chrisp

That 1649kgs figure is obviously with driver and fuel as kerb weight is only 1470kgs

chrisp

so add 200kgs to mine

276/1440 = 191bhp/tonne

Time for a 300+bhp remap me thinks

subaruwr1

yeah but thats 4 years depreciation.Not 1!!!!

chrisp

I never said they did but the biggest deprerciation will be the first year

chrisp

Thats 13k over 4 years which is 3250/year but depreciation generally gets less as cars get older most cars are worth less the 50% after three years so the P1 has done well.

chrisp

Mind due these guys are selling WR1s for £27,677(delivered) with the 320ps engine (click technical button)

http://www.micronetshowroom.com/cate...ZA&UID=777141+

GimmeMore

This is probably speculative as I phoned them twice asking for a WR1 and I was told that they could get em but no returned calls .... also email has received no response .. well I hope it's speculative as I got one on order!

gnome

Well guys i am on my 3rd impreza and i am driving a sti8 ppp and it is the most amazing car i have drove, i have ordered a wr1 and was hoping to get in july before i go to silverstone, but after reading all your coments i must admit i have a few doubts as it has cost me £29,000 with upgrades flaps and wheels as i will only get about £23,000 for it when changing it. My wife would kill me if i was not happy. I hope when i see it in the flesh and it gets some better reviews i will be 100% happy again.

scoobynutta555

we'll see in a years time then won't we

Difficult to compare what youre saying to a P1 though. The P1 was the last high spec UK impreza launched in the classic shape. Whereas, if you're into new shapes you'll have a much wider range of options in a year. If the 2.5 came out officially the wr1 will go the way the uk300 did.

scoobynutta555

Also i purchased my new P1 for £29000 not £31000 or the official list price of £31,500. That was with trading in a grey import sti5typeR.

Brian the Sn@il

I was told the P1 was 38K at new ??

Nick

That was the P1 with WR pack (£37 IIRC)

chrisp

£37,847 p1 wr

£31,500 p1

DR Motorsport

I'm sure that everyone who has ordered up a WR1 will be more than happy with them, but future depreciation / desirability / etc will all depend on future Subaru limited edition models.

In the late 90's we had the Catalunya, Terzo, RB5, and finally the P1. Each one brought out on a yearly basis, and each one slightly better than the previous one.

I think it would be a fair bet that when we get to the end of the current body shape in 2006, the final models could very well have the 2.5 engine fitted as a run out model.

But for this year the WR1 is the official UK car to have.

I personally haven't ordered one (I really didn't like the colour when I saw it, and I think it could be it's main failing). But I went the JDM route last time, and I think the next time a Type 25 would be very nice - unless something better comes along next year !!!!

David

Fidd

WR1 peeps will be VERY happy !!

The Evo mag test is a comparison test, not a buyers guide !!

No one will read it and say ' lets cancel the WR1 and find a 4 year old P1 !!' will they ??

The peeps who buy them want a new car, the performance, the warranty, the local dealer support and all that stuff.

T5NYW

iTrader: (4)

Finally got to read the artical in EVO

I personally think the WR1 is quite good value for money in comparison to a MY04STiUK with PPP,PHP and 18". And what the Artical missed, was having a MY04STiUKPPP!! IMHO

'UK' or 'Import' that is the real Question which leaves 2 choices

WR1 or STi04PPP

Spec "C" or Type25

IMHO

Tony

Ps was it Litcho driving the WR1 in the 'drifting picture'

johnfelstead

Just got back from the 'ring and disapointed to not have a reply from Mike. I was being serious! It is the ultimate venue to find out the strengths and weaknesses of a car and cut the bull you read when testing on a UK track, which simply cant tell you what the car will be like on the roads we have to drive.

On my way there i dropped in at Powerstation to have some work carried out on my car and had the oportunity to drive the T25 for a few miles on the road. It wasnt in full on spec yet, just a few of the parts to go on, i was also taking it easy on public roads so havnt had a proper feel of the car at the high end limits in its as sold spec level. Hopefully that can happen in the future.

