WR1

Hmmm. I ordered 15th January and no delivery date as yet. I know others on here who ordered well before me who have not got delivery dates yet either. What's Subaru up to I wonder. I wonder if they are planning on sending out all the car's in one hit now to arrive on 28th May. Would be nice to think so

Adam M

WR1,

I think you may be confused.

The GPS detectors are not detectors. All they do is cross reference your position with that of a known and stored database which has the gps positions of the fixed speed cameras and also some of the known positions where mobile cameras are often placed.

They therefore do not detect anything and do not know if the cameras are active or not. The gps detectors do not pick up any signal from the cameras at all. If the compilers of the database were so inclined they could warn you when you are approaching a macdonalds or a bus stop neither of which emits anything more than a foul smell.

The trouble is GPS is often not enough as it only protects against fixed installation cameras and potentially known mobile locations. With this in mind, some companies supply their gps units with add on detectors for radar or laser so that you have a chance if you come across a mobile site which is not in the database such as the "safety" vans which can go and hide anywhere.

These may use radar or laser so for ultimate protection, you need to be able to detect both and preferably jam the laser. This is because detecting laser is useless as it is often too late. This is not the case with lasers.

So ultimately you want one unit which can gps locate fixed units, jam lasers and radar detect safety vans and other mobile traps.

The origin b2 comes with a laser detector and later this year they are producing a radar detector add on. They already sell the interface to combine it with an lrc 100 jammer (has a new name which I dont know). This wth all these extras will give you as much protection as is currently available.

The road angel comes with a radar detector I believe and can also be interfaced with an lrc 100 so also will do what you need. It is however bulky and ugly, and if I am nto mistaken has no remote aerial which means it must sit in sight of the sky which normally means on the dash board.

The Origin B2 however is the size of a pack of cards which has a cradle mounted anywhere you like in the car. The cradle is permanently connected to the gps aerial and radar/laser detector/jammer and all you need do is pop the unit into the cradle.

This means it is small and easily removed from the car or in my case having bought a second cradle for my second car, easily moved between cars.

It also presents more information than the angel and has a larger screen whle being a neater package once installd in the car.

Mine is actually hidden out of site in the central tray of the dash board and is loud enough to be heard with the lid closed so that it doesn't interfere with the look of the interior.

The road pilot looks good also, but seems to be loaded with too much satellite related information. I am not interested in using my b2 for navigation, but having said that, there is an output to share the gps aerial should I want to plug in a suitably loaded tom tom or pda. The road pilot also seems to come with an elaborate bracket which requires that it hangs from a sucker attached to the windscreen.

To me this is untidy and less than ideal as I like my interior to be as uncluttered as possible without me losing out on the total protection which the b2 gives me.

On top of this it can be had initially for £350.

to my knolwdge you can get an lrc100 add on for £200 and the radar detector through origin coming out this summer is rumoured to be £80 to £100.

I hope this helps in some way.

WR1

Probably, doesn't take much...

Must admit I didn't realise the difference between lasers and radars.

Thanks for the explanation, has both helped and hindered but in a good way if you know what I mean. I'm now less swayed by the Road Pilot again, just as I was thinking I knew what I intended to do. Decisions eh!

The Origin B2 that you mention, did you post a picture on here a while back showing the install at the bottom of your dash? Was a nice tidy install and I did like the fact that it was out of sight. Being able to remove it from the car sounds a good idea as well. I've also seen quite a few other people praise the Origin B2 which is good.

I'm less inclined towards the Road Angel now. So, looks like my choice is being wittled down to either the Origin B2 or Road Pilot.

What's the score with the LRC100, are these road legal now?

Thanks

Nick

WR1

I got the delivery date because I kept hassling my dealer. This encouraged the dealer to call Subaru & ask. I would have thought that your own delivery date is before my own.

Nevetas

No that would of been me

Phil

The Road Pilot can be ordered with a Radar Detector attachment, like mine
You can then set what speed you want it to be active

Speak to Tim at the Mobilecentre.co.uk he will explain all

Adam M

now that is a nice feature.

I hope they can do the same on the b2 set up when it comes out.

I will email them and suggest that they incorporate that as a feature.

What would also be good would be if they could cross reference that speed which you set against the speed limit at the most recent speed camera passed and give you an option of whether you want it to remain at that level.

This is because the B2 only knows the speed limit at the location of known speed cameras. It doesn't know the limit everywhere.

