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17 February 2004, 08:22 PM
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I love both but have gone off buying a Scoob as they seem to be getting a bit of an image problem, I am not that bothered but the ammount of **** I see driving them round Manchester is scary, never used to be the case and its a shame. There are not enough of the Fiat Coupe's around to generate that image and the ******* dont seem all that interested (plus the group 19 insurance), to be honest I want something that goes a bit but I am not going to get worried about tenths of seconds to sixty, being able to corner 10 mph quicker, I am not a racing driver and not saving a few seconds on my journey will allow me to savour it longer. I still think the Coupe is one of the best looking cars ever but can understand why its a love it or loathe it car.
17 February 2004, 08:55 PM
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Now this is the kind of inter-forum chat that marks the Coupe forum and ScoobyNet above some others. Level headedness, and an acceptance of other car's plus points (as well as a reminder of their weak points)
As for an Impreza beating a Coop down damp B roads - I should bloody think so! Not really much of a scalp there. Bit like Coop drivers claiming an Impreza scalp down a dead straight motorway.
As for the noise - I agree, the 16 valve Coupes are just ordinary straight fours, and sound like it. However, when you consider its the Integrale engine, I think we can safely assume that its not just any old four-pot.
As for the five cylinders, the noise they make is as distinctive as the Scooby, but in its own way. A drilled airbox makes for a wonderful induction roar (as well as a few bhp for at the top end and a few ft-lb less torque at the bottom end). Imagine an Audi Quattro turbo with K&Ns and you're somewhere close.
The crappy turning circle is down to the slightly shallow wheelarches needed to get the inline five cylinder inbetween the suspension turrets. Its a right pain round mini islands, and as the handbrake is sh1te beyond belief, we don't even have the option of using that
As for an 11sec Scooby versus an 11 sec Coop, I reckon it would go like this:
0-10 - Scooby's doing 10, Coop's still standing still (but front wheels are doing 30 )
10-40 Scooby still pulling away, but Coop's changed into second now and finally found some grip.
40-75 About even - Coop's only just changed out of second - dunno how many gears a Scoob's used.
75-100. Coop's aerodynamics and decent transmission losses start to have a greater effect, and the two cars cross the line together. Coop is still in third gear (just).
If the exercise is continued, the Coop would probably edge away until one or other of us ran into the limiter (about 170+ in a standard-geared 5 speed Coupe, probably a few mph up on that in a six-speed).
I think we've agreed that each car has its forte and will edge the other in its own specialist area. I for one would never take on a Scooby on any damp road that didn't have more than one lane. Having said that, I had a very decent spat with an enthusiastically-driven P1 on the A14 in Northamptonshire. Long swoopy dual carriageway at 150+ something or others. I wouldn't say I trounced him, but I certainly beat him. But I'm not blinkered enough to think that if it had been wet and there had been an roundabout or two in the way, the story wouldn't have been a bit different.
If anyone fancies a bit more Coop-education, we're hoping to put a small team together for TOTB III. Quarters at low 13s and 150+ at the 1.2 mile mark won't see us winning any pots, but we would have been about halfway up the board at TOTB II.
As for an Impreza beating a Coop down damp B roads - I should bloody think so! Not really much of a scalp there. Bit like Coop drivers claiming an Impreza scalp down a dead straight motorway.
As for the noise - I agree, the 16 valve Coupes are just ordinary straight fours, and sound like it. However, when you consider its the Integrale engine, I think we can safely assume that its not just any old four-pot.
As for the five cylinders, the noise they make is as distinctive as the Scooby, but in its own way. A drilled airbox makes for a wonderful induction roar (as well as a few bhp for at the top end and a few ft-lb less torque at the bottom end). Imagine an Audi Quattro turbo with K&Ns and you're somewhere close.
The crappy turning circle is down to the slightly shallow wheelarches needed to get the inline five cylinder inbetween the suspension turrets. Its a right pain round mini islands, and as the handbrake is sh1te beyond belief, we don't even have the option of using that
As for an 11sec Scooby versus an 11 sec Coop, I reckon it would go like this:
0-10 - Scooby's doing 10, Coop's still standing still (but front wheels are doing 30
)10-40 Scooby still pulling away, but Coop's changed into second now and finally found some grip.
