Jerome

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you may misunderstand tax brackets.

If you move into a higher tax bracket, you only pay the higher rate on the amount you earn over the tax bracket - not on the whole amount. You do obviously pay more to the government, but it is still worth getting paid more. IIRC, the 40% tax bracket is around 28k - hardly living on the poverty line.

Jye

I say get a life.

ajm

I was wondering what you were going to say!

Jye

LOL @ ajm Ah but you know shopping folk in is so uncool

Anyway I'm not adverse to paying most tax as such, especially income tax, its just as some people have said we pay loads of tax and most of it is wasted. Grassing in someone wont change that. Anyway Robin Hood and all that, take from the rich and give to the poor, i.e. moi

ProperCharlie

none, obviously. but then most builders guarantees are worth sh*te anyway. if i trust the person, then i go from there. i think being in trades (sort of) helps, as tradesmen are less inclined to assume they can work one over on you.

Luan Pra bang

Funny that people mention builders becuase I just had a new floor laid and one recomended builder charged 800 with no mention of the VAT while the others charged 950-1100 plus VAT the fact being that the smaller less official builders have less overheads alround and savings get passed on directly to me. The fact is we can all beneft from people who work this way.

Henrik

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Luan Pra Bang:
Well, if we assume (hypothetically), that he didn't pay VAT on it (even though he said nothing about that to you), he probably didn't pay income tax/corporate tax on it either, so he'd probably be left with more cash for doing your job for 800, than the other builders who charged you 950 plus VAT.

scoobydooooo

the 40% bracket starts at just over 37k , it went up a grand in the last budget . sorry for that but i thought i'd bore people with details .

ProperCharlie

according to this the higher rate band went from £30,500 to £31,400. Not exactly giving it away, are they?

milo

thats AFTER your personal allowance, which is 4745.. so that means you're paying higher rate tax on anything over 36145.

milo

oh and if you want to up what you get tax free, you could always poke your eyes out, as that'll give you an extra 1560 in your tax free allowance

Scooby96

jye - Grassing in someone wont change that

With that attitude it wont change - if all benefit / tax dodgers were shopped/stopped then it might just make a difference!!

ProperCharlie

milo - fair enough, then.

good job i'm not an accountant.

jaycee

Shop him. There is a massive difference between doing the odd cash deal and blatantly avoiding paying ANY tax whatsoever. I like to pay as little tax as possible but I have to pay my accountant a small fortune for this benefit and it's only within the guidelines the government set out.
Maybe they should set up a reward system for shopping All tax dodgers!! Say, 10% of taxes due.
And don't forget the other tax dodgers, pikeys, illegal immigrants and Del Trotter!!


Jason

Jye

Yeah and the 'benefit hotline' (for grasses) that really solved benefit fraud. No offence 96, but get real

Redkop

I think you need to get real Jye, that sort of attitude carries on from generation to generation. If people bring their children up to show contempt about paying taxes - they then bring their children up to think the same and so on and so on. Get my drift?

Jye

Redkop, the battle is lost, I know as I'm on the front line. Get back to me when you've got the t shirt, k.

And btw when were children mentioned?

wakeboardar

paying as little tax is all part of the game of life, every year i try to pay as little as i can get away with.

but to be a petty grass is pretty low

Redkop

Was an example to show how tax evasion can escalate

Markus

wakeboardar - no, being a tax evading scumbag is pretty low. Obviously some people think that it's perfectly fine to evade paying tax, and probably think those of us who do pay tax are "losers" for doing so. Ah, the moral decline of the world today. Next people will be telling us that pikeys aren't so bad after all

wakeboardar

how does anyboby know what tax anyone pays anyway ,chances are this person has more or is more of flash harry and this is pure envy.

Markus

Do you people read? or know how to?

I don't think envy comes into it, someone is pretty sure someone else is evading paying tax. Simple.

As I previously said, report them to the local tax office, if they are paying tax then nothing will happen, if they are not, then they will be investigated, and hopefully prosecuted, job well done.

wakeboardar

as i stated how do they know they must either there accountant or their brief otherwise they would never know another persons tax affairs how many peoples private tax affairs do you know markus, how many people know yours ,WISE UP

StickyMicky

if everybody payed tax, then the goverment would just splash the cash on more ****e like the dome and stuff, nobody would see any benifit at all, and anybody who thinks they would, its mistaken IMO "they might just" isnt good enough IMO its like being led by a carrot on a rope and stick.

Diesel

The 'they might waste it' argument is so naive an immature. Just pay what is right and fair and do your duty as a citizen. If you want to exist outside of that citizenship, then go live in a tepee in an Anglicised part of Wales and dont go asking anyone for ANY health treatment, air cover, diplomats in Moscow, housing benefit or library books paid for from MY taxes.

However if you have a problem with council tax or want a camera cheap from New York I'm with you! Income Tax is fair - the rest of the stealth and bollox taxes/duties are NOT. They dont even HAVE VAT in some US states (or the NHS...)

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imlach

Some of the replies on here show what a state our society is in these days.

Those that can't seem to connect a single person's tax evasion / benefit fraud with the effect it has on the country's finances are either really thick (yes, plain stupid), or have no sense of morality, nor feel one has a duty to contribute to our shared society.

There are NO excuses.

If you don't earn enough, there are goverment benefits available. If you only earn just enough, you're paying less tax than the majority anyway. If you earn more than enough and pay higher rate taxes, then welcome to the real world of the rich funding the poor.

It's always worked this way, and it seems pretty fair. Abusing the system upsets the equilibrium of the whole system.

Luan Pra bang

I'm sure the government would have spent 600 million on the millennium dome plus 1 million a month to keep it open all for a temporary building if they didn't have cash to burn. Just imagine what they would waste cash on if they had it to spend. Look how much government money has been wasted on Wembley stadium millions a month just to pay a bunch of lawyers and consultants and architects to talk rubbish. Blood suckers have made millions from the tax payer on legal aid to and the pure truth is that none of the three major parties will ever change this. People stopping work and refusing to pay tax could cure this in the space of a month and would be infinitely more effective than a well placed vote. Those of you who pay tax are crippling the country supporting a corrupt government run by corporate interests and should stop it now for the future good of England.

Jye

See ajm

Jye

Scottish parliment imlach? Go for it m8, you just keep paying through the nose while they pish it up a wall. Btw your view of human nature, morality and civic duty is the wishy washy view of the utopianist. Remember, this is humans you're talking about, the scourge of the planet and a few choice words in someones ear wont change that.

tiggers

This whole thread just goes to show the probably irreparable damage that Maggie Thatcher's greed is good style of governemnt has done to the fabric of UK society - be selfish, greedy, tread on others to get where you want to be and then be proud of it.

Very very sad!!!

tiggers.