First impresions are very good. The suspension gives a fabulous ride, it still had the stock ARB's on which are changed as part of the T25 spec and i can see straight away why they are needed on this car. The ride comfort levels were very good for a coilover setup, surprisingly quiet too. The engine is just about perfect for fast B road progress, the car very much had the feel of a good spec Classic 300BHP STi RA in terms of raw speed and acceleration in the lower gears and pulled stronger higher up the speed range, all this in the heavier and more civilised new age shell. Very impresive. I would like the chance to drive it properly now, at the 'ring would be quite something. (you have to dream )

Whilst i was at nurburg i met the test driver for Subaru Japan, he was there testing the next generation Spec C out later this year and showing the car to a few japanese journalists. The new Spec C has some very interesting changes.

ARRON BIRD

Such as????
wide boy
John dont forget Prodrive arnt marketing the WR as a track tool but as a road car!!!!!!!

johnfelstead

I know Arron, thats why i say they should do these articles at the nurburgring, it's far more informative than any UK race circuit could ever be in terms of real fast pace road driving dynamics. I am not sure how in the public domain the changes are so wont say for now, i'll ask about that and if i can, fill you in later. Someone with a keen eye would be able to spot one of the more significant changes.

Fidd

That is true what you say IMO. Having the P1 there is OK for straightfoward comparison of figures purposes, but other than that it seems a bit daft put an older generation 2 door car in with the others there.

It would have interesting to have seen a new STi in there in some form or another.

One reaction that seems to have come out a fair bit is 'if only I could still buy a new P1'

ARRON BIRD

You`ll not be fillin me in later!!!!! pervert
Give us a call mate.
You didnt lob it into a barrier then???
Obviousley not tryin hard enough!!

johnfelstead

LOL, you can call me, why should i pay your phone bills.

Nope, survived yet another visit to the ring intact, (and i was tryin hard enough, honest. ) cant say the same for everyone else though, but thats normal unfortunately.

scoobynutta555

One reaction that seems to have come out a fair bit is 'if only I could still buy a new P1'

Interesting comment

greasemonkey

More interesting than you think. Everyone knows by now that Prodrive are at the prototype stage with a classic shape shell and full six speed manual/twin scroll turbo MY03/04 drivetrain.

It's currently lingering under a cover story (that it's Simon Lines' weekend project), but anyone can see it's a proper job. Just check out this thread for details on the car we'll all be lusting after next year!

scoobynutta555

thats a car that i want!

P1/22b shell and original cosmetics and full six speed manual/twin scroll turbo MY03/04 drivetrain, with a uk warranty.

Where do i sign up for one?

Fidd

LOL .... Think it might be a tad pricey

johnfelstead

and illegal to sell as a new car in europe.

Fidd

Surely some way round any legislation preventing it ????

It could never be a serious commercial venture anyway ??

Subaru are forging ahead with the latest generation cars, what with the talk of a 2.5 and body change coming up possibly soon ( ish ).

jason4656

i have read 10 pages of this thread, sorry cant take anymore, i want to know from a couple of u car technical boffins, whats the benefits of the 2.5 bottom end?? over the standard 2ltr jdm sti bottom end?

as far as i know, but im far from an expert, the quality of the components in the standard 2ltr will let it rev alot higher and take lot more stick, also i would imagine its easily good for 350+bhp and similar torque lb/ft, so i was thinking that the standard cast pistons and crank in the 2.5 would not be as strong??

thanks in advance

Jason

greasemonkey

Bigger displacement means the engine develops more power and torque by itself, before you even think about the turbo, so less boost needed to achieve a certain output. Also, when you do start thinking about the turbo, bigger displacement means more exhaust gas at less revs, and more exhaust gas means more to spool and drive the turbo, so low end response should improve markedly.

If all other things are equal, an engine of smaller bore and stroke would be capable of revving higher, yes, due to less rotating/reciprocating mass reducing stress on the stressed bits. However, the 2.5 seems to rev safely to 7,000rpm, which is more than enough to get very good outputs from it.