Pbr

LOL @ Moses

Good to see the CWE regulars now drinking in here

OllyK

The Government know marginally more about the economy than a bunch of monkeys. They do however employ a lot of civil servants who are economists etc and they then tell the Government what to do. You reckon Gordon Brown has an economics degree?

Doesn't say what his degree was in, bull**** probably

the moose

Nope, a history degree. However you slice it though, anyone with a 1st and a PhD is not exactly stupid.

By the way OllyK, what exactly are your educational attainments?

OllyK

Chemisty and Business Degree from Kingston and Computer Science Degree from DeMontfort, the latter was a First

the moose

So not a PhD then, unlike the Chancellor?

Still, easy to say that Brown must have a degree in bull****. I'd have thought, however, that as someone who knows exactly how hard it is to get a First you'd not do the stereotypical Sun-reader's putdown.

OllyK

Having a First and even a Doctorate in History is does not mean the guy is an expert in Economics. Likewsie having a first in Computer Science doesn't put me in a position to perform neuro surgery.

I am sure the guy is intelligent, doesn't mean he has any common sense though. The point I was making, obviously rather too flipantly, was that the Labour government are all spin and bull****, they have started to wander away from the promises not to overspend and are now borrowing more and more money. At some point it is going to have to be paid back, they are gambling that the economy will pick up and pay for it all, but that's kinda like taking on a 100% mortage at 5 times your salary in the hope that you will win the lottery.

the moose

The Chancellor doesn't sit there and develop policy on his own, nor does he have need to be an economist. He's more like the Finance Director of GB plc, and when you look at the FDs of the FT-SE100 they're not often economists, though they have serried ranks of such people working for them.

It's not actually that it's difficult or esoteric economics, more that management of the data and the assumptions driving the models is so complex, and the pressure to make the right decision is immense.

If you look at Labour's original promises on spending, you'll find they've not been broken. I'd agree they've sailed rather close to the wind on this, but ultimately all governments play the odds, and I'd have to salute this government for at least trying to invest in the country.

Look at the previous administration, who seemed to think that by cutting everything, and cutting taxes, they'd somehow improve the economy. Anyone in business knows that if you want a short-term boost you just stop investing in fixed assets - boosts cashflow and profit, and everyone's happy. That is, they are until everything's worn out, and all needs replacing at the same time, at which time you've got a huge bill.

That's essentially the state Britain is in, or at least was until the current government came to power. It takes a very long time to sort things out, and whilst I'd fully support the argument that this government isn't always spending money in the right places (war in Iraq, anyone), at the end of the day they at least have a plan which has a better-than-average chance of working. Market information has now conceded that the Chancellor's growth targets are likely to be met, that the revenues look about right, that the tax take assumed in the models is roughly in line ..... in short, that we can afford the spending.

It's gambling, for sure, but it's not as if they're picking a winner by sticking a pin in a piece of paper - there's a bit more science and thought in it than that.

Prince Popeye

'i feel sad for the good ones, their suffering coz of the minority of *****'

Shouldnt it be coz of the majority of *****?

Cosworth427

Yes, and most of the parts are French & European made and sourced. The british car industry as a whole would benefit if people purchased British cars and british parts. The manufacturer (british), the supplier of parts (british), the dealerships (british), the servicing departments (british) would all be better off. Renault on the other hand would only benefit the british based dealer of foreign parts. 1 imported car dealership employes a dozen people. Rover as a whole employs thousands.



ASDAs pay their corportation taxes & VAT. They employ british citizens who inturn pay their taxes. Some of the profit goes back to their parent Wal-Mart. But ASDA for the past few decades was a 100% British company. ASDA by all its history and employment record is no more American than a pot of tea.



And EVERY YEAR I see dozens of white unemployed English characters involved with fights, vandalism and crime, yet do we tell white English British citizens to stop raising and giving birth to white English children who MAY become criminals of white English ethnic, because some people of that ethinic background are proven to cause crime?

Because I pay my taxes, and some of that money goes to funding police and prision facilities to take care and house these criminals, does that make it right to support the notion that white english people should* cease to exist? -Simply because they CAN cause crime???


All I re-read is uninformed pub-talking waffle from you.



More whining from you...

No matter how many spoungers there are, there will always be plenty of individuals (British citizens and/or immigrants) who have the motivation to learn, work and progress in this country. There is not one single country on this earth that the majority of the population remains unproductive.

I'm done with this thread, I don't fancy debating any further with a grafftti'ed brick wall like yourself.

davegtt

OK mate, I have a 17yr old car that I DONT buy parts for full stop, renault are making NO money from me... and you waffle on about british dealerships for rover, well Renault UK make profit too, they employ lots of english people and as a company pay plenty of taxes to the government. the day I'll buy a british car is when I can afford a TVR

so does any other american/german whatever type of business in this country they will pay some sort of the tax to the government, I fail to see what your point is.


