DeerHunter

in the real world terms am i going to see a difference between my sti ppp and a wr1 - i think not!

figures bode well but as said no-one will get near them in normal driving....

as for track days, 1/4 mile, 0-60 etc thats different but not essential to 90% of people apart from the 'mines faster than yours croud'!

As for Mike Wood - Always answers any questions on here and i am sure has to be careful what he says on here as i am sure subaru have the last word!

All in all the WR1 is the fastest 'subaru approved' uk spec car so thats all that matters!

PS - i ant selling a perfectly good 1 year old sti ppp with prodrive springs,18" alloys etc just to have a special colour, dccd and a bit more power.........

I am sure there will be another even better can next year... there normally is (according to press releases!).....

greasemonkey

Exactly. A lot of people both on this thread and elsewhere seem to forget that Mike (and indeed Nick, Simon and others) are employed by Prodrive. Prodrive develop the PPP, WR1, P1 and other products for International Motors (otherwise known as Subaru UK).

It's IM who are responsible for actually selling and marketing these cars in the UK, and Mike would be put in a very dodgy position if he were to pre-empt or somehow undermine IM as the primary point of contact in the case of UK market Subaru cars.

Exactly. For people who want the security of a full UK market car, it's the best option there's ever been.

Evolution is a continuous process, so the law of averages alone says that there will be another "special" UK car sooner or later. Still, the P1 held this crown for four years, so there's no certainty that the WR1 will be eclipsed quite as quickly as you fear.

Mind you, I gather that a brand new Impreza will be with us this October, and if so, that'll start the process all over again...

andy1234

As I said in another thread, the actual colour of the car is a metallic powder blue colour, not the silver it appears in the photos.....

sti-04!!

(QUOTE)Mind you, I gather that a brand new Impreza will be with us this October, and if so, that'll start the process all over again...(QUOTE)

GM what have you heard ????

greasemonkey

Erm, exactly that! That a brand new Impreza will be with us this October. That's it at the moment.

TBH I'm slightly sceptical about this, as if the 2005 model year car is going to use a new shell, I'd have expected news to have leaked out by now, and thus my own feelings suggest the next "new" Impreza will be the 2006MY (out in late 2005).

However, my source should be reliable. Next time I see him I'll ask again.

sti-04!!

Hhhhmmmm, i may have only purchased my scoob, but i did tell the mr's that i will change (if i like it) when the new one comes out !!

I was scared there - i had a flash that i ended up sleeping in it !

Can you keep me posted if you dont mind

Thanks

sti-04!!

Brian the Sn@il

LOL on scoobycity sean by anychance ?? LOL !!

Phil Harrison

I think DeerHunter gets close to the point, here. Lets assume that WR1 is 4.3 to 60 MPH, STi/PPP is 4.9 (or 4.9 Vs 5.2, or whatever you like with 0.3 difference). Can you tell the difference?? 'Course you can't!! (Though, to be fair, differences around a second on 50-70 or whatever are distinctly helpful in road driving, but only if you make marginal overtakes as a matter of habit).

So: do I want the best-ever domestic, warranted Imprezza?? 'Course I do, badly!! Can I afford 5 figures to change from what is still a newish PPP'd STi? Ah, well [shuffles feet] [avoids Missus's stare]...... Good Luck to those who can, or who are due to change anyway! And maybe I'll find a way, who knows?

Recognise the picture??

Phil

PS And, DH, you're right. Mike and others have to be as careful as they always are, with a major client's confidences.

WR1

Well said!!

This is the thing most are missing I think. I don't know how many people would want to trade in a nearly new car no matter how much better the current "special" is. There will always be a better model around the corner and I think timing is a crucial element for any major purchase such as a new motor, unless your rolling in it which most of us on here aren't (or am I the poor git out of us all)

I remember when the RB5 came out, I nearly bought one of those but as I had only had my motor for a short time the thought of losing so much money to buy what was only a slightly better (in my opinion) motor was daunting and in the end put me off.

Now, my car is over six years old, my finance is finished and the time is right to look for a newer car. The WR1 has come at an absolute perfect time as far as I'm concerned. If my current car was only six months old, rather than six years then I'm sure my views would be vastly different.

At the end of the day each person on this list will have their own views about what is right and wrong for them and that's fair enough. Me, I'm more than happy to be getting a WR1. It's the perfect car for me at a perfect time and I hope that everyone else who has one on order is looking forward to their cars as much as I am.

I hope people don't take this as a rant, far from it. Just my 2p worth...

londonpaul

WR1 - given your log in - and your unflinching support for this mystery motor then I can only assume that you are a supporter of this idiotic launch. personally as a multiple scooby owner who signed up for the car I'm sick and tired of all this b**l****. if the performance is actually this good then fantastic - shame they didn't explain that to the dealers who were totally ill informed about the car - I have absolutely no idea what I am buying, it changes every day - I definitely fancy a new motor, personally I dont give a toss about the warantee so if I don't see some real information in the next few weeks that actually proves some of the gossip I'm off to importsville

londonpaul

WR1 FYI - I have a spanking new (<1 yr) STi8 PPP with all the kit and 6K on the clock - you can take it off my hands for low 20s when I trade in if you really want a decent car - its magnificent

londonpaul

sorry for the rant everyone - just doing my head in

londonpaul

"Lets assume that WR1 is 4.3 to 60 MPH, STi/PPP is 4.9 (or 4.9 Vs 5.2, or whatever you like with 0.3 difference). Can you tell the difference?? "

yes - of course you can - why on earth do you think people buy subarus in the first place? thats why the old bug eye was a flop, like that silly type UK it was basically (bad) style over substance. sorry, I bought my scoob because its simply the best car I can possibly afford - I test drove it against the EVO and the M3 and in my opinion they simply didn't match up.

