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08 March 2004, 02:12 PM
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lol @ drac ,mate that sounds so pathetic 
hee hee
thats like me saying dracoro is gonna give birth to a child himself in his tummy and will come out of his **** or willie
u are mad
hee hee thats like me saying dracoro is gonna give birth to a child himself
in his tummy and will come out of his **** or willie u are mad
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of course he is omnipotent but what u are suggesting is silly
is like me saying u give birth to a kid yourself it sounds stupid
and also God is omipotent and someone asked me if he is he can create another God and that God was jesus his son or himself
i laughed and i said thats so stupid
how can God create another created, anything he creates is a creating thing so he cant create another uncreated
u know what i mean it sounds silly
but drac u made me laugh, nice one
is like me saying u give birth to a kid yourself
it sounds stupidand also God is omipotent and someone asked me if he is he can create another God and that God was jesus his son or himself
i laughed and i said thats so stupid
how can God create another created, anything he creates is a creating thing
so he cant create another uncreated u know what i mean it sounds silly
but drac u made me laugh, nice one
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Leslie,
Exactly the point I made earlier (maybe not in this thread, I cannot remember). Although I am no fan of organised religion, they are not bad per se, they just have bad people who use them to hide behind and further their cause.
The same is true of athiests like Stalin and Pol Pot, they are just evil people.
Religion serves no purpose but to give humans hope, because the human mind finds it difficult to accept that after death there is nothing.
'I think therefore I am' - we contemplate our own existence, no other creature on earth can do this, so they don't worry about what happens when they die, becasue they don't know what death (or indeed life) is! U bet that if anything else on this earth develops intelligence on a par with us, they will come up with creationist theories, but if we are around to witness it, we will be able to tell them they are wrong, because we have been here watching them evolve.
There was no one to tell us this!
Oh gawd, here we go again, another thread on God
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Exactly the point I made earlier (maybe not in this thread, I cannot remember). Although I am no fan of organised religion, they are not bad per se, they just have bad people who use them to hide behind and further their cause.
The same is true of athiests like Stalin and Pol Pot, they are just evil people.
Religion serves no purpose but to give humans hope, because the human mind finds it difficult to accept that after death there is nothing.
'I think therefore I am' - we contemplate our own existence, no other creature on earth can do this, so they don't worry about what happens when they die, becasue they don't know what death (or indeed life) is! U bet that if anything else on this earth develops intelligence on a par with us, they will come up with creationist theories, but if we are around to witness it, we will be able to tell them they are wrong, because we have been here watching them evolve.
There was no one to tell us this!
Oh gawd, here we go again, another thread on God
Geezer
Hello moo
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Moses,
I'm as close to being a Muslim as you are an atheist! Trust me.
No book or conversation could convince me to believe in anything so ridiculous as 'God'. No proof and no grounding, apart from a 'story' written thousands of years ago. A story so changed, translated and written into modern parlance as to be completely lost from the original.
As I said, there's more proof that aliens exist than there is of the existence of God. As stated earlier, animals and simpler life was here millions of years before us. Science de-bunked most religious theory years ago, only your 'blind' faith leads you to ignore most of this fact. Blind being the operative word. Because you are blind, blind to the real world around you.
Leslie. well put and I couldn't agree more. Except in one part.
I do feel that religious believers, whatever the faith, are weak.
Weak in the belief of their own humanity. As also stated earlier, some humans struggle with the thought of finality. You die. The end. Some minds NEED to feel that there is some purpose here, or what is the point?
Funny thing is.. there is no point.. we live and then we die.. why is this belief so scary? Where is the proof to the contrary?????
Religion caters well for that NEED, and hypocritically, has changed over the years to reflect the knowledge we have gathered. How long before gay marriage is advocated and written into the testaments?
My mother is not religious, she does not believe in God, but she BELEIVES that there is an afterlife that can be reached by mediums... she honestly believes that these people can talk to her mother and family. She's not mad or stupid. Her mind craves the need to know that the family members she loved are not gone, and that she will see them again.
This is another name for religion. Another kind of faith. All religions came out of the same NEED to find an answer, a theory to why we are here and what is the purpose?
All of it ridiculously unproven.
I'm as close to being a Muslim as you are an atheist! Trust me.
No book or conversation could convince me to believe in anything so ridiculous as 'God'. No proof and no grounding, apart from a 'story' written thousands of years ago. A story so changed, translated and written into modern parlance as to be completely lost from the original.
As I said, there's more proof that aliens exist than there is of the existence of God. As stated earlier, animals and simpler life was here millions of years before us. Science de-bunked most religious theory years ago, only your 'blind' faith leads you to ignore most of this fact. Blind being the operative word. Because you are blind, blind to the real world around you.