Nevetas

Indeed, that would be nice

dba

you need to be able to detect both and preferably jam the laser.

pointless trying,the laser beam is the size of a 10p and it takes 0.3 of a sec to latch on,and only Schumacher gets near that on his brakes

and.............if you jam,their handhelds will bleep like mad so they will pull you anyway

Phil

Worked for me last night, wasn't speeding but it jammed the gun and warned me.

Adam M

I was actually being pedantic with that comment.

You need to detect the laser first in order to jam it, thus detecting both and preferably jamming the laser.

They can pull you all you want but my laser jammer is an automatic garage door opener.

Case law has shown onl one person ever successfully prosecuted for using a laser jammer as the law relating to emitting light is very ambiguous at that frequency. technically all remote controls, CD and DVD players would then become illegal!

Phil

must get round to building the garage so I can use mine

WR1

Yep, that was the one. I'm still undecided but I think I've narrowed it down to two possibles, being the B2 and the Road Pilot. Of the two I do prefer the install of the B2 but having the thing work is more important.

Nevetas and Phil, did you do the installs yourself? I'd be looking to have the unit fitted for me as I won't have time to fit it myself.

Actually, I've sussed how to work out what is best. If Nevetas and Phil would loan me their cars for a couple of weeks each until the WR1 arrives I could probably work out easier which I prefer

Nevetas

Lee @ Autosparks did my install. He was recommended by mobilecentre.co.uk.

07974 380062

Mobile Installer

Adam M

WR1, I dont get what the problem is?

I have no knowledge of the road pilot but both systems rely on the same technology used to deliver cruise missiles.

Having said that, ironically it isnt rocket science. I have never picked up the instruction manual for the B2 except when deciding where to put the gps aerial and I fitted it myself with extreme ease in both cars. (second kit was £70 extra but came with an extra laser detector and was well worth it). the hardest bit for me was installing the software to update the thing, but still damn easy.

In the year or so I have been running it, it has never missed a single fixed installation camera. I have only once had it through specs regions where it told me the cameras were specs cameras, which of the mulitple cameras I was going through att he time and continued to warn me all the way through if I exceeded the limit required by them.

(specs cameras come in groups of at least 2 to measure your average speed over a longer distance).

The unit has worked flawlessly, but I think I can safely say that the road pilot would be equally good and consistent.

WR1

Thanks for the info. mobilecentre.co.uk are obviously very popular, both you and Phil recommend them. I'll give them a call me thinks

Thanks everyone.

WR1

My problem is I cannot make my mind up which of the two I prefer. They both seem to be equally good at what they do. If one was crap and the other really good the decision would be easy...

Nevetas

That boils down to:

Do you need a big screen that tells you where to go (roadpilot), or do you prefer a small discreet screen, that doesn't tell you where to go (origin).

WR1

Probably not, my wife always tells me where to go as it is...

Nevetas

origin b2 it is then

Adam M

I can tell you where to go if you like.

Phil

The mounting gives me an eye level speedo



The additional Radar Detector neatly fitted



The LRC100 also discretly fitted




On/Off Switch for the LRC100


Warning light for the LRC100


All fitted by Pulse Car Audio in Stanford le Hope in less than a hour

WR1

Okay, serious again for a minute.

So, the Road Pilot has a built in SatNav thing, am I understanding this right? If so, sounds good and would probably swing things for me.

Suddenly feel like I'm getting close to making a decision

Phil

The Road Pilot can plot where you have been so you can retrace you steps

But for True Sat I have this



Ipaq 2200 with Tomtom Software Blue Tooth GPS receiver

It also has the Camera Locations in it

WR1

Phil,

Thanks for the images, all looks very good. Stanford-Le-Hope is not too far away from me either which would be good. I think I'm sold on the Road Pilot then with the LRC jammer. The only reason for this to be honest though is the NAV.

All I need now is the WR1 to put them on


Thanks everyone for your time on this.

WR1

WR1

Oh, now you've done it!! Just as I thought I had made my mind up...

Phil, what does the Ipaq do that the Road Pilot doesn't then, what advantage does having both give you? I thought the Road Pilot had the camera locations in.

stiks

Sorry - going slightly off thread but I have an IPAQ 5450. Where's the best place to get the tom tom reciever and all the software from. Id like to use the blue tooth on it too if possible. Bit wary of a private sale on E bay

Phil

Road Pilot does have all the Camera Locations in [update via USB Craddle]

The Ipaq does not have a Radar detector and is really only there for my Sat Nav requirements and of course all that goes with a palm computer

Stiks try www.holux.com

salsa-king

my head hurts even more now!