Getting sick of these untaxed, uninsured, unlicensed asylum seekers in town.
18 February 2004, 11:49 AM
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NACRO - you may be right. But equally PG *might* be telling the truth. I'm just trying to take a balanced view. People are feeling 'invaded'. Whether it's a fact or not. I don't see how name calling gives anyone the moral high ground, whichever 'side' they are on.
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18 February 2004, 11:49 AM
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But who makes that decision, Kyl??? Surely thats what happens already. If you don't deserve to migrate into this country, you are rejected, if you don't have good reason for benefits, you don't get it. Now, how the system works to make these decisions is up for discussion regularly in government.
btw, I am unemployed currently after being made redundant....I'm so grateful for the state giving me my £52/week...well worth sponging I can tell you.
btw, I am unemployed currently after being made redundant....I'm so grateful for the state giving me my £52/week...well worth sponging I can tell you.
18 February 2004, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Dracoro
How do you tell whether someone is an ayslum seeker?
Getting sick of this racist terminology regarding 'asylum seekers'. No one in their right mind would have anything against this country housing genuine asylum seekers. Illegal or economic migrants are ANOTHER matter entirely. IMO, it's our (by 'our' I mean the EU and other stable countries around the globe) DUTY to help ayslum seekers. As I just said, economic/illegal migration is a separate issue. The problem is made worse as many of these pose as asylum seekers and are abusing the system put down to help people in genuine need.
Getting sick of this racist terminology regarding 'asylum seekers'. No one in their right mind would have anything against this country housing genuine asylum seekers. Illegal or economic migrants are ANOTHER matter entirely. IMO, it's our (by 'our' I mean the EU and other stable countries around the globe) DUTY to help ayslum seekers. As I just said, economic/illegal migration is a separate issue. The problem is made worse as many of these pose as asylum seekers and are abusing the system put down to help people in genuine need.
18 February 2004, 11:53 AM
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No I wouldn't class myself as a racist I admit that I am right wing, and I also have no problem with genuine asylum seekers.
I just have a problem with economic migrants coming to take the system for every penny going, just the same as I have a problem with parents which continue to have 5 or so children when they don't have a job and live there life of the dole.
If that makes me a racist so be it but I would rather have more people who have strong views and are willing to work to better themselves then to have people which may work hard themselves want to let people in and steal from the hardworking tax payer.
I am also fed up with the only action being more paperwork or somecrap which just costs more money and only hides the issue rather then dealing with it.
If immigration continues at its current rate there will soon be a huge reaction from the country an increase in racial tensions and probably volitile situations as seen in the east.
However as you like to point out this is only my opinion and I have no physical facts to back it up.
I just have a problem with economic migrants coming to take the system for every penny going, just the same as I have a problem with parents which continue to have 5 or so children when they don't have a job and live there life of the dole.
If that makes me a racist so be it but I would rather have more people who have strong views and are willing to work to better themselves then to have people which may work hard themselves want to let people in and steal from the hardworking tax payer.
I am also fed up with the only action being more paperwork or somecrap which just costs more money and only hides the issue rather then dealing with it.
If immigration continues at its current rate there will soon be a huge reaction from the country an increase in racial tensions and probably volitile situations as seen in the east.
However as you like to point out this is only my opinion and I have no physical facts to back it up.
18 February 2004, 11:55 AM
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Funny how no-one ever admits to being a racist isn't it....just once I want someone to stand up here and put it in writing, then follow it up with there opinions and what they would like to do.....
18 February 2004, 11:57 AM
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Brendan: My wife's oriental as well, although not with such a cool background 
It really, really annoys me when people do the same to her as you described ...
... but then I guess we really deserve it, because we're both immigrant scum anyway, here to suck the country dry of all the money we can get for free, drive uninsured cars and take advantage of the benefits system
It really, really annoys me when people do the same to her as you described ...... but then I guess we really deserve it, because we're both immigrant scum anyway, here to suck the country dry of all the money we can get for free, drive uninsured cars and take advantage of the benefits system
18 February 2004, 12:00 PM
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If you would like to tell me what you define as a racist, i will tell you whether i am a racist.
