imlach

Hey Tiggs, you're sounding very Gordon Ramsayesque..... Easy to do isn't it

SiPie

Sbradley

Thanks mate... will have a look

Tiggs

Don't think you'd make a very good boss mate......unless it was of some concentration camp or prison sack-stiching work unit

Think the phrase is a bit of give and take

I've worked my *** off for the company I work for, for the last 13 years and sweated blood at times to meet deadlines to save their *** and if some dumbass boss wanted to moan about the cost of a franked feckin' letter then they'd have their job up their *** in a second flat

They are good to me, so I don't abuse any priviledges (too much) and I expect the odd favour now and again and I certainly don't expect to be moaned at for looking at scoobynet in the odd lunch hour or whenever the hell I want to...come to think of it.

Times I have certainly abused it but I'm damned sure that time has been more than made up x 1,000s...

Have a nice day now ... must go and do some work

dba

i think thats all Tiggs is saying Sipie,abuse your employer and you should expect them to act,act reasonably and you will be ok.I think in this instance,Saxoboy will be ok if he has been reasonable,however............his biggest obstacle could be his managers are unfamiliar with bbs and the net in general,to them,it may be full of terrorists and paedophiles,and they will start from a postion that assumes something dodgy has occured.Hopefully,they listen to him carefully,providing he takes time to explain what a bbs is all about.
but that still leaves him open for being accused of wasting company time,if indeed he did cross the line from "give and take" to "take the p1ss"

Tiggs

imlach,


how about:

i'd sack the fcukin lot of you, you fcukin useless fcukin idiots

SomeDude

Intresting thread, well done.

Food for thought, and good advice from quite a few people. I fully agree that having too much time is a management problem, not an internet problem.

I'm in IT myself, and it's clear that Sr. Mgmt nor HR really have a good grasp on how the internet works, blind links, webbugs, spyware etc... In normal circumstances you should just have a talk & maybe a bollocking from your manager, but not this cloak & dagger stuff, totally OTT. It feels very much like a lot of IT departments have a new stick to hit people with, but ultimately even the most sophisticated logging/monitoring/auditing software can not replace common sense.

But until this settles in general and companies start to be sensible about internet access, I would advise people to be careful with surfing at work.

On a lighter note: you didn't accidently type "fuel cu*nt did you (joke OK )

Jye

There was an article on the news the other night, regarding companies monitoring staff calls and internet use. Seems this sort of big brother attitude is becoming quite common now-a-days.

-=Buzz=-

You are there to work and they give you wages - simple as that. If you are there to do your own things whilst someone esle pays for that time they will give you a P45. Why shouldn't they??

Devils Advocate here, look, I'm posting while at work

ozzy

Of course, if you look at it clinically then everyone is at work to do just that. Do you really want to work for someone who gives you no leeway whatsoever?

Our office is very relaxed and take the attitude that if the jobs is getting done (and done well), then web-surfing is seen as a nice perk. We have plenty of testers and developers here listening to the radio over the net or playing Freecell whilst something is compiling.

Keep an employee happy and you'll get far more quality work out of them.

And yes, I'm posting from work and about to spend an hour in the gym AND have my lunch at my desk when I get back

Stefan

J S W

I tend to refresh a few pages (my ebay, scoobynet, hilux forum) every couple of minutes throughout the day but spend very little tme actually reading the pages etc.

I am quite worried now as my internetuse would look very innapropriate (sp) but would be slightly misrepresented as I only tend to look at the pages when i am on a phone call to clients etc

Worried James

-=Buzz=-

LOL, instead of paying attention to what they say perhaps?

SiPie

Buzz

Get a life mate

So... let's get this right.. You'd give someone their P45 if they were contracted to work 9-5 Mon to Friday but in this case they had worked 7.30am to 7.30pm with a 20 min lunch break (ie. now ) and a Saturday for the last 2 weeks just to keep things from going **** up with the knowledge that they'll maybe get some of their time back and a nice thank you .. and that would be it

Think you should be running a Cockle picking company with Tiggs

My point being.... that I think everyone's job is different and nobody can really comment until they've worked there

Puff The Magic Wagon!

iTrader: (2)

But doesn't Dad own the business?

Sith

It's not IT that hold the stick. The company itself use IT to do it. We then look like the bad guys because we have adn can use the technology.

James - Be very afraid. On the logs it will look as if you've done nothing but surf allday.

J S W

is there anything I can do to wipe information of web pages off our server (i have access to it)

judgejules

JSW: do you use a proxy or content filtering system on a firewall? If not then there shouldnt be any trace.

Saxo: Hope it went ok mate, any update?