Leslie. well put and I couldn't agree more. Except in one part.
I do feel that religious believers, whatever the faith, are weak.
Weak in the belief of their own humanity. As also stated earlier, some humans struggle with the thought of finality. You die. The end. Some minds NEED to feel that there is some purpose here, or what is the point?
Funny thing is.. there is no point.. we live and then we die.. why is this belief so scary? Where is the proof to the contrary?????
Religion caters well for that NEED, and hypocritically, has changed over the years to reflect the knowledge we have gathered. How long before gay marriage is advocated and written into the testaments?
My mother is not religious, she does not believe in God, but she BELEIVES that there is an afterlife that can be reached by mediums... she honestly believes that these people can talk to her mother and family. She's not mad or stupid. Her mind craves the need to know that the family members she loved are not gone, and that she will see them again.
This is another name for religion. Another kind of faith. All religions came out of the same NEED to find an answer, a theory to why we are here and what is the purpose?
All of it ridiculously unproven.
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Moses, if your name sake took as long to deliver the Ten Commandments as you do your message, the Bible etc etc would still be a small parchment in some guys office!!
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lol @ richwalk
haha , i luv my name, named after the holy prophet musa aka moses, who brought down the superpower of his time with the grace of God, the pharoah was sorted out
and he liberated his people.
mate common names with muslim kids nowadays are moses and david, as in musa and daud, u know what i mean about king david story bring the enemy down with a stone feckin class.
i know of some lil girls called aqsa after the holy mosque of jerusalem
and alan your welcome to follow what u want , were going round circles mate, i hope u enjoy your monkiness , by the way which ones were your ancestors, chimps, gorillas or the orangutan
haha , i luv my name, named after the holy prophet musa aka moses, who brought down the superpower of his time with the grace of God, the pharoah was sorted out
and he liberated his people.mate common names with muslim kids nowadays are moses and david, as in musa and daud, u know what i mean about king david story bring the enemy down with a stone
feckin class.i know of some lil girls called aqsa after the holy mosque of jerusalem
and alan your welcome to follow what u want , were going round circles mate, i hope u enjoy your monkiness , by the way which ones were your ancestors, chimps, gorillas or the orangutan
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Moses.. we will always be going round in circles, so we agree on one thing!!
I'm still not sure how to take the Monkey thing... but if you want to believe I came from a monkey (?).. then you are lucky enough to be in a country that allows you do so.. rejoice in that my friend..
I'm still not sure how to take the Monkey thing... but if you want to believe I came from a monkey (?).. then you are lucky enough to be in a country that allows you do so.. rejoice in that my friend..
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lol dont quote me u are an athiet my friend and may God bless u and u do believe u are from a monkey, im not offending u , im just telling u the facts u believe in
and mate this is my country too, do u like making people feel ethnic or a minority , its these kinda comments that create hatred against the "whiteman" he cant stop his prejudice , its his burden, but im sure u didnt mean it that way just the way u have been brought up.
im just as uk as u are, i aint a brit but i am from the uk a place called scotland , my country
u are an athiet my friend and may God bless u and u do believe u are from a monkey, im not offending u , im just telling u the facts u believe inand mate this is my country too, do u like making people feel ethnic or a minority
, its these kinda comments that create hatred against the "whiteman" he cant stop his prejudice , its his burden, but im sure u didnt mean it that way just the way u have been brought up.im just as uk as u are, i aint a brit but i am from the uk a place called scotland , my country
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alan mate
our ancestors are cute pmsl
hee hee
**** mistake
above was better lets settle for this
thats uncle peter
our ancestors are cute pmsl
hee hee**** mistake
above was better lets settle for this
thats uncle peter
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08 March 2004, 10:23 PM
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My comment about you being 'lucky enough to be in a country' was chosen carefully because it is based on fact and not on your colour, religion or beliefs.
We ARE lucky enough to be in a country that allows free speech. What's that got to do with race? Did I mention race, colour or religion? Don't bring up a subject and attach it where it's not needed or wanted.
And why do you think I'm white? I've said nothing that has mentioned my colour. Just my beliefs. It is YOU that brought up race.. not me... so again.. you fall foul of you own prejudices you purport to detest.. you confuse me..
You try to walk such a careful path, but you always seem to trip up by IMPLYING certain things that are untrue.. again.. you FORCE your views on to us.. not once have you used reasoned debate to answer the questons posed... you simply state things, from your religious perspective..
I have not once abused you. You on the other hand have sworn, called me (and other people) names and threatened violence on one individual who questioned your use of the word 'Paki' in relation to yourself!