I believe that a Racist is somebody who acts on their hatred for another race, either by verbal or physical abuse.
If you would like to tell me what you define as a racist, i will tell you whether i am a racist.
I believe that a Racist is somebody who acts on their hatred for another race, either by verbal or physical abuse.
18 February 2004, 12:02 PM
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I find it interesting that the two people who are so quick to play the race card are both ex-pats.
18 February 2004, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveLegacyToo
But who makes that decision, Kyl??? Surely thats what happens already. If you don't deserve to migrate into this country, you are rejected, if you don't have good reason for benefits, you don't get it. Now, how the system works to make these decisions is up for discussion regularly in government.
btw, I am unemployed currently after being made redundant....I'm so grateful for the state giving me my £52/week...well worth sponging I can tell you.
btw, I am unemployed currently after being made redundant....I'm so grateful for the state giving me my £52/week...well worth sponging I can tell you.
However I'm sure you don't spend all your money on drugs and alcohol, and I'm sure you're actively seeking employment (well I'm not sure, but I would think). I don't pay my extortionate taxes to have thieving scumbags blow my money on wasting their life away! As I said, there are grey areas, and I'm not going to say to you 'get out of our country' for being uneployed, but you must agree that there are people out there who don't deserve the right to claim benefits!
18 February 2004, 12:06 PM
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Kyl, there are cases where people screw the system, and process should be in place to track and prevent it, but it's the same mind-set as bogus compensation claims, inflated insurance claims etc.
The sentiment in the original post was, he's clearly an Asylum seeker, therefore he is 'bogus' therefore a scum.
The sentiment in the original post was, he's clearly an Asylum seeker, therefore he is 'bogus' therefore a scum.
18 February 2004, 12:06 PM
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these asylum seekers are doing wrong and are getting away with it because the are asylum seekers.
I dont consider myself to be racist, i have friends who are African, Iraqi, Chinese and Indian. Even they are annoyed at asylum seekers breaking the law now.
Im right wing. But i dont take kindly to leaches coming to this country and taking from what us tax payers put into the country, and not following the law. They get off offences so easily as well because they play the race card.
Its all fecked up thanks to these damn hippy do gooders.
I dont consider myself to be racist, i have friends who are African, Iraqi, Chinese and Indian. Even they are annoyed at asylum seekers breaking the law now.
Im right wing. But i dont take kindly to leaches coming to this country and taking from what us tax payers put into the country, and not following the law. They get off offences so easily as well because they play the race card.
Its all fecked up thanks to these damn hippy do gooders.
18 February 2004, 12:06 PM
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But why do you go on about Scoobynet being a hive of racist scum?
Unfortunately there will be more and more people in this country with Poor Guys views the longer the government's lax attitude to illegal immigrants continues.
People have had enough of paying high tax on money they have worked to earn for it just to go to illegal immigrants and paying for them to live while they wait to have their applications turned down and be chucked out.
I am not defending nor attacking Poor Guys comments as its case of having to have been there to ascertain whether he had reason to make such a bold statement about the other driver.
This country's population is slowly climbing to boiling point on the way we let anyone and everyone in to claim benefits. And rightly so in my opinion as it has to stop. Like I have said before - lock the ******* doors now and sort out our own people before we help anyone else who has not contributed in anyway to our society. I dont care whether they are white/black/orange or flaming purple ffs - dont let anymore in until they have passed strict immigration applications such as being highly qulaified and skilled etc in an industry we are short of staff in.
Unfortunately there will be more and more people in this country with Poor Guys views the longer the government's lax attitude to illegal immigrants continues.
People have had enough of paying high tax on money they have worked to earn for it just to go to illegal immigrants and paying for them to live while they wait to have their applications turned down and be chucked out.
I am not defending nor attacking Poor Guys comments as its case of having to have been there to ascertain whether he had reason to make such a bold statement about the other driver.
