seriously good track drivers on here and I am sure they'd be more than happy to meet your boys at the track...
All I can say is that I almost smashed into him a few times - thats how much he had to slow down (v. nice brembos, mind). Yes, in a straight line the coupe is very fast. Add a few bends and some rain and it's good bye Larry!
Now my classic is beyond standard and I have learnt how to drive the car I can't imagine being troubled by any coupe (unless in the hands of schumacher!) on a b-road in typical UK weather.
Also, what's with the crappy turning circle? The aforementioned guy always had to reverse to take a right hand turn at the mini-roundabout (PMSL!).
Nice cars, but I'd rather get a Supra that actually looks good (if you want to talk about looks) and non-hairdressery and a real straightline weapon.
PS - there are some seriously good track drivers on here and I am sure they'd be more than happy to meet your boys at the track...
17 February 2004, 04:00 PM
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When rolling probably not a million miles off the pace to be honest John. If we assume 5.5s to 60mph (not going to be much better fwd without slicks) then we have a 60-100mph time of 5.5s which is very fast - perhaps enough to give your car a little fright?? Realistically as an alround package a scooby that does 100 in 11s is going to be so much faster than an 11s coupe. Putting that power down is not going to be easy at all and then try putting it down in the coupe
17 February 2004, 04:09 PM
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Saxo Boy - how do you make your argument stack up? It sounds like a whole series of sweeping generalisations to me....?
Eg - surely you have to factor in 4wd tranmission losses, torque/power curves, gear ratios, weight etc to find out which wil go to 100 quickest? It's not a simple 'my car has 4wd, so will beat any 2wd car as it has more traction' argument.
Eg - surely you have to factor in 4wd tranmission losses, torque/power curves, gear ratios, weight etc to find out which wil go to 100 quickest? It's not a simple 'my car has 4wd, so will beat any 2wd car as it has more traction' argument.
17 February 2004, 04:42 PM
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Boss what the hell are you on about? 4wd, torque/power, gear ratios are all components of an equation that would tell us what the 0-100 time of a car is. If you read my post you'll notice that we know what the 0-100 time is of each car in our example. If you have a scooby that does 0-100 mph in 11s when driving flat out vs a 20vt coupe that does 0-100mph in 11s when driven flat out then I assure you that the coupe WILL be faster in the 60-100mph increment - either that or somehow its matching a 400+bhp 4wd scooby off the line with just fwd (unlikely!).
The point I was making however is that in the real world you'd do very well (other than coming out of a gasto camera on a motorway at a 70mph rolling start) to keep up with an 11s scooby in an 11s coupe. Scooby owners with that kind of power have reported difficulties in putting the power down in twisty roads and thats with 4 wheels trying to put power on the road. Good luck controlling an 11s coupe on anything other than a straight road when trying to keep up with a similarly fast scooby.
4wd is ONLY useful off the line or coming out of a bend where traction would otherwise be an issue - with anything over 300bhp in a fwd I assure you traction is an issue!!!
The point I was making however is that in the real world you'd do very well (other than coming out of a gasto camera on a motorway at a 70mph rolling start) to keep up with an 11s scooby in an 11s coupe. Scooby owners with that kind of power have reported difficulties in putting the power down in twisty roads and thats with 4 wheels trying to put power on the road. Good luck controlling an 11s coupe on anything other than a straight road when trying to keep up with a similarly fast scooby.
4wd is ONLY useful off the line or coming out of a bend where traction would otherwise be an issue - with anything over 300bhp in a fwd I assure you traction is an issue!!!
17 February 2004, 07:49 PM
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Kenny, 60-100 was 4.6 with two gearchanges on the way as would happen on a 0-100, quicker if you just do it in one gear.
On a demanding or wet surface this does sometimes struggle for traction, it is not until you are over 100 that you need not worry about traction.
There are Fiat Coupe claims of sub 4 second 0-60, tyres not specified.
They are both nice cars, neither quick in standard form. Scooby AWD is not the total advantage sometimes implied, and the Coupe doesn't magically out accelerate everything once rolling just because it is FWD.
On a demanding or wet surface this does sometimes struggle for traction, it is not until you are over 100 that you need not worry about traction.
There are Fiat Coupe claims of sub 4 second 0-60, tyres not specified.
They are both nice cars, neither quick in standard form. Scooby AWD is not the total advantage sometimes implied, and the Coupe doesn't magically out accelerate everything once rolling just because it is FWD.