Dream Weaver

Thats why Rum and I can never find you at Elvington

Dream Weaver

But there are others that go out, drink too much, pick a fight with you (an end up in court), or smash up your house/property/mates faces etc, so therefore it should be banned full stop.

Dream Weaver

One thing I have noticed - those most for the smoking ban are ex-smokers - I hope i dont become like this when I give up Someone kill me if I do!!

Molds

Yes

NAF

I smoke and I'm for it too
I'm glad its been implemented here
Just driven from Dublin back home to Limerick and had great laugh at the amount of people standing outside pubs having a smoke
Luckily for them its not raining here tonight lol

jaf01uk

Still no one picking up on the fact that smoking is an addiction and you cant just give up just like that, there is drink clinics, drug clinics, fat clinics why no "give up smoking clinics"? Have you seen the price of the so called aids to giving up, pads, fake **** etc, why if it is such a health issue which I know it is can you not get help to stop that doesn't cost a fortune? Banning it doesn't address the problem it just hides it from view, and like I said earlier why cant pubs and clubs where you cant step outside after a certain time or you wont get back in provide adequate air filtration systems (god knows they make plenty enough money off us to provide clean air for everyone)
Gary

jaf01uk

And just a point on the above which was posted while I was composing my reply;
We introduced a smoking ban at work about 8 or 9 years ago and quickly found that the fire risks went sky high to the point where the management no longer actively seek out smokers as long as they do it in a safe place, I even heard of a workshop that had a square of tape on the middle of the floor where anyone wanting to smoke had to stand to avoid settig the toilets on fire!!
Just look what happened on Coronation Street to Mikes factory

gareth123

???

Everyone who drinks alcohol behaves like this, or just a small minority? If the guy standing next to me is drinking a pint am I *going* to be in a fight?

What a nonsense argument.

I'm a former smoker. It's a disgusting habit, glad I had the spine to quit. I really apprieciate living in a smoke free State. It's great

Ian_S

i dont drink or smoke, but if i go to a pub im forced to breathe in smoke, but not forced to drink alcohol. your argument sucks.

scoobchrissy

iTrader: (1)

Good point, i'm trying to stop as well, so it would realy help.

but saying that it's like taking someone's freedom away from him

just my 2 pence worth.

fatherpierre

It's not taking anyone's freedom away. It just means smokers have to go elsewhere to pollute their lungs.

It's giving freedom to the people who don't want to breathe in and stink of the crap that smokers blow out.

r32

Its not a nice thing to be told by the Doc you have cancer, perhaps the biggest shock you can get. Thankfully mine was curable, but I dont want to sit in any ones smoke and increase the risk again.
Ban it in public places, the sooner the better.
STEVE.............

AndyC_772

iTrader: (2)

Nobody's asking you to give up completely. All you're being asked to do is take a break for a few hours when you go out in public.

If you really can't even manage that, you can always go outside for a smoke. In practical terms that's no more difficult than using a toilet when you need to p*ss. You don't have to give up p*ssing! Clubs will understand or they'll lose business.

Cigarettes are expensive. Work out what your habit costs over a week, a month or a year. Does stopping sound so expensive now?

No, it does address the problem. The problem is air quality in public places, not the fact that people smoke in the first place. Nobody's trying to ban smoking generally.

ProperCharlie

in general i'm not in favour of banning things, but in this case i'm prepared to make an exception . the main problem is that only about 50% of smokers seems to have any consideration for anyone else. some people will automatically go outside to have a *** - others just light up without any consideration of where they are or who else is around. had a joiner round fitting some doors the other day - he hadn't been in the house more than 5 minutes when him and his mate lit up. i pointed out that i had a 1 month old baby in the house and i didn't want the place smelling of smoke. they looked at me like i'd asked them not to breathe.

hybwrx2002

Why should non smokers have to put up with inhaling horrible smelling stuff like that, i'm all for it, I can't stand smoke.

Jye

For gareth, many heroin users are from middle class or professional backgrounds and can both afford and control their drug use. Others though cannot. So should we legalise heroin because 'some' people can handle it, or keep it illegal because other cannot? Alcohol problems cost the NHS over 6 billion a year and industry about 3 billion. I won’t even hazard a guess at how much other alcohol related crimes cause. All this ‘I can go out and just have a few pint so it must be OK’ just doesn’t wash I’m afraid.

We pollute each other and this planet in far worse and more harmful ways than smoking cigarettes ever will. Just buying a new carpet pollutes you house for years with toxic chemicals, in fact houses can be far more dangerous than smoke filled pubs if you care to look. We all drive cars that pump out toxic and carcinogenic chemicals, chemicals like benzene than can only be handled under laboratory conditions using respirators and special clothing. Does it ever **** you all off when you walk down a busy street you have to smell all the stinking smoke and exhaust fumes from cars, lorries and buses, or hints of smog in larger cities? Does it worry those with children than they could soon develop asthma because of this? Do you care about the environment or the ozone layer? Do you care that oil is running out?

