Suresh

I object to extremists of any denomination, especially when then choose to murder innocent people to further their cause. If that makes me anti muslim then so be it.

Back no topic - the bbc reports the arrests of Moroccan and Indian suspects ni Spain. This means little unless they are actually charged of course.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3509212.stm

SomeDude

Speculation: the "motive" (if you can call it that...) is a mixture of

a) Spanish Sahara conflict
b) Spanish government being very loyal to the US government
c) some ETA bloke selling them explosives
d) "let's call ourselves Al Quaida"

Not saying that this is the case, but it would be very hard this way to point the finger at one group/nation/terrorist leader.

Shouldn't they have postponed the elections with a few weeks ? Is it possible to have fair elections when everyone is in shock/hurt/angered ?

Or would that give the wrong message to terrorists, showing how easy it is to destabelise a country ?

Leslie

Suresh

Its more accurate and fair as well to blame the individuals concerned and their terrorist organisation rather than the religion which is being used as a vehicle for their convenience.

Les

Suresh

Les,

Completely agree with you, but it requires that the majority of the believers actively distance themselves from the minority of fanatics who are misusing the name of their religion. If they fail to do this then it is difficult for outsiders to see the distinction between them.

Suresh

Leslie

Suresh,

Yes I can understand what you are saying and maybe if there was a bit more from the non fundamentalists against these dreadful actions, the fanatics might find it more difficult to recruit young people to their cause.

Les

Geezer

Is it just me, or does Islamic fundamentalism only seemed to have arisen in the last 50 years? If you look through history, Muslims do not have seemd to caused much trouble (no more than other religions anyhow!), but now there seems to be this rise in extreme regimes (Afghanistan, Iran) and views generally.

Geezer

andrew6321

that's true. before that, there was 'christian' fundamentalism. you know - the crusades, the inquisition, salem witch trials......believe it or not, christians can be barbaric too.

Geezer

yes andrew, that is my point, the so called 'forgiving' christians have peretrated terrible crime, but not for centuries. Why has all this arisen in the 20th and 21st centuries?

Geezer

LostBoy5

'that's true. before that, there was 'christian' fundamentalism. you know - the crusades, the inquisition, salem witch trials......believe it or not, christians can be barbaric too.'

we dont live in the dark ages anymore andrew

all that is relevant is what is happening now not how many ppl richard the 1st killed in the crusades

get a grip man

case dismissed...NEXT!!!!!!!

andrew6321

shut up, you clearly know nothing about the subject you are commenting on, so why don't you leave us alone

Lord Shrek

Andrew

Islamic fundamentalism is the threat nowadays not richard the first and his merry men with their broad swords

case dismissed...NEXT!!!!!!

andrew6321

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sorry mate, did you say something?

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moses

andrew i agree


islamic fundamentalistm started after colonialism and when the west wanted to destroy the infrastructure by supporting like the saudi regime, egypt and turkey and israel

Suresh

moses mon, the moderate Islam majority needs to take charge and disown those who commit atrocities in the name of their religion. Blaming the West is a cop out and conveniently absolves anyone of any responsibility for the murder of innocent civilians. I am not denying there are influencing factors from colonialism in the past and poor US foreign policy now. There is no real defence for the murder of innocents IMHO.


So do YOU try to justify the terrorist acts or actually have the guts to condemn them as the common murderers that they are? Why not show your true colours?

moses

[edited out incitement]

i condemn all terrorism in kashmir, and arab, russian, usa and british

[further edit out]

and eta and what happened in spain


and the western policy is a part of the problem and when the most powerful have a law for themselves and a different one for the 3rd world countries,

al qaeda is a product of the usa and its policy in the middle east, when u dont listen to people and do what u want like a bully , u create confusion and extremism and people go mental


and suresh muslims do condemn the terrorists acts why dont u condemn as a hindu of what your brothers do in kashmir

why doesnt the jew come out to condemn what the extremist jews are doing in palestine

lol u want muslims to come out and condemn but u dont wanna do that yourself

thats why i know u are a narrow minded person . your hatred for muslims is so much it shows from your words, i hope your people and family suffer as my people do then u would know


end of my post here

Suresh

Dude, the only terrorists in Kashmir are the Pakistani-sponsored ones. I roundly condemn them too!


The topic is about Spain and Islam terrorism there. Glad that you condemn it. <spontaneous round of applause>



Stop your pointless rants on other subjects and personal attacks. You are the primary cause of the predicted demise of CWE. Well done for setting fire to your own soap box!!

andrew6321

suresh - you sound quite reasonable......right up to the point where you refer to moses as [removed].....which I would regard as a racist comment.