So, who is the one troubled by his nature and suroundings?
I am also happy and free enough to understand that humanity crawled from a DNA soup 3 Million years ago. Apes, our (and this does includes you) closest cousins split from this hereditry path by a random chance of nature...
So, is the picture below your Uncle Peter or mine? Looks more like my brother after a good night out.. but that's another story..
We ARE lucky enough to be in a country that allows free speech. What's that got to do with race? Did I mention race, colour or religion? Don't bring up a subject and attach it where it's not needed or wanted.
And why do you think I'm white? I've said nothing that has mentioned my colour. Just my beliefs. It is YOU that brought up race.. not me... so again.. you fall foul of you own prejudices you purport to detest.. you confuse me..
You try to walk such a careful path, but you always seem to trip up by IMPLYING certain things that are untrue.. again.. you FORCE your views on to us.. not once have you used reasoned debate to answer the questons posed... you simply state things, from your religious perspective..
I have not once abused you. You on the other hand have sworn, called me (and other people) names and threatened violence on one individual who questioned your use of the word 'Paki' in relation to yourself!
So, who is the one troubled by his nature and suroundings?
I am also happy and free enough to understand that humanity crawled from a DNA soup 3 Million years ago. Apes, our (and this does includes you) closest cousins split from this hereditry path by a random chance of nature...
So, is the picture below your Uncle Peter or mine? Looks more like my brother after a good night out.. but that's another story..
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Alan,
I certainly would not call religious believers weak. It takes quite some strength of character to follow a religion, or to try to follow its precepts at least. No one is perfect thank goodness! That is why religions teach that forgiveness is a good thing.
Everyone is entitled to follow their own consciences and beliefs in that respect, as is your own mother of course.
Les
I certainly would not call religious believers weak. It takes quite some strength of character to follow a religion, or to try to follow its precepts at least. No one is perfect thank goodness! That is why religions teach that forgiveness is a good thing.
Everyone is entitled to follow their own consciences and beliefs in that respect, as is your own mother of course.
Les
09 March 2004, 10:38 AM
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It takes quite some strength of character to follow a religion, or to try to follow its precepts at least.
09 March 2004, 01:06 PM
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lol alan we aint from MONKEYS
no no maybe u didnt mean it that way put the way u put it to me was U are lucky to be in this country, it didnt feel nice being told that now u said WE are lucky
well ok leave it at that only u know what way u meant it
and alan i never ever forced my view on anyone, i swear, i hope the vets here remember, i never ever started on the palestinian issue here in my life, their was a thread going back a yr ago and that was the first time i ever spoke about it, everyone was on about palestinians this and palestinians that and that was the first time i ever got involved. honest no bull
and the first time i ever came here was, alot of whites started attacking katana and turboman and it was about the asylum issue and it became a racist thread and thats when i got involved, ask uncle buck , it was the first time i ever posted in cew
mate i dont force views on anyone i give my views
and regarding the paki word, i dont mind my mates calling me that doesnt matter what colour they are, but i do hate others calling me that coz its a term used for racism, just ask dougster the mod we like calling each other names haha.
so to me a friend calling me a paki is cool , so thats the condition only a FRIEND
no no maybe u didnt mean it that way put the way u put it to me was U are lucky to be in this country, it didnt feel nice being told that now u said WE are lucky
well ok leave it at that only u know what way u meant it
and alan i never ever forced my view on anyone, i swear, i hope the vets here remember, i never ever started on the palestinian issue here in my life, their was a thread going back a yr ago and that was the first time i ever spoke about it, everyone was on about palestinians this and palestinians that and that was the first time i ever got involved. honest no bull
and the first time i ever came here was, alot of whites started attacking katana and turboman and it was about the asylum issue and it became a racist thread and thats when i got involved, ask uncle buck , it was the first time i ever posted in cew
mate i dont force views on anyone i give my views
and regarding the paki word, i dont mind my mates calling me that doesnt matter what colour they are, but i do hate others calling me that coz its a term used for racism, just ask dougster the mod we like calling each other names haha.
so to me a friend calling me a paki is cool , so thats the condition only a FRIEND
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Without wishing this to become another theological debate, can u please give your views on why a God would bother to have the world he/she created devoid of life for a billion years, then wait another 3 billion years before making any form of life with some sort of complexity, and then after all that, wait until about 2 to 3 million years ago to make humans.
Not only that, but the ungrateful humans that were created did not even acknowledge the existence of said creator until about 5 thousand years ago!
And create trillions of other stars and worlds, but only put life here. Would have been alot easier just to create the Sun and the Earth and then have the rest of eternity off, in a hot tub in heaven instead of the constant maintenance that the cosmos must need.