This country's population is slowly climbing to boiling point on the way we let anyone and everyone in to claim benefits. And rightly so in my opinion as it has to stop. Like I have said before - lock the ******* doors now and sort out our own people before we help anyone else who has not contributed in anyway to our society. I dont care whether they are white/black/orange or flaming purple ffs - dont let anymore in until they have passed strict immigration applications such as being highly qulaified and skilled etc in an industry we are short of staff in.
18 February 2004, 12:09 PM
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i think everyone has the potential to be racist - it's just a reaction against the unknown. the other day i was having an argument with a woman who picks up some kids from the house across the road. every evening she pulls up outside the house and starts blasting her horn. not just a bit of a toot, she sits there giving it sh*t loads. i got annoyed with this and went out to ask her why she didn't either ring the doorbell or give them a quick buzz on the mobile. i got a load of shouting and arm waving and gesticulating. it entered my head to say "you're not in f***ing Baghdad now, you know" but of course i didn't. she still honks her horn, but for some reason it doesn't bother me now that i have said my bit.
18 February 2004, 12:10 PM
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High taxes??? I'm pretty sure that we are pretty lowly taxed in European terms.
The bigger problem in the future will be the ageing population, we are about to hit the point where for every 2.5 people employed there will be one person drawing a pension, and if the state is to provide a decent income for them, then tax will have to rise loads.
I would like to see the costs attributed to asylum processing and support, and as a proportion of GDP.
The bigger problem in the future will be the ageing population, we are about to hit the point where for every 2.5 people employed there will be one person drawing a pension, and if the state is to provide a decent income for them, then tax will have to rise loads.
I would like to see the costs attributed to asylum processing and support, and as a proportion of GDP.
18 February 2004, 12:11 PM
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There are too many uninsured drivers on the road, full stop.
Being English, Irish, Romanian etc does not make any difference. What ever nationality you are you need to comply with the laws of the land (whichever land) (except for speeding of course?). Wasnt there a case this week of some one with no licence, no insurance and no clue killing a pregnant mother then doing a bunk?
STEVE.................
Being English, Irish, Romanian etc does not make any difference. What ever nationality you are you need to comply with the laws of the land (whichever land) (except for speeding of course?). Wasnt there a case this week of some one with no licence, no insurance and no clue killing a pregnant mother then doing a bunk?
STEVE.................
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18 February 2004, 12:12 PM
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unclebuck (RE invasion): Do you think that's because the media keeps hyping the problem up?
Maybe it's like in the United States, where the media has made every rightful American (Ie, White American) scared of being assaulted/robbed/etc by black people, when in fact most crime is commited by white people, against white people?
If the media keeps writing stories on how this and that asylum seeker claims benefits and has 18 children bla bla people (the dumb mass) are going to think that every asylum seeker does the same.... On the other hand, I'm sure that e.g. the Sun will not write a huge story about the asylum seekers who actually do *not* claim benefits and work long hours to support themselves, because it doesn't sell news papers....
Three of my colleagues, out of a total of six, are muslim and were not born in this country. They don't claim any benefits at all, but work long hard hours to support themselves and their families, but maybe it's easier to generalize wildly?
Maybe it's like in the United States, where the media has made every rightful American (Ie, White American) scared of being assaulted/robbed/etc by black people, when in fact most crime is commited by white people, against white people?
If the media keeps writing stories on how this and that asylum seeker claims benefits and has 18 children bla bla people (the dumb mass) are going to think that every asylum seeker does the same.... On the other hand, I'm sure that e.g. the Sun will not write a huge story about the asylum seekers who actually do *not* claim benefits and work long hours to support themselves, because it doesn't sell news papers....
Three of my colleagues, out of a total of six, are muslim and were not born in this country. They don't claim any benefits at all, but work long hard hours to support themselves and their families, but maybe it's easier to generalize wildly?
