Wr1 test in EVO mag
06 April 2004, 08:23 AM
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I also remember a few "my Subaru is the best thing since sliced bread even in the wet" people being somewhat surprised about the M3`s performance in the wet
You see its all down to the driver
06 April 2004, 09:31 AM
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Exactly but I think I can handle a bit of rear wheel drive aswell you numptie.
Let me loose in that kit car thing and I`ll show you.
You dont even have to pay me like you did with that Westfield geezer!!!!!!
Let me loose in that kit car thing and I`ll show you.
You dont even have to pay me like you did with that Westfield geezer!!!!!!
06 April 2004, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Gangsta Smurf
O'Hara reminds me daily that you learnt all of your driving skills from him Arron!! Is this true, or is he suffering from fat head syndrome?
I can scare him with a Tesco`s trolley.He`s an overweight racing driver has been and he knows it.
Ask him about his enduro riding skills
06 April 2004, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Gangsta Smurf
It must be the George Michael CD he listens to whilst he's dusting and arranging his house plants ... made him go soft and lose the edge!!
06 April 2004, 09:41 AM
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trouble is I listen to the same cd mate
I have the Wham circa 1985 hairdo aswell!!!!
You cant beat it.
Andy is as bald as a coot so I know he really aspires to the mullet aswell but unfortunatly Timberland dont do haircuts otherwise he would have had a go ages ago
I have the Wham circa 1985 hairdo aswell!!!!
You cant beat it.
Andy is as bald as a coot so I know he really aspires to the mullet aswell but unfortunatly Timberland dont do haircuts otherwise he would have had a go ages ago
06 April 2004, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Gangsta Smurf
You should see him do the YMCA ... impressive!!!
I have heard from his missus that he is a bit of a careless whisper!!!
06 April 2004, 09:46 AM
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Gangsta,
I can't wait to rag the t*ts off your WR1 when you get it, and show you how an impreza with DCCCCCCCDDDD should be used properly
Arron,
No more lessons for you matey remember I am your master!
I can't wait to rag the t*ts off your WR1 when you get it, and show you how an impreza with DCCCCCCCDDDD should be used properly
Arron,
No more lessons for you matey
remember I am your master!
06 April 2004, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Andrew O'Hara
Gangsta,
I can't wait to rag the t*ts off your WR1 when you get it, and show you how an impreza with DCCCCCCCDDDD should be used properly
Arron,
No more lessons for you matey remember I am your master!
I can't wait to rag the t*ts off your WR1 when you get it, and show you how an impreza with DCCCCCCCDDDD should be used properly
Arron,
No more lessons for you matey
remember I am your master!How`s your pulled groin,arm,nesck,shoulder,other leg,back,femur,tibia........
Are you up for another 5 hour enduro next week then you muppet??
06 April 2004, 09:55 AM
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Problem is Andrew that you can't wear your non-chaffe super supple leather driving gloves and your leather biggles hat when you're driving my car!! How will you survive?
Hello Sailor!!
Hello Sailor!!
06 April 2004, 10:02 AM
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Andy I look forward to doing our own version of Mr Woods performance figures in Gangsta`s car too.
Just rob the keys when he isnt looking and come up north for some fun.
There`s a track day on at bedford on april 27th if he has it by then.
Yours faithfully George.
Just rob the keys when he isnt looking and come up north for some fun.
There`s a track day on at bedford on april 27th if he has it by then.
Yours faithfully George.
06 April 2004, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Andrew O'Hara
No worries mate, Gangsta's WR1 will look rather second hand after we have finished with it
There are some really good gravel stages near me where we used to test the rally car.
We`ll test the DCCDADCDRETDDW diff to the max!!!
06 April 2004, 10:19 AM
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Thats a good idea mate.
Bet Mike hasnt even done that test eh??
I reckon we could get it as high as the brick walls either side of the car????
Picking up the old fella`s VFR tomorrow afternoon mate.
Gonna rag it even tho its hasnt even had its first service yet.
its a Honda so it should be fine right???
A few rolling burnouts...oh **** its got dual brakes.