*off the vodka - off to bed*

nellie

same old story with subaru!! always really optimistic with their figures!!,buy a EVO,at least mitsubishi are always conservative with their figures,i mean a WR1 quicker than a SPEC C HMMM!!!,i dont think so!,i took my STI7 PPP to a rolling road 3 times the best figures i got were 294hp/284lbs the worst were 281hp/272lbs,not the figures subaru are quoting for the PPP,have taken my standard Evo8 FQ300 to a RR and got 315hp/306lbs,having it de-catted this week so should be another 10-15hp,not bad for £50!!,the spec c or type 25 is the scoob to get!

MikeWood

Paul

I can understand your frustration but one thing I can confirm is that the specification has never changed, just the speculation going on is giving you conflicting mis-information. In my opinion this car is rather good, I can't stop grinning when I drive one.....


Iain
The testing was done with a full tank of fuel and a passenger trying to run two laptops (one for the Microsat and the other monitoring the engine) which is how all the magazines do their tests. What we did do which the magazines might not is to make sure the tyres were warm and the intercooler was cold but that's just optimisation. You would also not want to do this sort of test on a regular basis on your own car but as customers want the headline figures we have to do it!

On the road the car is noticeably quicker than a normal STi PPP, the major difference being the way it pulls hard to the rev limit and as Bob states, it's not the peak figures that are important, it's the area under the curve. Bear in mind that the engine revs are over 6000 for just about all the test and whilst you may only have 15ps more at the peak, there may be as much as 40ps more in other areas.

If anyone is any doubt, this car is a good step change from a 'normal' STi even if you already have a PPP, wheels and springs and you can most definately feel the differences in handling and performance.

There is a press car which should be going out in the next few weeks so expect to see some reports soon.

Mike

hawkeye

Thanks for the post mike I can now see where people especially your good self are coming from, I think the shocking thing is when you see power figures that on paper look CLOSE to a ppp'd sti's then see the fact that the new car blows a ppp'd sti's performance figures out of the water just seems too good to be true


all i can say is the people who get one will it seems be very lucky people, me i cant justify spending £10000 + to upgrade to one from a bug-eyed sti thats only 18 months old....... that said I take my hat off to you and prodrive for producing some awe-inspiring figures from a humble 2.0L flat 4 engine (with a warranty too).


And thank you for taking the time to post on scoobynet, I hope people don't think I was mike wood/prodrive bashing......... i was and still am PLAIN GOBSMACKED at the figures...


Hawk (paul) - even though i wasnt the paul you were referring to

Phil Harrison

..... and doubtless the handling of gearchange and throttle were peerless!! God I feel a Prat when I bog down on 2nd-to-5th

Phil

davyboy

With respect Mike, I think the customers would like to see figures that "they" can achieve on a good run, I know I would.

I don't see the point of publishing figures that can not be easily matched.

Dave

MikeWood

Phil

The throttle was easy, it never left the floor

Mike

hawkeye

you dont feel as much of a prat as when you change from 6th to 3rd by mistake!!!!!

and come on everyone be honest weve ALL done it!!!

lmao at
"Phil The throttle was easy, it never left the floor Mike"

must remember that one when im using my car to its full potential weaving between shopping trolleys in the local tescos while trying to find a parking space

Phil Harrison

ROTFL @Mike

Are you able to say anything yet about possibility of a beneficial retrofit to 02/03s? IIRR it was left as not being technically impossible, but not high on the priority list. A two-letter answer will not offend, and for me will not reopen what was a slightly edgy debate

Phil

hawkeye

phil with respect YES is 3 letters



lol

WR1

Hang on, don't judge me by my log-in only...

I'm not overly happy about the launch either and if the deposit wasn't refundable on seeing the car I would have thought much more about putting my thousand down in the first place. I've said before that the time is perfect for me to change cars and the WR1 has come along now.

I would have much preferred to have some proper information about the car first, rather than going through all this speculation. Then again, it's been fun watching all the discussions

Bottom line though has to be that I love the Scooby. My MY98 is all I ever wanted in a car but it's six years old and as I keep saying time for me to change. And for me, the obvious choice is a WR1, it fits what I want perfectly so that will do for me.

hawkeye

hope you enjoy it m8 by the sounds of it they will be a peach------------- except if me and phil talk Mike into retro fitting our 02/03 sti's then we'll have cars as quick as yours for HALF the price..........lmao

paul

Brian the Sn@il

Please Correct me if im wrong with this,
But THe T25 only comes with a 1 year warranty
The WR-1 comes with a 3 year warranty
WHat warranty dose the Spec C come with ?

hawkeye

i would think it depends on where you buy it from im sure litchfields give a year possibly more if you payt for it

Phil Harrison

Which is one reason why retrofits - if possible - might not fit a sensible business model ... Hence my low-key approach to asking the question..

Phil

WR1

Sorry, but you'll never get there m8y, it's the limited edition ice blue paintwork that actually makes the car go faster...

MJW

It's glaringly obvious from reading these forums that people are obsessed with performance figures (the number of tears shed over a rolling road dyno is testimony to this) and therefore it's a big factor in influencing sales.

In real world driving terms, its unlikely that every WR1 customer will want to perform a potentially clutch-destroying launch every time he switches the ignition on. All performance figures for all cars are done on the limit : as has been said before, customers want the peak performance figures, so there they are ! The figures are more than likely repeatable, but the question is, would you really want to, or have the opportunity to do so day in day out.

hawkeye

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