Geezer
Oh, and allow such misery in the wolrd and suicide bombers, just to kee it vaguely about the original subject matter
Not only that, but the ungrateful humans that were created did not even acknowledge the existence of said creator until about 5 thousand years ago!
And create trillions of other stars and worlds, but only put life here. Would have been alot easier just to create the Sun and the Earth and then have the rest of eternity off, in a hot tub in heaven instead of the constant maintenance that the cosmos must need.
Geezer
Oh, and allow such misery in the wolrd and suicide bombers, just to kee it vaguely about the original subject matter
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Out of interest, isn't the title of this thread slightly offensive to 'god'?
If I spent my time on painting, which I thought was the best thing and them someone said that it was 'fecked up', I'd be mightly p1ssed off! (But true because I am crap at drawing - lol!)
If I spent my time on painting, which I thought was the best thing and them someone said that it was 'fecked up', I'd be mightly p1ssed off! (But true because I am crap at drawing - lol!)
09 March 2004, 04:20 PM
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The world was one of gods f**k ups. I'm sure he's moved on and built better ones elsewhere. I reckon he looks back on this world and cringes and if anyone asks he softly whistles and says 'wasn't me guv', must've been the cat
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akshay bros i didnt mean it as the world is fecked up, i meant the people who live in this world ie like those politicians
lol geezer, of course, im not God i cant answer that once we die i will ask him for u or u can too
everything is their for a reason as the mountains and tree's are etc etc
lol @ drac no way mate , God is wonderful he made the earth a wonderful place and its the people who do crazy things but their are also good people who do good in this world
lol geezer, of course, im not God i cant answer that
once we die i will ask him for u or u can too everything is their for a reason as the mountains and tree's are etc etc
lol @ drac no way mate , God is wonderful he made the earth a wonderful place and its the people who do crazy things but their are also good people who do good in this world
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Geezer. Moses has invoked the standard religious 'get out clause'.
Only God knows the answers to your excellent questions..
So we'll just leave it there and I'll just believe and do what I'm told from whatever religious book I believe in and I'll answer those really awkward questions later.. when I'm dead.
That's really useful.
Those questions and religions inability / refusal to answer them, end all theological debate in an instant. What’s the point of debating semantics when religion can't answer the bigger searching questions?
Only God knows the answers to your excellent questions..
So we'll just leave it there and I'll just believe and do what I'm told from whatever religious book I believe in and I'll answer those really awkward questions later.. when I'm dead.
That's really useful.
Those questions and religions inability / refusal to answer them, end all theological debate in an instant. What’s the point of debating semantics when religion can't answer the bigger searching questions?
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alam thats so silly, how can i answer for lets say how a ducati is made, only the fecking creator knows and how do i answer how i can make viagra in the house or i will need help from the maker
so how can i answer whats in the other world and what everything is for
lol alan your a nutter
and also in the quran it says all these planets were together or something and God tore them asunder, so the big bang theory came from the quran not from the scientists., it was in the quran over 1400 yrs ago
like i said i cant answer about the planets only God can
so how can i answer whats in the other world and what everything is for
lol alan your a nutter
and also in the quran it says all these planets were together or something and God tore them asunder, so the big bang theory came from the quran not from the scientists., it was in the quran over 1400 yrs ago
like i said i cant answer about the planets only God can
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by the way alan u said u had an open mind u still aint read the books i gave u the links
will answer most your queries mate
and God bless
will answer most your queries mate
and God bless
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china to run out of woman soon
http://islamonline.net/English/News/...rticle06.shtml
thats a sad one, fecked up law they have, lets send the single asylum seeking woman their and they can marry the chinese men
thats a sad one, fecked up law they have, lets send the single asylum seeking woman their
and they can marry the chinese men
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LOL at "Monkey lights" Google advert
Moses, I do suspect you actually are a nice person, at the same time I do think you could to with some more "breathing" between posts
You also scare me a bit.
Yes, of course, me too I am now posting behind an anonymous ID, but that's got nothing to do with CEW etc., nor with "stirring".
OK, one little tidbit of info: Darwin never ever said we descended from the apes.
He did kinda suggest that we had a common ancestor.
Missing link anyone ?
I hope you can find it in your heart, after you have given up on the racist crowd - are they worth the aggro ? No - to read a bit more about what he said, not about what people say he alledgedly possibly may have said.
Hint: social Darwinism would have made Darwin puke.
No offence meant.
Moses, I do suspect you actually are a nice person, at the same time I do think you could to with some more "breathing" between posts
You also scare me a bit.Yes, of course, me too I am now posting behind an anonymous ID, but that's got nothing to do with CEW etc., nor with "stirring".