Wheelies it is then!!!
Bet Mike hasnt even done that test eh??
I reckon we could get it as high as the brick walls either side of the car????
Picking up the old fella`s VFR tomorrow afternoon mate.
Gonna rag it even tho its hasnt even had its first service yet.
its a Honda so it should be fine right???
A few rolling burnouts...oh **** its got dual brakes.
Wheelies it is then!!!
06 April 2004, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Gangsta Smurf
Oh and leaving his George Michael CD suggestively on the edge of his desk!
Just say no!!!!!
Or before you know it you`ll be covered from top to toe in TIMBERLAND!!!!
And there is no cure!!!I`m lucky cos I have the curable Hugo Boss disease but the felchers get the Timberland one...bad news.
06 April 2004, 06:46 PM
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Today i bought the evo issue of april ,but no wr1 and no t25 and no p1 ???
I bought the magazine with The Greatest Driver's Cars on the front?
Is that an older magazine or what? The cover says april??
I live in belgium maybe the no-uk version of the mag is different or so???????
I bought the magazine with The Greatest Driver's Cars on the front?
Is that an older magazine or what? The cover says april??
I live in belgium maybe the no-uk version of the mag is different or so???????
07 April 2004, 09:17 AM
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Have purchased said magazine.
Could have written my own one.
Would have probably said pretty much the same things.
We`ll see what delights the WR1 brings before I pass judment.
The T25 is on my very short list for my next car.
Next Xmas timw when Iain has dropped the price a bit and has a bomb proof warranty
Could have written my own one.
Would have probably said pretty much the same things.
We`ll see what delights the WR1 brings before I pass judment.
The T25 is on my very short list for my next car.
Next Xmas timw when Iain has dropped the price a bit
and has a bomb proof warranty
07 April 2004, 04:34 PM
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Sorry Mike - but things just dont add up
Originally Posted by MikeWood
It was WET
If anybody does not believe the figures I recorded I am quite happy to e-mail them the files from our Micro Sat test (GPS Datron equipment)
Also remember that the WR1 has beeen developed as a nice ROAD car and does not have road legal race tyres fitted so it's got loads of grip on a flat race circuit.
Mike
If anybody does not believe the figures I recorded I am quite happy to e-mail them the files from our Micro Sat test (GPS Datron equipment)
Also remember that the WR1 has beeen developed as a nice ROAD car and does not have road legal race tyres fitted so it's got loads of grip on a flat race circuit.
Mike
I for one am totaly amazed at this sort of response. When the STI PPP didnt do what it was supposed to ("i can get 0-60 in 4.6 secs all day") - Mike says its heat soak.
Now his WR1 gets stonked by the imports.. not just on the track but on the acceleration tests - and he's saying its down to the tyres.... and if you want his figures you can have them..... and even tests his car for us that very day with nice figures
AND its not a race track car its designed for the road... 
WHY ARE PRODRIVE'S QUOTED FIGURES NEVER OBTAINABLE OTHER THAN ON MIKES TEST TRACK????
I SMELL RATS - LOTS OF THEM. It's not good enough to ignore the facts presented with the usual "it drives really well let me show you" stuff Mike. If you quote something and it doesnt add up when someone else tests it - either
a) They had a bad example or a problem with (both) the cars tested
or
b) Your cars a hell of a lot quicker than the ones they test
or
c) Banbury petrol has Nitrous in it
or
d) The figures you quote are rubbish - your 320 horses are only tiny horses compared to the "import cars" horses and dont make the car accelerate the same way as they do on the test
Which is it? What excuse do you have for 2 consecutive tests of "your cars" by reputable magazines concluding that your quotes are unobtainable in the car supplied?
FYI by the way i like the look of the WR1 on paper - am considering buying one. But i want to know that what i'm paying for "on the tin" is what i get when i open that tin...... and so far Mike, your in danger of upsetting my own "trading standards" on this one!!!!!
SO PLEASE MIKE - TELL ME WHY TWO TESTS IN A ROW DONT SHOW YOUR QUOTED FIGURES...
Jza
07 April 2004, 10:34 PM
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That's very easy....