Banning smoking in public will only solve a ‘minor’ irritation in the larger scheme of things. We can all chose whether to go into a smoke filled pub, but seemingly we can’t chose whether we want fresh air outside of them. But that doesn’t really matter eh, nasty **** and smelly clothes, eughh, give me my turbo and 16 mpg any day

I'm sure that in some way all you non smokers are already doing your bit to stop your own form of pollution. Pushbikes for journeys of less than 10 miles or until your catalysts heat up and actually start working anyone?

Jye

Get some friends of the earth in here I say

Fatman

"Should UK ban smoking in public?" Yes.

NACRO

Agree with a lot of what our skirt wearing north of the border chum has said here.

I'm a libertarian so I think people should be free to do whatever they please, short of murder and rape. Personally I find people's disgusting offspring mewling, sh1tting and puking in public houses and public places more offensive than some sad drug addicts smoking their cigarettes. I like the fact people smoke in public, it enables me to identify at a stroke just who the weak people are.

Jye

Purdon the pun, lol @ NACRO

AndyC_772

iTrader: (2)

Jye, you're just being silly now, aren't you. Start another thread about illegal drugs or alcohol if you like - this one is about cigarette smoke in public places.

I don't bring my car into pubs and restaurants, and I don't rev the engine just because I'm addicted to the fumes. Do I care about pollution? Of course. Do I accept that we shouldn't ban one, completely pointless form of pollution just because there are others as well? Erm... no.

Whenever I go out to a pub, I come home stinking of cigarette smoke, not exhaust fumes or the smell of a new carpet!

Kevin Mc

Yes.

Jye

Silly? Perhaps Andy, but surely the debate can cross over to banning things in general, or has debating emotive issues become so rigid and one sided that to talk about anything else is seen as detracting from the other camps stance? Its either that or we can just have simple yes or no polls and it becomes a case of black or white.

Saying that you dont bring your car into pubs and restaurants is just as silly, the topic is about baning smoking in 'any' public place, afterall you use the car in the most public of places, the outdoors.

I dont want to sit in some inner city public park breathing smog, do you? Suddenly everyone want to ban things 'they' dont like, but dont like it when things 'they' do like are put under the microscope. I'm just against banning things in general, be it smoking in pubs, horses on the roads, fishing, motorbikes, cats, you name it.

fatherpierre

I love the way the pro-smokers keep bringing alcohol into it. WTF has alcohol got to do with smoking??

Someone having a pint or ten does not make the people in their vicinity smell of cigarettes or degrade the air they're breathing.

We genearally go into public houses to drink, therefore expect people to be drinking around us. I don't go into my local because I want to breathe in the foul, *** stinking air or because I enjoy the smell of stale tobaccoo on my clothes after 5 minutes in there.

NACRO

Just because someone is pro-liberty doesn't mean they are pro-smoking.

I suggest people who don't like it visit non-smoking pubs. Vote with your feet and let the drug addicts carry on killing themselves and paying for the NHS with their taxes. I hate smoke but if I choose to spend time with the weak willed then that's my own choice surely?

Jye

I guess because alcohol causes problems as well, problems far worse than smelly clothes. I don’t want to go into a pub and get a pint glass smashed in my face, you can also as someone else mentioned go into a pub and drink cola if thats yer thang.

I think the poll speaks for itself, although I still doubt it will happen as governments dont give a **** about smelly clothes, only hard cash.

wrxsmo

It's about time.


I sat in the non-smoking area of a restaurant on Saturday with my wife & 2 yr old daughter and we could still smell the smoke from the smoking area whilst eating. Nice

fatherpierre

**** cause problems far worse than smelly clothes, too.

You must go into some 'choice' establishments if you're wary of getting glassed!!!

Dream Weaver

Go to any city/town pub up North and you can get glassed in a second - Manchester, Burnley, Leeds, Bradford you name it - they dont have to be rough places either.

I am with Jye, not particularly against banning smoking - I dont care about that to be honest as I want to give up this year cos no-one I hang with smokes, it will help me in fact - I am against banning. It reminds me of the book burning situations.

If we ban smoking in pubs, clubs etc, how long before the establishment move onto something else? Ban BBQ's cos they pollute the atmosphere, ban alcohol cos it causes violence, ban cars cos they pollute and kill 8000 people a year etc etc

But to answer you fatherp, we mention alcohol cost that will be next!!

fatherpierre

Alcohol? Na, never.

The ban is only mentioned in the context of public places. Drinking booze is banned in many places in the UK. Where I live you will get a £200 fine if found drinking on the streets.

And I know what you mean about getting glassed - I'm from Leeds and have seen it a few times in some less than nice places I've been to.

They were very smokey places - I wonder if that contributed to the violence? LOL