MY02 STi PPP or MY03 STi???
16 April 2004, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by YorkshireSimon
Well if this helps, if I were to sell mine right now:
MY02 STI
PPP
WR Mud Flaps (Genuine Subaru Items)
Defi Gauges Tripple Centre Pod (EGT, Oil Temp, Boost)
19' OZ Wheels
Prodrive Hella FF1000 Lamp Kit and Covers
DBA 4000 Brake discs all round + Pagid Pads
STI Carbon Reflectors
29,000 miles
Lots of typical Subaru front end stone chips on bonnet and bumper
I would be looking for around 18 to 18.5k... Would be happy with 18.5k!!
If the car you are looking at is immaculate, and I mean totally mint paint wise at the front end, I reckon this 19.3k is not far off the mark, bearing in mind the PPP and the wheels. Surely you could get he/she down to 19k for the sale tho....
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MY02 STI
PPP
WR Mud Flaps (Genuine Subaru Items)
Defi Gauges Tripple Centre Pod (EGT, Oil Temp, Boost)
19' OZ Wheels
Prodrive Hella FF1000 Lamp Kit and Covers
DBA 4000 Brake discs all round + Pagid Pads
STI Carbon Reflectors
29,000 miles
Lots of typical Subaru front end stone chips on bonnet and bumper
I would be looking for around 18 to 18.5k... Would be happy with 18.5k!!
If the car you are looking at is immaculate, and I mean totally mint paint wise at the front end, I reckon this 19.3k is not far off the mark, bearing in mind the PPP and the wheels. Surely you could get he/she down to 19k for the sale tho....
Cheers
Simon
I'm going to see the car next week and I'll tell him I'm only willing to pay £19,000.
It's a MY02 '52 plate Prodrive Style Type UK with PPP.
I may like the MY03 STi a lot and go for that instead. I'm going to look at it tomorrow.
One thing putting me off is how close the MY02 is to its 30,000 mile service which I've been quoted at £440
16 April 2004, 11:51 AM
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Yes it is an official Subaru/Prodrive kit. The replacement covers painted in WR Blue with the holes for the lamps are £350 from the dealer alone, that's before you buy the lamps. However, I was lucky enough to pick the full lamp and cover kit up here on SNet for a fraction of the cost
Steve
Yeah, the 30k service is a a bit of a killer, I have just done mine a couple of weeks ago, but mine was due to 12 months since previous service... £415 I paid, FWIW.
One thing the dealer may budge on is the service. If you offer 19,300 but insist that they throw the labour in FOC on the 30k service, that's worth around £200 alone. And don't let them kid you, the labour costs more than the parts on this service!!
Price sounds very reasonable then bearing in mind it's a dealer! Same old story, buy from private seller, and get more for ya money I guess...
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Simon
Yes it is an official Subaru/Prodrive kit. The replacement covers painted in WR Blue with the holes for the lamps are £350 from the dealer alone, that's before you buy the lamps. However, I was lucky enough to pick the full lamp and cover kit up here on SNet for a fraction of the cost
Steve
Yeah, the 30k service is a a bit of a killer, I have just done mine a couple of weeks ago, but mine was due to 12 months since previous service... £415 I paid, FWIW.
One thing the dealer may budge on is the service. If you offer 19,300 but insist that they throw the labour in FOC on the 30k service, that's worth around £200 alone. And don't let them kid you, the labour costs more than the parts on this service!!
Price sounds very reasonable then bearing in mind it's a dealer! Same old story, buy from private seller, and get more for ya money I guess...
Cheers
Simon
16 April 2004, 11:56 AM
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Thanks for that Simon. They look really good, but they're a bit pricey aint they 
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I notice you've got 19" wheels. I'm looking to get some for my MY02 STi and was trying to decide whether to go for 18s ot 19s (gonna keep the original 17s for track days).
Do the 19s make for a very hard ride (bearing in mind that I live in pot hole city and have the Prodrive spring kit fitted), or are they ok for day to day driving?
Thanks again,
Iain
. I notice you've got 19" wheels. I'm looking to get some for my MY02 STi and was trying to decide whether to go for 18s ot 19s (gonna keep the original 17s for track days).
