Shopping someone for income tax dodging?
27 March 2004, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by tiggers
This whole thread just goes to show the probably irreparable damage that Maggie Thatcher's greed is good style of governemnt has done to the fabric of UK society - be selfish, greedy, tread on others to get where you want to be and then be proud of it.
Very very sad!!!
tiggers.
Very very sad!!!
tiggers.
Somehow, somewhere, the moral fabric of our society is being slowly ripped apart. Most of us do our best to prevent that, but it is the neds, the numpties, the scum of this country that escalate it.
Law & order is key.
27 March 2004, 10:59 AM
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If I said jump off a bridge some of you lot would probably do that as well. Blindly paying every tax this or any other gvt throws at you make you fools imo.
27 March 2004, 10:59 AM
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It's also the problem of the "haves" and the "have nots".
ie, those that are poor want what the rich have. One of the ways of getting that is cheating, defrauding, stealing, and generally acting like the low life scum they are.
The majority of the "haves" got there through hard work & determination. The "have nots" have a inferiority complex that they can't get there. Problem is that they can. We are all born the same. Some of the richest people in the UK were born into underpriveledged backgrounds.
ie, those that are poor want what the rich have. One of the ways of getting that is cheating, defrauding, stealing, and generally acting like the low life scum they are.
The majority of the "haves" got there through hard work & determination. The "have nots" have a inferiority complex that they can't get there. Problem is that they can. We are all born the same. Some of the richest people in the UK were born into underpriveledged backgrounds.
27 March 2004, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Jye
If I said jump off a bridge some of you lot would probably do that as well. Blindly paying every tax this or any other gvt throws at you make you fools imo.
The old jump off a bridge argument eh? Hmm....no, if someone jumped off a bridge, I wouldn't follow. It's such a stupid comparison.
The tax levels in the UK are comparable to those in western society. They are there to provide shared services. We could argue all day on whether they are all fair or relevant to each of us. For instance, I have no kids, yet I pay for schools. That doesn't seem fair on first examination, but for SOCIETY to work, we ALL have to share the costs of every service.
If there was no tax, there'd be no education....no education, and there'd be no companies providing jobs in the UK.
Calling us "fools" is unjustified. We are the ones paying for the relatively pleasant society you live in. If you don't contribute to it, you don't deserve to share it.
27 March 2004, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Jye
Remember, this is humans you're talking about, the scourge of the planet and a few choice words in someones ear wont change that.
27 March 2004, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by imlach
We're not talking about a few choice words. We're talking about the Revenue coming down like a ton of bricks on tax evaders. Penalise the scum using fiscal penalties that will make them be forced into living on the breadline for years to come.
I remember an advert Mercedes brought out in the early nineties, it ended with the slogan 'why wait?', well people didn’t wait, they just went out and 'got' by whatever means they had available, usually guns and violence. With the media shoving crap like this down everyone’s throat 24/7 leading people to believe that they should have what everyone else has, is it any wonder this country has bigger problems than tax dodgers.
Anyway this is well OT, shop the guy in if it makes you feel better but it wont solve anything.
27 March 2004, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by imlach
The majority of the "haves" got there through hard work & determination. The "have nots" have a inferiority complex that they can't get there. Problem is that they can. We are all born the same. Some of the richest people in the UK were born into underpriveledged backgrounds.
and it is also well known that it is much more effective to tax the poor than to tax the rich. go check out news international's tax returns if you don't believe it.
27 March 2004, 12:03 PM
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imlach, I'm not talking about the rest of the world - I'm talking about the UK.
In the 1970's at least people had a sense of values. Simple illustrations - they would give up a bus seat to an old lady, or if something was obviously wrong with a neighbour go and check on them or if someone dropped some money they would give it back to them etc. etc.
By the start of the 90's this was all gone.
What came in between?
Maggie and her greed is good government!!
Anyway this is my last post on this thread as people evading paying their taxes makes my blood boil - if you don't ant to pay it f**k off out of the UK and go and live somewhere else with a tax syustem more suited to your overly greedy and selfish nature!
tiggers.
In the 1970's at least people had a sense of values. Simple illustrations - they would give up a bus seat to an old lady, or if something was obviously wrong with a neighbour go and check on them or if someone dropped some money they would give it back to them etc. etc.
By the start of the 90's this was all gone.
What came in between?
Maggie and her greed is good government!!
Anyway this is my last post on this thread as people evading paying their taxes makes my blood boil - if you don't ant to pay it f**k off out of the UK and go and live somewhere else with a tax syustem more suited to your overly greedy and selfish nature!
tiggers.
27 March 2004, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Jye
This is the problem with capitalism, those who have, and those who want.
27 March 2004, 12:06 PM
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OK OT again, but sure, those brought up in slums have the same opportunities as everyone else. In theory I'm sure they do, but in the real world where I live it just doesnt happen very often.
27 March 2004, 12:10 PM
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if you don't ant to pay it f**k off out of the UK and go and live somewhere else with a tax syustem more suited to your overly greedy and selfish nature!