Dont we all, my point is that if we are encouraging illegal immegrants to come here and have money for nothing then what sort of message is that sending to our youth of today? they'll all grow up becoming dolers. we need to stop this and the first ste is to stop giving hand outs.



so your not whining about my "lack of knowledge" then?

so good to see some1 with inferior knowledge as yourself cant hack a debate and have to revert to personal insults as calling me a "grafftti'ed brick wall"

Everything I have to say is light hearted and I dont give 2 hoots because no matter how much time we spend here debating it nothing will every change anyhow, yet you have to be so high and mighty trying to look down upon others who care to share an opinion.

run along then.

Chip

Do they all drive BMs then. I'd never had noticed

Chip.

Prince Popeye

I thought it was old toyotas and nissans.

ANd please tell me why its ok for moses to say 'PAKIS'. If for instance I said that some PC do-gooder twit like Cosworth would call me a racist. Just shows the mentality on here.

OllyK

I don't see why in itself "Paki" should be offensive, it is an abbreviation of "Pakistani" the same as "Brit" is of British. The problem is it has been used to generalise anybody with Asian roots.

davegtt

there is no word what so ever IMO that is offensivve to any1, it only becomes offensive if a certain person decides thats how they will interpretate it.

some 1 calls u a cvnt. why is it offensive, I love a bit of the pink stuff its only offensive if I took offense to it

Dracoro

you idiot.

Jye

poopie, you are a TWIT, how's that for offensive

ProperCharlie

kinkompoop

sp?

Prince Popeye

LOL Jye you make me laugh you sad little man. You and Nacro are priceless if a little lacking in the intelligence department. Keep going.

OllyK

Mmmm - bit broader than that IMHO, how it is said is a big factory.
To a mate: "How you doing you old ****?"
is very different to
A guy in the pub "Look at me like that again you f'ing cu*t and I'll rip your head off"

Cosworth427

The difference is that British people actively use the abbreviation of "Brit" upon themselves, in a non derogative way. The term "Paki" originates as an offensive term, quite often used by anyone who has a dislike to Asian people.

In fact, which of these phrases do we hear more of?

1) "F***king paki..."
2) "I like the pakis, good people..."

Another question for some of you cowards hiding behind your computers, when has organisations such as the BNP and the general meat-head racist you meet on the street DID NOT use the term "Paki" when they intend to insult you???

And WHEN has a Black, Asian or whatever person complained that they cannot use the term "Honky"?

Keep up the double standards!

davegtt

I wouldnt be taking offensive to the cvnt part Id be a little on the worried side from ripping my head off

no I do agree with what your saying but if some1 did say that too you, how easy is it for you to just smile and turn away and not take any offense? its not hard, or u could take offence and retaliate

davegtt

so what about when the auzi's call us Poms??? do we cry about racist remarks no we dont.

no double standards coming from this way mate. thought you'd had it with this thread.

davegtt

well spotted

Prince Popeye

'Another question for some of you cowards hiding behind your computers, when has organisations such as the BNP and the general meat-head racist you meet on the street DID NOT use the term "Paki" when they intend to insult you???'

Cowards? What are you implying PC man? Actually Cosworth alot of black/asian gangs actually call themselves N*ggers or Pakis.

e.g Yo N*gger bro, hows it hangin?

That isn't used offensively. Its just in their jibe.

And by the way does the general meat head racist apply to all races as I've been called 'white trash' a few times??? But i forgot in these times only the white man can be racist. LOL

Jye

nincompoop I think PC or perhaps nincompoopie

Cosworth427

I only insult people who deserve it. And when I find that person... .... I make it CLEAR it is in my intention to insult. Unlike some of you chaps who say things like...

"oh, pakis should stay off the benefits, look after our OWN!, but I'm am not racist though. I got plenty of paki friends."

Laughable really... NEXT!

Talk about answering your own question ...

Now answer this....How many British citizens who happen to be in Australian, were then attacked, hurled abuse upon, and/or had their property vandaled by Australians simply because you was British?

Cosworth427

They do not represent all/the majority of Asian and Black communities. You might aswell say Asians & Blacks are violent, carry weapons, eat KFC and listen to hip-hop all day long because of these gang members.



Then go call your law abiding black/Asian bus driver, doctor or whatever that jibe, see how much of an idiot you really are. And see how stupid your logic is when you explain why you *think* it isnt offensive..


*plays violin* I've seen plenty of racism from different ethnic groups and it offends me just as much as your local meat-head. Come to London, around my local towns and you'll see the full of it.

OllyK

I don't follow your point. Nobody is saying that Brits don't get abused because of their country of origin. The comment was that the term "Pom" doesn't tend to bother many people over here, having your head kicked in is a different story.

I'd be interested to know of the Brits assulated etc in Australia what the break down of skin colour was. In other words is it a Aussie / Brit thing or a White / Non-White thing? So what do the Aussie call an non white Brit? A "Paki Pom"??

Redkop

Too many insults flying around - anymore and thread will be closed.