Do the 19s make for a very hard ride (bearing in mind that I live in pot hole city and have the Prodrive spring kit fitted), or are they ok for day to day driving?
Thanks again,
Iain
16 April 2004, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by steve_g
It's from a Subaru dealer and he wanted 19,500 but would only budge by £200
I'm going to see the car next week and I'll tell him I'm only willing to pay £19,000.
It's a MY02 '52 plate Prodrive Style Type UK with PPP.
I may like the MY03 STi a lot and go for that instead. I'm going to look at it tomorrow.
One thing putting me off is how close the MY02 is to its 30,000 mile service which I've been quoted at £440
I'm going to see the car next week and I'll tell him I'm only willing to pay £19,000.
It's a MY02 '52 plate Prodrive Style Type UK with PPP.
I may like the MY03 STi a lot and go for that instead. I'm going to look at it tomorrow.
One thing putting me off is how close the MY02 is to its 30,000 mile service which I've been quoted at £440
I could have probably haggled a bit more , but it was on the forecourt at £20995.
16 April 2004, 12:05 PM
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The 19" wheels are fine for normal day to day driving. I have the standard STI springs on mine thought, so this might make a difference. I guess you'll know what the difference between standard and Prodrive is like when it comes to stiffer setup.
Very BIG pot holes do go with a big thud, but for the most part, they are absolutely fine.
As for tyres, mine have Toyo T1-S's on, don't do it. Road noise is exceptional! I will not be replacing them with Toyos when they get changed, but with the mileage I do, I think I am stuck with them for another year or so.
I like you am now going to use the 17" wheels for track day fun...
Cheers
Simon
Very BIG pot holes do go with a big thud, but for the most part, they are absolutely fine.
As for tyres, mine have Toyo T1-S's on, don't do it. Road noise is exceptional! I will not be replacing them with Toyos when they get changed, but with the mileage I do, I think I am stuck with them for another year or so.
I like you am now going to use the 17" wheels for track day fun...
Cheers
Simon
16 April 2004, 12:10 PM
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Cool. The prodrive spring haven't made a vast difference to the ride comfort other than making it slightly stiffer, (the bumps are not very much worse). The whole car wallows much less when going around bends, and generally feels more predictable. Sounds as though 19s might be ok....
Thanks for that
Thanks for that
16 April 2004, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkshireSimon
I think that coming from a Civic Type R to a non PPP'd STI, you will be very dissappointed with the performance, IMHO. I have driven both, standard STI would have to be driven to the point of clutch destruction, just to stay with it from a standing start... No kidding!!
Agree with Russell as well! Surely you will loose more money on the MY03 that costs more, simply has more to depreciate. The people who have lost out in a big way are people like me and Russell who bought the MY02 STI, IMO it's done all it's crazy depreciation now, and it ain't going to shed loads of value over the next 2 years or so.
Also remember that the Impreza 3 design will be facelifted in the next 2 years also, which will no doubt hit the MY03 values more thah the MY02. Again, my opinion, and maybe slightly biased as I have the MY02 STI PPP. I have had this since new so have had plenty of experience with the car when it had no PPP (had to wait 9 months for Prodrive to get it out of the factory!!).
And with a few pounds spent on wheels and additional lighting features on the MY02 STI, you could have one looking like this:
These standard STI bug eyes are pretty good lighting unit also. It not just about out well they look, they are very effective on the road..
Just my two pence worth...
Whichever car you get though, they are both great. Just make sure you get PPP'd one...
Simon
Agree with Russell as well! Surely you will loose more money on the MY03 that costs more, simply has more to depreciate. The people who have lost out in a big way are people like me and Russell who bought the MY02 STI, IMO it's done all it's crazy depreciation now, and it ain't going to shed loads of value over the next 2 years or so.
Also remember that the Impreza 3 design will be facelifted in the next 2 years also, which will no doubt hit the MY03 values more thah the MY02. Again, my opinion, and maybe slightly biased as I have the MY02 STI PPP. I have had this since new so have had plenty of experience with the car when it had no PPP (had to wait 9 months for Prodrive to get it out of the factory!!).
And with a few pounds spent on wheels and additional lighting features on the MY02 STI, you could have one looking like this:
These standard STI bug eyes are pretty good lighting unit also. It not just about out well they look, they are very effective on the road..