27 March 2004, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Jye
Oh aye, as if that will work. These will be the same people who will soon be breaking into your house, robbing and selling drugs to make up the deficit. Are you so naive to think these people will simply eat beans and toast 'for years to come' while you eat fillet steak? This is the problem with capitalism, those who have, and those who want.
I remember an advert Mercedes brought out in the early nineties, it ended with the slogan 'why wait?', well people didn’t wait, they just went out and 'got' by whatever means they had available, usually guns and violence. With the media shoving crap like this down everyone’s throat 24/7 leading people to believe that they should have what everyone else has, is it any wonder this country has bigger problems than tax dodgers.
Anyway this is well OT, shop the guy in if it makes you feel better but it wont solve anything.
I remember an advert Mercedes brought out in the early nineties, it ended with the slogan 'why wait?', well people didn’t wait, they just went out and 'got' by whatever means they had available, usually guns and violence. With the media shoving crap like this down everyone’s throat 24/7 leading people to believe that they should have what everyone else has, is it any wonder this country has bigger problems than tax dodgers.
Anyway this is well OT, shop the guy in if it makes you feel better but it wont solve anything.
.Surely the attitdue should be that even though it is an uphill struggle to get these people,its always worth the effort,even if its 1 in a 1000 you manage to get.The sign of real courage is in carrying on DESPITE knowing that in all probabilty you will not prevail,so it should be in catching all thieves and tax dodgers etc.
Just cos "everyone or most people "DO something illigel doesnt make it right to do it yourself.Everone should at all times attempt to bring as many of these people to book as they possibly can.
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27 March 2004, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Scooby96
ala NACRO
27 March 2004, 01:51 PM
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I agree with RipRock. We talk on here about scum stealing cars, avoiding insurance, etc and they get ripped to pieces.....should be shot, strung up, etc etc
There is NO difference with revenue fraud.
There is NO difference with revenue fraud.
27 March 2004, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ProperCharlie
I very much doubt that the actual figures bear this out. one of the best ways to get rich is *still* to start off rich. The govt. likes to promote the (false IMO) notion of meritocracy. The real truth is that for the system to work, most people have to have low incomes and humdrum lives. most people will never and could never see a million £. the fact that every now and again some geezer makes it from nothing does absolutely not disprove the fact that millions of others won't make it.
Most people would be quite happy on an average salary or perhaps aspire to earning £30-40k/year, which is within reach of EVERY man on the street.
That ensures a comfortable living in a nice house, car, 2.2 kids, holidays, etc.
It is in the goverment's interest to ensure as many people as possible earn more in/for the country.
27 March 2004, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by fatherpierre
Yes there is.
You steal someone's car or break into their house you're leaving a single victim.
Revenue fraud is a faceless crime.
You steal someone's car or break into their house you're leaving a single victim.
Revenue fraud is a faceless crime.
27 March 2004, 02:01 PM
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I'm slightly confused as to how you 'know' they're paying no tax, but shop him and let the authorities do the investigating.
You live in our society, you don't get to pick and choose which taxes you deign to pay.
You live in our society, you don't get to pick and choose which taxes you deign to pay.
27 March 2004, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by imlach
Most people would be quite happy on an average salary or perhaps aspire to earning £30-40k/year, which is within reach of EVERY man on the street.
ii) it isn't within the reach of EVERY man on the street. If it was, then street sweepers, nurses, shelf stackers etc would all have to be paid that sort of wage.
the fact is that there will always be a need for low paid jobs, and so there will always be a need for people to do those low paid jobs, and therefore earn a low wage. look at the wage structure of a big company. if the people at the bottom were earning £35k, the thing would collapse. maybe the govt. might wish that this wasn't the case, but apart from other considerations, everyone getting more money would f**k up their inflation targets.
27 March 2004, 02:23 PM
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No one likes paying taxes, I sure as hell don't and avoid paying more than I need to. Or more accurately I pay my accountant to *avoid* tax, this isn't a crime, it's making the best use of the guidelines and allowances from Mr Brown. I do however still pay more in tax than my missus earns, that is my contribution to society and it's how civilised societies fund themselves.
They guy mentioned at the start of this thread is *evading* tax which is an entirely different issue.
If you're not sure about "grassing" him up, send me the details I'll do it.
It's similar to people who don't pay their car insurance, it hikes the premiums for everyone else to cover their stupidity/selfishness/ignorance, it's not a faceless/victimless crime.
They guy mentioned at the start of this thread is *evading* tax which is an entirely different issue.
If you're not sure about "grassing" him up, send me the details I'll do it.
It's similar to people who don't pay their car insurance, it hikes the premiums for everyone else to cover their stupidity/selfishness/ignorance, it's not a faceless/victimless crime.
27 March 2004, 02:25 PM
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It depends how you define victim.
To compare it with car theft is ludicrous, though. It doesn't hurt you in the emotional way being stolen from does - you don't feel a pain.
You simply pay more out.
To compare it with car theft is ludicrous, though. It doesn't hurt you in the emotional way being stolen from does - you don't feel a pain.
You simply pay more out.