OK, one little tidbit of info: Darwin never ever said we descended from the apes.
He did kinda suggest that we had a common ancestor.
Missing link anyone ?
I hope you can find it in your heart, after you have given up on the racist crowd - are they worth the aggro ? No - to read a bit more about what he said, not about what people say he alledgedly possibly may have said.
Hint: social Darwinism would have made Darwin puke.
No offence meant.
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Moses, you can't just accept that everything is Gods will! What if u blow that thumping great engine in that Evo of yours? Is that his will, or is it simply because you over stressed it?
I would imagine you would believe the latter, so you are capable of applying logic to everyday situations. If so, how come you choose to give vague answers about how things will be answered after you die just because the subject matter is a little too 'against God'?
Does the Quran mention singularities? Inflation? Dark Matter etc?
Didn't someone add up all the lifespans of people in the bible (or the Quran, essentially the same thing), and it came to something like 7 thousand years? If u take the bible/Quran as gospel, then that still elaves open my previous question.
Please give me your honest view, you must have one.
Geezer
I would imagine you would believe the latter, so you are capable of applying logic to everyday situations. If so, how come you choose to give vague answers about how things will be answered after you die just because the subject matter is a little too 'against God'?
Does the Quran mention singularities? Inflation? Dark Matter etc?
Didn't someone add up all the lifespans of people in the bible (or the Quran, essentially the same thing), and it came to something like 7 thousand years? If u take the bible/Quran as gospel, then that still elaves open my previous question.
Please give me your honest view, you must have one.
Geezer
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lol somedude thats sad , first time anyone has ever called me scary, im the nicest dude u will ever meet, yeah im a lil extreme at times but not the bad way , and darwin was a monkey but he looked like one
mate majority of his theories have became untrue, but people still defend him
remember the pittsburgh monkey
jaw of an orangutan and the skull of a man
dyed to make it look old
and geezer mate, God didnt blow my engine, he has given me the free will to be an idiot and do fecked up things to my car , and i risk it all the time and i blew it coz of my own stupidity, i knew it was gonna happen but i went and did it, were not talking about this, were talking about his creation mate
and regarding thousands of yrs, nothing like that in the quran mate and when God talks about making the world in 6 days in the bible in the quran its 6 periods as in the proper arabic word means periods not days
and look at the creation in the quran and bible its totally different and also bible was true one time but people lost their teachings and invented some
and the word bible aint inthe bible its a greek work meaning book
take it from their
and ozon layer in the quran it says God created a barrier to protect the earth
u have to remember, quran aint a book of science, its a book of signs
if u go to this site mate, i aint no scientist but this guy is , read his books to and also has a new site dedicated to darwinsm
http://www.harunyahya.com/
http://www.darwinism-watch.com/
have a read this is good
http://www.tempemasjid.com/maurice/frcont15.htm
this man found the body of the pharoah , bible said he drowned quran said God drowned his people
and his body is perserved only found less than a 100 yrs i think
God said he perserved pharoahs body as a lesson for the people ( arrogant, evil people who oppress etc)
http://www.sultan.org/articles/QScience.html
mate majority of his theories have became untrue, but people still defend him
remember the pittsburgh monkey
jaw of an orangutan and the skull of a man
dyed to make it look old
and geezer mate, God didnt blow my engine, he has given me the free will to be an idiot and do fecked up things to my car , and i risk it all the time and i blew it coz of my own stupidity, i knew it was gonna happen but i went and did it, were not talking about this, were talking about his creation mate
and regarding thousands of yrs, nothing like that in the quran mate and when God talks about making the world in 6 days in the bible in the quran its 6 periods as in the proper arabic word means periods not days
and look at the creation in the quran and bible its totally different and also bible was true one time but people lost their teachings and invented some
and the word bible aint inthe bible its a greek work meaning book
take it from their
and ozon layer in the quran it says God created a barrier to protect the earth
u have to remember, quran aint a book of science, its a book of signs
if u go to this site mate, i aint no scientist but this guy is , read his books to and also has a new site dedicated to darwinsm
http://www.harunyahya.com/
http://www.darwinism-watch.com/
have a read this is good
http://www.tempemasjid.com/maurice/frcont15.htm
this man found the body of the pharoah , bible said he drowned quran said God drowned his people
and his body is perserved only found less than a 100 yrs i think
God said he perserved pharoahs body as a lesson for the people ( arrogant, evil people who oppress etc)
http://www.sultan.org/articles/QScience.html
Last edited by moses; 09 March 2004 at 07:26 PM.