Just my two pence worth...
Whichever car you get though, they are both great. Just make sure you get PPP'd one...
Simon
I've had my sti a year this September and I still don't need the PPP.
I would get a 03sti non ppp, but hey that's just my opinion.
Enjoy
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16 April 2004, 12:19 PM
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Pretty much the same with mine. Car wallowing is almost non-existent now even with standard springs. I had/have Goodyear GSD3's on the 17's, which felt like a Range Rover in high speed corners....
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Simon
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16 April 2004, 12:21 PM
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Dipster,
Yep, everyone has there own opinions... I just found the car undriveable without PPP. Many others on here will say the same thing also.
If yours works for you, then you do right to stay as you are...
For Steve though, and anyone else coming into the Scoob scene with no prior driving experience, they should test both. And test them well, private roads and all....
Si
Yep, everyone has there own opinions...
I just found the car undriveable without PPP. Many others on here will say the same thing also. If yours works for you, then you do right to stay as you are...
For Steve though, and anyone else coming into the Scoob scene with no prior driving experience, they should test both. And test them well, private roads and all....
Si
16 April 2004, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkshireSimon
Dipster,
Yep, everyone has there own opinions... I just found the car undriveable without PPP. Many others on here will say the same thing also.
If yours works for you, then you do right to stay as you are...
For Steve though, and anyone else coming into the Scoob scene with no prior driving experience, they should test both. And test them well, private roads and all....
Si
Yep, everyone has there own opinions...
I just found the car undriveable without PPP. Many others on here will say the same thing also. If yours works for you, then you do right to stay as you are...
For Steve though, and anyone else coming into the Scoob scene with no prior driving experience, they should test both. And test them well, private roads and all....
Si
The non ppp sti needs more revs to stop it boggling down. It certainly comes alive with revs.
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16 April 2004, 12:36 PM
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Thanks for all the feedback everyone.
I'm testing the MY03 tomorrow and I'll have a test of the MY02 PPP next week so I'll make my mind up then.
I'll let you know what I decide.
I'm testing the MY03 tomorrow and I'll have a test of the MY02 PPP next week so I'll make my mind up then.
I'll let you know what I decide.
16 April 2004, 12:40 PM
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I just found the car undriveable without PPP
It might be underpowered but hardly undriveable - surely the PPP only increases acceleration - the rest of the car is pretty much the same - explain some more about the non-PPP un-driveability characteristics please
16 April 2004, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkshireSimon
I just found the car undriveable without PPP. Many others on here will say the same thing also.
Going from a PPP'd RB5 to the STi8 was initially a problem. While the feeling of acceleration was faster in the STi overall, I wasn't able to drive anywhere near as quick.
Added front strutt brace, then changed to S-03 tyres and then last week changed to 18" P-WRC1's with Eagle F1's. The Strutt brace and the 18's made the most noticeable change and since fitting the 18's the STi is finally a car to better the RB5 PPP. Still don't feel the need for PPP on the STi... would be nice to have more power but not really necessary at the moment. At least I now feel like I have a car that can handle the PPP.
IMHO, the problems I had with the 03 STi are due to the fact that I went from one of the best set-up Impreza's of all time, so I was very, very, fussy! To go from a Civic Type-R to a standard 03 STi, you'd probably find the handling and performance amazing. Its all a matter of what your used to driving!
16 April 2004, 12:53 PM
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Like Dipster has already said, the car bogs down very easily without PPP. Driving around town and having to give it 5000 rpm just to get the thing moving is what I mean by undriveable. I agree it is a flying machine when it gets going tho.
Each to their own at the end of the day. Just expressing my experiences and opinions, and doing my bit for upholding the MY02 against MY03 car
Cheers
Si
Like Dipster has already said, the car bogs down very easily without PPP. Driving around town and having to give it 5000 rpm just to get the thing moving is what I mean by undriveable. I agree it is a flying machine when it gets going tho.
Each to their own at the end of the day. Just expressing my experiences and opinions, and doing my bit for upholding the MY02 against MY03 car
Cheers
Si
16 April 2004, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BMWhere?
I found my STi8 undrivable at first, but thats 'cos of handling issues. I don't think PPP would have made any difference to the drivability.
