Racist scum gets fired
23 April 2004, 12:25 PM
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quote: "Enjoy your's Nacro"
I will and sincerely the same sentiment to you. All this hero worship is stopping me from finalising my diary, again later and happy holidays to those of you escaping dullard-land.
I will and sincerely the same sentiment to you. All this hero worship is stopping me from finalising my diary, again later and happy holidays to those of you escaping dullard-land.
23 April 2004, 12:58 PM
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Bye NACRO, don't come back until you've got your ducks in a row.... so we can shoot them down again! 
So..... same time next week? 
Originally Posted by ajm
LOL! Not to worry.... its Friday tomorrow..... and Friday means Troll baiting day!
23 April 2004, 01:00 PM
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I won't be here to beat your *** down though next Friday as I'll be on the beach. Never mind though troll/ajm, you'll win one day. When I decide to stop playing the game you dumb ****.
23 April 2004, 01:08 PM
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I just wish the mods would re-instate the deleted post that NACRO made this morning
Total disgrace and makes his sentiment in this thread look pretty tame.
He is one sad individual ................. FACT
Total disgrace and makes his sentiment in this thread look pretty tame.
He is one sad individual ................. FACT
23 April 2004, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by **************
Think thats confirmed it nicely, he couldn't actually give two hoots about racism or hold serious debate, was merely trolling and wanting a slanging match with people. Any reasoned responses don't get a reply due to not rising to the bait
The more people that know this the more "rewarding" our interactions will become.
23 April 2004, 01:42 PM
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If all he wants to do is wind you lot up then he's succeeded magnificantly hasn't he?
All this indignation and condemnation is just fuel to his fire.
Why bother?
All this indignation and condemnation is just fuel to his fire.
Why bother?
23 April 2004, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by FrenchBoy
If all he wants to do is wind you lot up then he's succeeded magnificantly hasn't he?
All this indignation and condemnation is just fuel to his fire.
Why bother?
All this indignation and condemnation is just fuel to his fire.
Why bother?
23 April 2004, 02:00 PM
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I'm pretty new in the board but reading all this makes me wonder wether I should bother. I don't think anyone comes out of this looking good the exact opposite really.
23 April 2004, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by NACRO
quote: "Enjoy your's Nacro"
I will and sincerely the same sentiment to you. All this hero worship is stopping me from finalising my diary, again later and happy holidays to those of you escaping dullard-land.
I will and sincerely the same sentiment to you. All this hero worship is stopping me from finalising my diary, again later and happy holidays to those of you escaping dullard-land.
I expect all those 'sexy French ladies' you boast about leering at will be most pleased to see the back of the dirty old lech for a while.
You might think they don't notice but they do
23 April 2004, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ajm
Because it is rewarding to engage a trouble maker in debate and to foil their attempts. I don't think you will find anyone in this particular thread has been genuinely wound up, and most have countered his witless attempts to do so with well thought out and undisputable arguments, delivered calmly and with composure. I call that gaining value.
23 April 2004, 03:21 PM
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Narco is just a *** jockey anyway
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=318537
"For upgrades on normal flights for decent folk wear a suit, flirt with the male and female attendants"
Backs to the wall Suppose I'm a homophobe now on a racist thread 
Going back to the original point, I don't think Ron Atkinson is racist scum. I think it's more of an inappropriate phrase in todays society. 20 years ago the word was widespread, even on Uk sit coms. Times move on though and Big Ron should move with them.
Was interesting on Question Time last night with everyone on the panel outdoing themselves in condemming Atkinson. A bit hollow I thought.
Lets not forget the amount of rap songs out there with rappers refering to themselves as '******', and, how often have you refered to Chinese takeaways etc as a chinky.
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=318537
"For upgrades on normal flights for decent folk wear a suit, flirt with the male and female attendants"
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Suppose I'm a homophobe now on a racist thread Going back to the original point, I don't think Ron Atkinson is racist scum. I think it's more of an inappropriate phrase in todays society. 20 years ago the word was widespread, even on Uk sit coms. Times move on though and Big Ron should move with them.
Was interesting on Question Time last night with everyone on the panel outdoing themselves in condemming Atkinson. A bit hollow I thought.
Lets not forget the amount of rap songs out there with rappers refering to themselves as '******', and, how often have you refered to Chinese takeaways etc as a chinky.
23 April 2004, 03:24 PM
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Was interesting on Question Time last night with everyone on the panel outdoing themselves in condemming Atkinson. A bit hollow I thought.
Sometimes i think society needs a sharp slap round the face.
23 April 2004, 04:06 PM
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Seriously, I think Big Ron was totally out of order. I genuinely cannot see how anyone could possibly discriminate against someone, or think of them as in any way inferior, because of their skin colour or ethnic origin. Maybe that makes me a Guardian reader par excellence, but the fact is there's not a hint of racism in my thoughts. Nor of sexism, when it comes to that.
There are those who have these thoughts, but surely there can't be many left? After all, I'd imagine we all work or in some way associate with people of different ethnicities, and I'd be truly astonished if anyone could give me an example of someone being useless because they're blacl/yellow etc. They might be useless, but their skin colour would, I'd imagine, have less than the square root of sod-all to do with it.
