davegtt

Every1 is normal, every1 has there own opinions and thoughts and you cant help what you think. its the people who dont respect others opinions thats when things get nasty and name calling starts.

Sub97

Completely agree - Im sick of all this liberal, PC bullsh1t these days where you cant speak out for common sense.

Buzzer

Unfortunately Rich in this day and age this "political party" would be branded Fascist or even ****.

The PC brigade all still think that we can all live in harmony whilst the world gets smaller every day. Then one day, one country will elect a dictator with pent up racist aggression and then it will be 1939 all over again.

It's just a case of taking everything to breaking point, listening to a "patriotic" speaker whom assures you that they will sort out all the problems in your country.......oh yeah and a little recession thrown in to whip up a pot of anger. This then will be directed at the desired "trouble causers"

History repeats itself and we're going head long into a barrel of ****. I'm not saying that it will be in the immediate future but it WILL BE.

Markus

Ollie - My problem with the illegal immigrants is the 'illegal' part, they have not gone through any official process to be in the UK. I know many of them have come from opressed countries, familes tortured and killed in front of them, etc, and they want out. Very upsetting I know. However, if they came through the proper channels then I'd be a little less harsh on them. I will say that it's the spongers I have problems with, and this applies to illegals, asylum seekers, or your normal chavs Seriously though. I *used* (good enough for you PC? ) to pay Tax in the UK, when I lived and worked there, and it pished me off that some people just did not, and that sucks, I was paying for these people to be on benefit, when they don't want to work, and don't give me crap about not being able to get a job., there are jobs, cleaning public toilets is a job, not a nice one, not high paying but it is a job.

As for the religious fanatics, and yup, I did originally not mention the M word as there are some total christian nutbars out there, as well as nutbars of every religous denomination on the planet. As for a solution? hmm, good point, I don't know what to do with them. It's religion, it's a messy thing to play with.

SiDHEaD

Haven't had chance to read replies but I whole-heartedly agree with Markus' original point. Sounds absolutely spot-on. Does not come across as racist etc.

Andy

CrisPDuk

J4Mes you are jumping on the daily mail bandwagon, the only way that illegal immigrant was responsible for that kids death was by being in the country. The bit that all the papers omitted to print was that him & his mates were playing 'chicken' on a dual carriageway, I may be wrong, but that is not the behaviour of a well brought up child. The only actual crime the driver committed was leave the scene of the accident. The media just used the incident as another vehicle to inflame public opinion.
I know its contentious, but the way I see it, at least now he won't be nicking anyones car in five years time!

BTW with respect to religious fanaticism, look back through the history books & see if you can find an atrocity that HASN'T been committed in the name of christianity, especially catholicism!

eClaire

Well rounded human-bean

Agree with you 100%

Markus

Oh, catholicism is not without it's grey past, it's platform of unenvolvement in the holocaust for example, so yeah, every religion out there has done some bad things, all in the name of a higher being, rather stupid I feel.

Mr Duck, so you have never played chicken on a dual carrigeway? hmm, maybe I was dragged up then, as I have played that game when a kid, plus putting wire accross the street to see what it would do to a passing car, not at head height I might add.

So, yes, the kid could have been killed by any motorist and yes, again, the media is getting in on the Illegal Immigrant thing, which is wrong, but, as said by others, if he was not in the country he'd not have done it. So now he's locked up, not nicking cars, but he is nicking our money, by virtue of us paying for his stay in chokey with Taxes, and that is what really infuritates me. OK, prison might not be a palace, but to the prisoner it's a free bed and food, better than a cardboard box somewhere, or getting benefit to live in a HA place where you'd still have to pay leccy and water bills, and other things.

Anyway, I'm about to phone my mate Tony and tell him that I'm after a job exchange, and he's drawn the short straw I'll have a muppet party at Number 10 when I move in there

Oh, and is now the time to mention I'm canvassing for the BNP? (that is a joke, ok!)

NotoriousREV

For a start I'd learn the language of that country and try my damndest to fit in and be an asset to my newly adopted homeland. I wouldn't mooch off the dole and expect to be housed (yes, I do know that not all immigrants are doing this, I'm just makig a point)

787b

Immigration is an emotive issue. But like a broken engine, the problems can only be solved when you stop crying and look at the nuts and bolts.

FACT

The richest and most powerful Nation in the world is flooded with immigrants, both in numbers and in power. There has never been an indigenous Native American in The Whitehouse.

At the times of greatest immigration the UK has enjoyed near full employment.

More people leave the UK than enter every year.

The vast majority of ‘illegal’ immigrants have not committed crime in their country of origin. For many Non-EU citizens illegal =immigrant and immigrant=illegal. Simply by coming to live here they are given the same title as, for example, a murderer who has fled their country of origin.

Immigrants would be easier to Police if they were given full legal status.

A person should only be branded a criminal because of their acts or omissions. Criminals forfeit their right of free movement in all civilised societies.

FICTION

A person should be branded a criminal because of where they are from.

Everyone wishes to live in the UK.

Immigration causes civil unrest. Northern Ireland has had little immigration. Hatred and intolerance are the causes of unrest.

Wanting to stamp out immigration is anti-establishment. Nearly all Governments thrive on scapegoats, especially where these are small powerless groups which can be easily fed to the lions.

SO?

We say we don’t trust politicians, don’t believe what we read. Yet we’re told, in a thousand different ways, that the UK has gone to the dogs because people want to live here!

We’re told this often, emotionally, and with such confusing labels attached, that we forget that these are people like you and me. We bin logic. Neglect decency. We even forget ourselves. Because given a choice, we’d surely all like to live where we want. But where would Governments be then?

ProperCharlie

787b - don't expect the facts to get in the way of irrational prejudice, though

still, good points that you raise.