The car I did the figures with on Monday, went down to Power Engineering on Tuesday and produced 318bhp. It's done 2000 miles.
The car I did the original figures with produces about 8 bhp more at the wheels on that dyno but similar flywheel figures so the extra (hard!) miles obviously makes a difference to the frictional losses.
When we do the testing on our track we log the ECU and all the additional sensors we fit to test cars so we make sure that water and intake temps are as they would be in normal driving (you know what's coming next......) I'm not sure what EVO did with their testing but they would not have access to the same info and as we put protection into the ECU for both high intake and water temps this may have had an effect on the numbers. Fairly obviously I made sure the test was not affected adversely in this way.
I have the numbers somewhere for the WRX testing as well, do you want me to post them too?
Mike
That's very easy....
The car I did the figures with on Monday, went down to Power Engineering on Tuesday and produced 318bhp. It's done 2000 miles.
The car I did the original figures with produces about 8 bhp more at the wheels on that dyno but similar flywheel figures so the extra (hard!) miles obviously makes a difference to the frictional losses.
When we do the testing on our track we log the ECU and all the additional sensors we fit to test cars so we make sure that water and intake temps are as they would be in normal driving (you know what's coming next......) I'm not sure what EVO did with their testing but they would not have access to the same info and as we put protection into the ECU for both high intake and water temps this may have had an effect on the numbers. Fairly obviously I made sure the test was not affected adversely in this way.
I have the numbers somewhere for the WRX testing as well, do you want me to post them too?
Mike
07 April 2004, 11:33 PM
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So out of interest, was the EVO test an officially sanctioned one by Prodrive? If so, why on earth did you leave them to it without prodrive representation? Especially if I have got this right, there are some circs where the WR1 ECU de-tunes the performance by design?
That's as mad as my other fav car manufacturer giving EVO a 'badly set up' Caterham Superlight R400 to test and then acting like the poor showing was someone else's fault!!
Graham
That's as mad as my other fav car manufacturer giving EVO a 'badly set up' Caterham Superlight R400 to test and then acting like the poor showing was someone else's fault!!
Graham
08 April 2004, 12:11 AM
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Graham
You are correct in saying that the ECU detunes performance in some conditions, you wouldn't expect that it could safely let the engine be worked as hard in 40C ambient as it would at 10C.
Subaru UK run the Press cars, not Prodrive and they, like most other manufacturers just send the cars to the Press. Only owners/small companies generally accompany the cars on the sort of tests that have been done recently as they take their own cars along.
Yes, we would have liked to have been there but we weren't invited.... The Type 25's tyres might have been as worn as the WR1's if I have been able to drive it round Bedford then
Mike
You are correct in saying that the ECU detunes performance in some conditions, you wouldn't expect that it could safely let the engine be worked as hard in 40C ambient as it would at 10C.
Subaru UK run the Press cars, not Prodrive and they, like most other manufacturers just send the cars to the Press. Only owners/small companies generally accompany the cars on the sort of tests that have been done recently as they take their own cars along.
Yes, we would have liked to have been there but we weren't invited.... The Type 25's tyres might have been as worn as the WR1's if I have been able to drive it round Bedford then
Mike
08 April 2004, 12:41 AM
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And as for john felsteads view on comparing geometry set ups, I am sorry but that is just nonsense. The cars were supplied to the test with the knowledge of what they were intended for. The settings are the preferred settings of the car as they are intended to be sold. Everyone has their own settings which they prefer, but most buyers will leave it as the manufacturer intended.
Adam, i dont normally talk nonsense when it comes to Impreza suspension setup and i am not in this case. Some companies do alter the geometries for magazine track tests, that is a fact. Some companies dont change the geometries for magazine track tests. IM dont, and in my opinion they are being stupid and shooting themselves in the foot with this policy, they should play the game like almost everyone else does.
Until magazines do a proper test of these cars with suspension data, they are a waste of time and dont achieve anything concrete to use as a reference, hence why i always suggest you ignore magazine articles and test drive the cars, talk to the supliers then make a decision.