40-75 About even - Coop's only just changed out of second - dunno how many gears a Scoob's used.
75-100. Coop's aerodynamics and decent transmission losses start to have a greater effect, and the two cars cross the line together. Coop is still in third gear (just).
If the exercise is continued, the Coop would probably edge away until one or other of us ran into the limiter (about 170+ in a standard-geared 5 speed Coupe, probably a few mph up on that in a six-speed).
I think we've agreed that each car has its forte and will edge the other in its own specialist area. I for one would never take on a Scooby on any damp road that didn't have more than one lane. Having said that, I had a very decent spat with an enthusiastically-driven P1 on the A14 in Northamptonshire. Long swoopy dual carriageway at 150+ something or others. I wouldn't say I trounced him, but I certainly beat him. But I'm not blinkered enough to think that if it had been wet and there had been an roundabout or two in the way, the story wouldn't have been a bit different.
If anyone fancies a bit more Coop-education, we're hoping to put a small team together for TOTB III. Quarters at low 13s and 150+ at the 1.2 mile mark won't see us winning any pots, but we would have been about halfway up the board at TOTB II.
That is so brutally fast 
18 February 2004, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by juan
How much faster?
I reckon they both do around 11 seconds
I reckon they both do around 11 seconds
18 February 2004, 11:42 PM
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You can't play the 280bhp for under £6k card unless you want to open yourself up to the pulsar and nova boys
Silly me
20 February 2004, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Saxo Boy
Stop being pedantic juan its not big and its not clever. You know exactly what I mean
I can't understand how you can say one 11 second car is SO much faster than another 11 second car.
Maybe on your favourite rally stage if it includes a standing start, hairpins, rain and gravel but thats about it.
On any normal road they won't be far apart, and the order you seem to expect may even be reversed unless they have to come to a standstill every minute or two to give the scoob chance to catch up with its superior standing start
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20 February 2004, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by juan
and so speaks the unexperienced 
I think both are great cars and don't see why anyone need to get worked up about it. I like cars - full stop - a Punto is a good car in the same way a Fiesta is a good car - they are just different.
No need to call me a dipshi*te or whatever you called me - it is not primary 1 name calling time.
20 February 2004, 05:10 PM
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sorry bud but I stand by my original line that you need to chill.
All I did was question how one 11 second car could be 'so much faster' than another 11 second car (not my claims) and in return you quote me and start with the expletives. Not a very nice reply.
I'm not getting worked up about either of the cars, just picked up on the nasty reply.
All I did was question how one 11 second car could be 'so much faster' than another 11 second car (not my claims) and in return you quote me and start with the expletives. Not a very nice reply.
I'm not getting worked up about either of the cars, just picked up on the nasty reply.
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20 February 2004, 05:13 PM
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Apologies if you believe I was referring to you. When I post a message it automatically quotes the previous message - I just had not removed it.
It was the debate I was questioning.
It was the debate I was questioning.
20 February 2004, 05:16 PM
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Thats ok then.
Most quotes i see are deliberate hence my thinking it was aimed at my question somehow.
I retract my earlier primary 1 name calling
Most quotes i see are deliberate hence my thinking it was aimed at my question somehow.
I retract my earlier primary 1 name calling
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20 February 2004, 05:27 PM
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My point is quite simply that an 11s scooby can usually accelerate at the rate required to achieve such a time in most of its gears including exits from corners. An 11s coupe will not be able to accelerate at the rate required to achieve that time as often simply because if it was in 2nd gear and you floored it there would be wheelspin, probably the same in 3rd!! On exiting corners it would be (irrespective of handing) far slower to get back on the power and so on. All this would add up to two 11s vehicles that would be identical in a 0-100mph race but where more normal roads with corners, etc are involved one will be far less able to access its power. IMHO.