18 February 2004, 12:12 PM
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Oh and in that case Steve by your definition I am racist and so is most of the country ffs. I work in an office with people of all different skin colours including my boss who is black and if I was racist by my uinderstanding of the term I would hate anyone who was not the same colour as myself and I certainly wouldnt work for someone who was black 
I have friends of non white colour, I work with people of non white colour and I see them as I see myself. I support Arsenal as a football team and if I was racist then I certainly wouldn't be hailing Henry and Vierra as two of the greatest players in World football today - I would hate them and refuse to acknowlege their greatness on a football field purely because of their colour. So to me I am not racist thank you.
I have friends of non white colour, I work with people of non white colour and I see them as I see myself. I support Arsenal as a football team and if I was racist then I certainly wouldn't be hailing Henry and Vierra as two of the greatest players in World football today - I would hate them and refuse to acknowlege their greatness on a football field purely because of their colour. So to me I am not racist thank you.
18 February 2004, 12:12 PM
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The sentiment in the original post was, he's clearly an Asylum seeker, therefore he is 'bogus' therefore a scum.
18 February 2004, 12:13 PM
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Economic migrants are a potential real problem for not just the Uk but all the developed world. If anyone has seen the news recently, in respect of the EU then they will know what I'm talking about. This is not a race or asylum issue in my view. Its about quality of life.
If someone is racist (and I don't think anyone who has commented is) then that is another matter entirely and their own choice.
I think that really, people are just worried that their quality of life will be affected in some way
If someone is racist (and I don't think anyone who has commented is) then that is another matter entirely and their own choice.
I think that really, people are just worried that their quality of life will be affected in some way
18 February 2004, 12:21 PM
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A dictionary definition racist.
noun [C] (UK OLD-FASHIONED racialist) DISAPPROVING
someone who believes that other races are not as good as their own and therefore treats them unfairly:
interestingly, hatred is not mentioned. There's obviously a degree of how racist someone is, some take it so far that they hate others, some don't.
noun [C] (UK OLD-FASHIONED racialist) DISAPPROVING
someone who believes that other races are not as good as their own and therefore treats them unfairly:
interestingly, hatred is not mentioned. There's obviously a degree of how racist someone is, some take it so far that they hate others, some don't.
18 February 2004, 12:21 PM
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unclebuck (RE invasion): Do you think that's because the media keeps hyping the problem up?
Only this week they had to be 'forced' to take action by the media because, unlike every other member country, they had put no safeguards in place to prevent people coming here to take advantage of the benefits system when the EU is enlarged in May.
New Labour and Political Correctness in general are creating the atmosphere we are seeing around the country now, the media merely reflects this.
The solution? Vote the buggers out a.s.a.p.
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18 February 2004, 12:34 PM
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Steve, I for one feel that we are taxed out of existence, not just with council, car, income tax etc, but with all the stealth taxes we have to endure. I am only 22 so I don't claim to be the most expereinced to talk about taxes, but, with the risk of starting another arguement', I believe that every single person in the UK should pay exactly the same amount for the compulsory benfits, i.e., health service, refuse, and basically the general maintenance of our country, and then anything above and beyond this should be paid for by the individual. I think this would be a more fair way of taxing people, and would end this crap about various tax rates above certain salaries...why should high earners pay more than lesser!
18 February 2004, 12:38 PM
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I hate all forms of racism too, either towards ethnic minorities or towards native white Britons. We are all people regardless of the colour of our skins. It is a person's character which is important. One of the biggest dangers to us all is the attitude of the Roman sandal wearing PC brigade. That is what will really cause racial disharmony.
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18 February 2004, 12:41 PM
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B20, I think the issue is far more confused than that.
If Henrik's friends are working, legally or illegally, I would say that makes them a lot better and a lot more welcome than those people not working, legally or illegally.