I smell hypocrisy......


[Edited out above so no need to repeat here any more - thanks]

Diesel

>>al qaeda is a product of the usa and its policy in the middle east, when u dont listen to people and do what u want like a bully , u create confusion and extremism and people go mental<<

I totally get that and that is understandable human reaction – most insightful thing said for a while from you, sir!

However, do you think there is, or should there be the same blind violence inducing brotherly bond between other religions? I ask as some of the perpetrators may have been Moroccan – a country as far as I am aware that has not recently suffered any Spanish or USA occupation or killing of its civilians in any ‘proper’ UN approved war situation.

I believe the greater long term oppressors of Muslim people may well be their own rulers and of course Israel in the Palestinians case.

D

PS Al Qaeda is a loose and free generic franchise in my book – not some a corporate multinational with a standard look and font!

moses

moses - that is out of order

moses

and diesel i agree, spain is a wonderful country i did fear whats gonna happen after spain went against 90% off their people and joined evil bush and tony


and morroco had nothing to do with it, al qaeda goes from the west to the east, chinese, malaysian, indonesians, pakistan, arabic members and other cells too


i luv germany, im so glad the chancellor didnt join bushs coalition, after scotland and pakistani, their aint a country i luv more than my beloved germany xxxxxxx

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MOSES

Please stop posting anti-hindu rhetoric on this thread



It is blatant racism, a subject about which you often declare you are the victim of.



Any more & I will look to have your account suspended without further notice.

moses

puff thats what suresh wants , he wants me banned so he is doing this coz he knows i will react



pls dont ban me i have trigger fingers i need to use the keyboard all the time , i will loose hope and go into darkness

AsifScoob

Both Moses and Suresh, you need to chill out!

Stop the name calling and insults, or this thread will be locked and both of you in trouble.

Moses, you should stop the anti hindu stuff, its not right.

And Suresh, please stop demanding that every Muslim in the World has to sign a petition condemning terrorism, you seem happy to perpetuate the view that everyone should be tarred with the same brush.

You know in your heart that this is wrong, its like saying that you are responsible for something that your Father did wrong. Would you expect a child of that man to condemn their Father out of hand, or otherwise share the guilt and punsihment?

As a Muslim, I do not know a single Muslim person that suports Al Q. If you go to any proper Mosque in this country, political activism is banned, handing out leaflets, trying to make speeches etc. The Mosque in Hounslow has gone to the extent of actually banning some 'Muslims' from attending the mosque, because of their support of Al Q. They are not allowed near it, or the cozzers get called (this has already happened)

This stuff does not seem to make the headlines for some reason. If it helps please ask the Daily Mail to come round my house and interview me, I will happily condemn ANY terrorist or murderer, I dont care what they call themselves.

Lets continue to have a sensible debate.

Asif

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Asif

Well said.


Moses

Please calm yourself, chill, and re-read your posts before submitting them and after re-reading the forum guidelines and T&C you signed up to when you joined SN. Then edit accordingly. I don't want anyone banned but blatant racism such as was in your posts is enough to make me change my mind

Apart from that, you already in "darkness", you drive an Evo

Thanks

moses

lol come to the darkside puff its awesome

puff i aint anti hindu i luv the good hindus one of my best mates in the mlr aka dragon the rally driver is a hindu his name is anil and he agree;s extremists like suresh need to be treated this way

only way they will learn tolerance of other religions if u gave them back their medicine

asif cheers bros will do and puff cheers

Suresh

Asif,

Thanks for the moderate response. Quite refreshing compared to the usual tirade!

You are right that everyone *is* indeed being tarred with the same brush. Including me everytime I cross a border... It is encouraging that some communities are weeding out Al Q supporters. The next step is to legally imprison or deport those supporters if legal imprisonment is not possible.

To respond to your analogy - if my father was a mass murderer I hope I would (a) condemn him (b) have the strength to shop him to the authorities (c) try to find space for him in my heart. Failing to do so would make me a guilty both morally and probably legally too, especially if he went on to commit further offences and I did nothing to prevent it.

Suresh


P.S. and moses, so your mate anil told you to do it after you wrongly told him I am an extremeist. That explains everything then. :P

Redkop

You may feel that this is right moses, but you will NOT be allowed to do it on ScoobyNet - is that clear?

moses

no anil didnt tell me to do it but he agree's uncle toms and people with hatred need to be taught a lesson that way

yeah lynne tell me off as usual but dont tell the other donkeys that aint that right lynne

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Lynne is not telling you off m8, just advising you that an outburst such as earlier is not acceptable either from you or anyone else.

Redkop

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