~J

J S W

doesn't appear to be any filtering program as I know 'someone' has looked at thehun.com in the office, don't know about firewall but i gues so

StickyMicky

im not sure if ive commented on this thread, but heres my opinion

you are payed by your company to work, that means you work when your paid to do so, you cant winge if your caught not working, your being paid otherwise, the only people who are winging are the people who are being paid to work and are NOT doing what there paid to do.

it doesnt get any simpler, " ive slogged my **** off for the company so i deserve a break" doesnt wash IMO

your being paid to work, so you think if you work and do a good job your allowed to surf the net in there time?? no

you do a good job and they pay you and dont get rid of you by any means possible



WORKER> PAY > WORK

SiPie

Eh... hello... check my post

In my case I am sitting waiting for 4 CLC5000 printers to finish printing a backlog until 7 or 8 at night when contracted to 5pm... so...should I polish the desks and make sure everyone's pc's are nice and clean or do you think it's ok to logon and check scoobynet once in a while..

Get it into your thick and blinkered head that every job is different and cut the moralistic crap of

Some people DO NOT get paid overtime but due to a strange phenomenom(sp) these days called company loyalty some work longer hours when necessary and perhaps and rightly so, they expect a bit of give and take

My boss sure ain't complaining if I manage to get the work done

PS Fair enough within your contracted hours but outwith that, then I don't see where the problem is

ozzy

StickyMicky,

Do you talk to your co-workers about anything other than work? Are you one of these robots that just show up at 9am, get your head down and work until 5pm and then just leave?

There's more to working efficiently and getting a job done (and doing it very well) than just being a robot

Stefan

BishopDevious

Last year I had a slight problem with one of our staff that was comming in late at night and downloading ****. We had just setup our network and I had the router emailing me logs so I could check everything was running fine. One night I came in to find that the router at work had emailed me a load of transaction logs at 9 and 10pm. When I looked at them I realised that someone was in the building got a bit worried and drove down to check. Nothing.

So I read the logs on the server, worked out the machine from the IP address and checked to see who was logged on. I setup the router so it would block all these sites. There was a great deal of activity the following night and some the next day. After that nothing. Never had to say a word. I didnt want to take it any further but if I did it would only have been a warning ie 'stop it!'.

He didnt have broadband at home and I allowed him to use a usb disk key to take stuff he downloaded home. All ways the quiet ones LOL

J S W

THERES ALWAYS ONE ****

LG John

Ask anyone that runs a small business and they will tell you that without friendly give and take you won't get the best out your employees and you'll have problems of high turn over. Lets not forget that we are human beings and spend 1/3 of our lives in our work environment - that environment has to have something to give a little relief IMHO.

UPDATE

Its not official yet but I've heard through the grapevine that they haven't found anything that constitutes pornography on my hard drive so I'm confident they will drop that line of enquiry.

I still expect them to come back with issues regarding level of internet use, time of internet use and use/content of personal email and having talked to someone from the union (of which I'm not a part unfortunatly) I am ready for them

I was advised that if they raise any issue other than **** I should terminate any meeting/conversation immediately as they made it explicitly clear on Friday they were taking my computer to look for 'pornography' and nothing else. With the issue of pornography thereby wrapped up they will have to open a new 'case' (so to speak) if they want to do me with anything else. Interestingly the union guy gave me a copy of an article that makes it VERY clear that your employer cannont monitor your email and internet use without telling you first and making clear those reasons for doing so. I'll use this as a defence if they come back saying that they have checked through the past logs because it seems they have no grounds to do this unless they tell me they suspect I've been overusing the net and are going to monitor me.

This makes sense its hardly like you go to court on an assault charge and upon being found not guilty find them trying to take you down for unpaid speeding fines, etc.

I'll keep you all posted

Madjay2

hope everything goes well Saxoboy as we're all human. i always think, give me an inch and i'll take a mile(until i get caught)

J S W

Best of luck mate

davyboy

I did say that about 7 pages back

davyboy

To save you looking.

Dave

LG John

Cheers dave

tweenierob

This is scary...

Just seen this thread... And just had a disciplinary for misuse of IT systems..

Not just my Co. then..

Rob

Edited to say, not down to internet usage but Email only...

'Extended Use of company resources'

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

If you are going to have a porno session at work, please all make sure you use the recently departed contractors logon.

StickyMicky

stop your ****en wingeing

your paid to do a job, do it
makes me sick the amount of good for nothing geeks on here who winge about there work blocking SN or sumthing so they cant browse while there supposed to be working

your paid to work, if your paid to surf the net then fine, surf away
sum people are unbelivable

you think im a **** because i belive that your supposed to do what your paid to do??

get with the ****en program, if you pay sum builders x amount of cash per day to do sum work on your house and they spend time sitting in your kitchen surfing the net, you would be the first person to post up here wingeing about it

"ohh no there good lads they did sum wallpapering for me and it was spot on last month, there fine just surfing away while i pay them to do so"


****en hypocrite (sp?)