The funny thing is (I can say, calming down a bit now) that the right wing aren't exactly sure who they're railing against. They say there are immigrants coming in and abusing the benefit system. In the last ?3 years, not more, the fashionable word is to call these people asylum seekers, usually with the word "bogus" in front of them. The Chinese cockle pickers were illegal. But they were working. Were they abusing the benefits system? I don't know. If they were, (raving lefty viewpoint approaching), then it was probably more to do with the fact that they weren't allowed to work while waiting for asylum (if they were applying for it). If they weren't, well OK, they got here illegally, but they weren't a drain on taxpayers' money, in fact they were contributing to the economy. There is high unemployment in the NW, but I am sure (risky) that Wayne and Waynetta Slob would far prefer to take cushy benefits and watch TV than go out cockle picking in the freezing cold. So I don't think the Chinese were "taking jobs from the locals", which is usually the next argument. So if they work they're damned, and if they don't work they're damned.
Previously on scoobynet we've had a few posts about "I'm sick of this country, what's the easiest way to get a work permit for Australia?" From some of the answers, the posters are being no better than the bogus asylum seekers they hate - they are trying to manipulate the system of another country to move towards a better quality of life. But they'll never see it that way.
So who is the target of the anger? The asylum seekers? The economic migrants? The benefit cheats? I think, if you take away the natural British distrust of foreigners (welcome to the island state mentality), the decent person is pissed off with the benefit cheats, they would not be so upset about the foreigners who come in and work hard. Fine, lets have a look at how many benefit cheats there are. And then tell me how many are British (Wayne and Waynetta) and how many are asylum seekers, or illegal immigrants. As Steve said, the number of asylum seekers / immigrants etc are pretty tiny compared to our lovely British populace.
Although it's pretty obvious that Poor Guy's first post was atrociously and xenophobically worded, I sympathise with and accept his justification that the police would not be allowed to run a campaign for targetting wrecks as it would be viewed as racist. For that, I have no answer (especially having just read Bonfire of the Vanities). But as you can all see, I have to put up with this **** every week, both on scoobynet and in real life, and I get pretty upset by it.
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If Henrik's friends are working, legally or illegally, I would say that makes them a lot better and a lot more welcome than those people not working, legally or illegally.
The funny thing is (I can say, calming down a bit now) that the right wing aren't exactly sure who they're railing against. They say there are immigrants coming in and abusing the benefit system. In the last ?3 years, not more, the fashionable word is to call these people asylum seekers, usually with the word "bogus" in front of them. The Chinese cockle pickers were illegal. But they were working. Were they abusing the benefits system? I don't know. If they were, (raving lefty viewpoint approaching), then it was probably more to do with the fact that they weren't allowed to work while waiting for asylum (if they were applying for it). If they weren't, well OK, they got here illegally, but they weren't a drain on taxpayers' money, in fact they were contributing to the economy. There is high unemployment in the NW, but I am sure (risky) that Wayne and Waynetta Slob would far prefer to take cushy benefits and watch TV than go out cockle picking in the freezing cold. So I don't think the Chinese were "taking jobs from the locals", which is usually the next argument. So if they work they're damned, and if they don't work they're damned.
Previously on scoobynet we've had a few posts about "I'm sick of this country, what's the easiest way to get a work permit for Australia?" From some of the answers, the posters are being no better than the bogus asylum seekers they hate - they are trying to manipulate the system of another country to move towards a better quality of life. But they'll never see it that way.
So who is the target of the anger? The asylum seekers? The economic migrants? The benefit cheats? I think, if you take away the natural British distrust of foreigners (welcome to the island state mentality), the decent person is pissed off with the benefit cheats, they would not be so upset about the foreigners who come in and work hard. Fine, lets have a look at how many benefit cheats there are. And then tell me how many are British (Wayne and Waynetta) and how many are asylum seekers, or illegal immigrants. As Steve said, the number of asylum seekers / immigrants etc are pretty tiny compared to our lovely British populace.
Although it's pretty obvious that Poor Guy's first post was atrociously and xenophobically worded, I sympathise with and accept his justification that the police would not be allowed to run a campaign for targetting wrecks as it would be viewed as racist. For that, I have no answer (especially having just read Bonfire of the Vanities). But as you can all see, I have to put up with this **** every week, both on scoobynet and in real life, and I get pretty upset by it.
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