Going from a PPP'd RB5 to the STi8 was initially a problem. While the feeling of acceleration was faster in the STi overall, I wasn't able to drive anywhere near as quick.
Added front strutt brace, then changed to S-03 tyres and then last week changed to 18" P-WRC1's with Eagle F1's. The Strutt brace and the 18's made the most noticeable change and since fitting the 18's the STi is finally a car to better the RB5 PPP. Still don't feel the need for PPP on the STi... would be nice to have more power but not really necessary at the moment. At least I now feel like I have a car that can handle the PPP.
IMHO, the problems I had with the 03 STi are due to the fact that I went from one of the best set-up Impreza's of all time, so I was very, very, fussy! To go from a Civic Type-R to a standard 03 STi, you'd probably find the handling and performance amazing. Its all a matter of what your used to driving!
Going from a PPP'd RB5 to the STi8 was initially a problem. While the feeling of acceleration was faster in the STi overall, I wasn't able to drive anywhere near as quick.
Added front strutt brace, then changed to S-03 tyres and then last week changed to 18" P-WRC1's with Eagle F1's. The Strutt brace and the 18's made the most noticeable change and since fitting the 18's the STi is finally a car to better the RB5 PPP. Still don't feel the need for PPP on the STi... would be nice to have more power but not really necessary at the moment. At least I now feel like I have a car that can handle the PPP.
IMHO, the problems I had with the 03 STi are due to the fact that I went from one of the best set-up Impreza's of all time, so I was very, very, fussy! To go from a Civic Type-R to a standard 03 STi, you'd probably find the handling and performance amazing. Its all a matter of what your used to driving!
I suppose we all have different descriptions of the word "undriveable"!
16 April 2004, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ProdriveSTI
Steve g - What colours are you test driving tomz.... 03 =? 02PPP = ?
MY02 PPP is Black Mica
16 April 2004, 01:37 PM
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Why thank you.
I went for it, as only 100 were made in that colour.
ONly had the wheels on a few wheels, but they have totally transformed the look of the car, from those gold ones
I went for it, as only 100 were made in that colour.
ONly had the wheels on a few wheels, but they have totally transformed the look of the car, from those gold ones
16 April 2004, 01:38 PM
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Si - I think the 03 STi has several problems - but acceleration is nowhere near the top of the list . (And none of them make the car "undriveable" - well not by my Low standards 
).
I wouldn't want to put anyone off the 03 STi (and no one who's been in my STD car has said - "Oooooh it's a bit sluggish and wallowy"). Although the wife doesn't like the bounce much .
. (And none of them make the car "undriveable" - well not by my Low standards ).I wouldn't want to put anyone off the 03 STi (and no one who's been in my STD car has said - "Oooooh it's a bit sluggish and wallowy"
). Although the wife doesn't like the bounce much .
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When I 1st got my Standard MY03 STI it was well quick enough...
I am sure going from a Civic you will find the same, the only thing the PPP/re-map will give you is a smoother power/tourqe curve which made quick "passenger friendly" driving more possible. If your mates/partner do not mind the sudden "hit" of turbo boost at 3,500rpm then I see no point initially in spending out on the PPP.
But if you want a truely awsume pull, right from 2,500 through to the red line with no sudden surge (only a slight urgency), then go for the PPP'd car.
I am sure going from a Civic you will find the same, the only thing the PPP/re-map will give you is a smoother power/tourqe curve which made quick "passenger friendly" driving more possible. If your mates/partner do not mind the sudden "hit" of turbo boost at 3,500rpm then I see no point initially in spending out on the PPP.
But if you want a truely awsume pull, right from 2,500 through to the red line with no sudden surge (only a slight urgency), then go for the PPP'd car.
16 April 2004, 04:29 PM
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Black is the way forward
Marklemac - black MY02 STi looks the dogs....... & Being that only a 100 or so are out there it makes it that little bit special!!!!
Got any more cool pics of your beast?
Got any more cool pics of your beast?
16 April 2004, 04:36 PM
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not yet, but once its been waxed to max again at the weekend I will indeed be taking some more
All my other pics are when the car had the other wheels/smaller scoop etc..
I'll upload them to the member gallery next week...
All my other pics are when the car had the other wheels/smaller scoop etc..
I'll upload them to the member gallery next week...
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