Seriously, I think Big Ron was totally out of order. I genuinely cannot see how anyone could possibly discriminate against someone, or think of them as in any way inferior, because of their skin colour or ethnic origin. Maybe that makes me a Guardian reader par excellence, but the fact is there's not a hint of racism in my thoughts. Nor of sexism, when it comes to that.
There are those who have these thoughts, but surely there can't be many left? After all, I'd imagine we all work or in some way associate with people of different ethnicities, and I'd be truly astonished if anyone could give me an example of someone being useless because they're blacl/yellow etc. They might be useless, but their skin colour would, I'd imagine, have less than the square root of sod-all to do with it.
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The Moose thats the whole point though, Ron Atkinson was not saying he was lazy because he was black ffs. Its attitudes/misinterpretations such as yours that are causing this to be something that its not. He used the word ****** as an adjective to descibe the blokes skin colour/appearance just the same as he used to word lazy to describe his performance in the game. He was describing the appearance of the bloke. At no point did he accuse him of being lazy because he was black.
There is nothing wrong with being black just the same as there is nothing wrong with being tall/lanky or wearing glasses/being 4 eyes. Its called description, however narrow minded/politically incorrect it maybe, it doenst mean the same as being racist!
There is nothing wrong with being black just the same as there is nothing wrong with being tall/lanky or wearing glasses/being 4 eyes. Its called description, however narrow minded/politically incorrect it maybe, it doenst mean the same as being racist!
23 April 2004, 04:15 PM
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Sorry Moose, I certainly dont want to appear rude, but what world do you live in?? those are some of the most naive altrusitic statements I have ever seen- I think you will find with your admirable views that you are very much the minority, sad i know but true.
23 April 2004, 04:16 PM
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Did anyone hear what Ian Wright had to say about this on 5 live yesterday?
Apparently Big Ron would regularly make inappropriate remarks when they were studio guests together to such an extent that Wrighty had to pull him up on it and 'ave a word'.
It just comes down to the fact that Big Ron was obviously comfortable using that sort of language, hence the reason it 'slipped out'
if you dont use that sort of word regularly, then it doesnt just 'slip out'.
and for those people that think the word '******' is merely a harmless descriptive term meaning black person then please feel free to walk through brixton high street holding a sandwich board proudly proclaiming this.
Apparently Big Ron would regularly make inappropriate remarks when they were studio guests together to such an extent that Wrighty had to pull him up on it and 'ave a word'.
It just comes down to the fact that Big Ron was obviously comfortable using that sort of language, hence the reason it 'slipped out'
if you dont use that sort of word regularly, then it doesnt just 'slip out'.
and for those people that think the word '******' is merely a harmless descriptive term meaning black person then please feel free to walk through brixton high street holding a sandwich board proudly proclaiming this.
23 April 2004, 04:16 PM
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Moose - you've missed the point though. "Big Ron" isn't a racist. He simply used the term when he was trying to say that the player was being lazy, and he was right. He wasn't discriminating against Desailly because he is black, but was commenting on his performance during the game, and used what is currently deemed a racist term.
You have to remember that old habits die hard. Ron Atkinson is of the age group where that sort of language was common, and had no nasty, racial meaning. Nowadays anything can be miscontrued as being racist, especially something as obvious as what he foolishly uttered.
You have to remember that old habits die hard. Ron Atkinson is of the age group where that sort of language was common, and had no nasty, racial meaning. Nowadays anything can be miscontrued as being racist, especially something as obvious as what he foolishly uttered.
23 April 2004, 04:20 PM
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As stated before, Ron is of the old school where these words were acceptable.
You only have to watch the re-runs of Only Fools And Horses to hear Uncle Albert saying 'Paki Shop'. This word is not edited out when shown today, and the show was only made in 1989.
You only have to watch the re-runs of Only Fools And Horses to hear Uncle Albert saying 'Paki Shop'. This word is not edited out when shown today, and the show was only made in 1989.
23 April 2004, 04:21 PM
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Frenchboy its obviously so offensive to black people that they have to refer to themselves as that word? I have many music cds with lyrics on sung by black people calling themselves *******. How come if its so terribly offensive to them that they can call themselves that word? Give us a break! I'm sure Snoop Dog/Dr Dre etc etc are so terribly hurt by referring to themselves as *******. They do so on virtually every song they have ever written/sung (in the loosest meaning of the word obviously )
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I'm sorry, just because the term '******' was in general use doesnt really classify it as 'acceptable'.
'******' has always been an offensive, derogatory and demeaning term.
some things are inherantly wrong and public acceptance of them doesnt justify their use.
slavery is wrong but that was an accepted way of life not that long ago.
'******' has always been an offensive, derogatory and demeaning term.
some things are inherantly wrong and public acceptance of them doesnt justify their use.
slavery is wrong but that was an accepted way of life not that long ago.
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if i choose to greet my best mate with the following phrase:
'how you doing you old ****?'
its perfectly acceptable and he wouldnt think twice.
however if i walked up to a stranger and greeted them this way i dont think the reception would be quite the same.
its all about context.
'how you doing you old ****?'
its perfectly acceptable and he wouldnt think twice.
however if i walked up to a stranger and greeted them this way i dont think the reception would be quite the same.
its all about context.