20 February 2004, 05:38 PM
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ok I see a little more clearly now. I can't talk for the 11 seconders not having been in either. but with our more standard 280BHP type stuff wheelspin is not an issue in any gear except 1st (well thats all I've manged to get it in - do see stories of peeps getting it in 3rd. **** knows how, unless you're actually trying to do it)
I had many more hairy moments with wheelspin in my jap AWD than the coupe. Fine in the dry (sub 5sec 0-60 etc.). Just too much in the wet. The coupe actually outhandled it in the wet easy.
I had many more hairy moments with wheelspin in my jap AWD than the coupe. Fine in the dry (sub 5sec 0-60 etc.). Just too much in the wet. The coupe actually outhandled it in the wet easy.
20 February 2004, 07:04 PM
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[QUOTE=NigelO]
If anyone fancies a bit more Coop-education, we're hoping to put a small team together for TOTB III. Quarters at low 13s [QUOTE]
Low 13s??? I went to Santa Pod with one of your modded coupes and they were struggling in 14 and 15s. The fastest coupe time I have seen on your forum is a snip under 13.8secs for a v modded coupe @York.
If anyone fancies a bit more Coop-education, we're hoping to put a small team together for TOTB III. Quarters at low 13s [QUOTE]
Low 13s??? I went to Santa Pod with one of your modded coupes and they were struggling in 14 and 15s. The fastest coupe time I have seen on your forum is a snip under 13.8secs for a v modded coupe @York.
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20 February 2004, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by juan
ok I see a little more clearly now. I can't talk for the 11 seconders not having been in either. but with our more standard 280BHP type stuff wheelspin is not an issue in any gear except 1st (well thats all I've manged to get it in - do see stories of peeps getting it in 3rd. **** knows how, unless you're actually trying to do it)
I had many more hairy moments with wheelspin in my jap AWD than the coupe. Fine in the dry (sub 5sec 0-60 etc.). Just too much in the wet. The coupe actually outhandled it in the wet easy.
I had many more hairy moments with wheelspin in my jap AWD than the coupe. Fine in the dry (sub 5sec 0-60 etc.). Just too much in the wet. The coupe actually outhandled it in the wet easy.
20 February 2004, 07:30 PM
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Wow, what is the rpm and corresponding boost at 60mph in 6th?? Surely she can't be making much boost leaving me to conclude that the bigger capacity is making a massive difference
20 February 2004, 07:48 PM
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2500 RPM and 1 bar at 60 mph. By 3000 RPM it is making similar output to what a standard car makes at its peak. This is not captured on the RR graph because the load is not turned on as on the road. It does show up on the road dyno plots.
20 February 2004, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by sa_20v
THEY DON'T RATTLE - PERIOD! I have owned two at the same time and neither rattled!
The Scooby is certainly more unreliable than the coup and finally, if you're talking about modding - check out forum.fccuk.org, there you'll find coupes with 400BHP, ones with blue-printed engines, cars that have had 40k of work and some that do 0-60 in under 4.3 seconds with ease!
Suburu owners are proving as pathetic as their cars!
I have owned two at the same time and neither rattled!The Scooby is certainly more unreliable than the coup and finally, if you're talking about modding - check out forum.fccuk.org, there you'll find coupes with 400BHP, ones with blue-printed engines, cars that have had 40k of work and some that do 0-60 in under 4.3 seconds with ease!
Suburu owners are proving as pathetic as their cars!
Skoosh - scoob owner and still on the road.
20 February 2004, 10:42 PM
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QUOTE BOB'5 - "Low 13s??? I went to Santa Pod with one of your modded coupes and they were struggling in 14 and 15s"
So were the two E46 M3's and they had traction control and RWD. As you well know, Santa Pod in January is like an oily ice rink, even you were getting some silly wheelspin with 4WD.
Give us a decent level of traction and low 13s are quite possible.
JohnS has timed his 0-100 at 11 seconds, which is exactly the same as my 355 (which has done a 13.3 at the Pod).
So were the two E46 M3's and they had traction control and RWD. As you well know, Santa Pod in January is like an oily ice rink, even you were getting some silly wheelspin with 4WD.
Give us a decent level of traction and low 13s are quite possible.
JohnS has timed his 0-100 at 11 seconds, which is exactly the same as my 355 (which has done a 13.3 at the Pod).