StickyMicky

seriously, if it all goes your way then would you cut back on your time online?

jase555

I started a thread about 2 weeks ago on the same thing got done for "improper use" of company email


took PC away but not that clever,

went to ACAS the lot, been with the place 14yrs and person above still wanted to shaft me, yet i have saved everybody else down the line as i sorted stuff out before it went to senior mgmt



I got a final written with some tie ins , but still in a job,

upon hearing done the grovel line but again upon further investigation was told that could take it further

best of luck m8

email me if you wish

jase

J S W

Sticky,

I am contracted to work 9.00 am - 5.30 pm Monday to Friday and I am expeceted to work every other saturday 9.00 am - 4.00. When I work a saturday I am entitled to take a day off in the week so I only ever work 5 days in any given week.

On average I am always at work for 8.40 AM and at least 2 but normally 3 nights each week I will have appointments after business hours which keep me out as late as 7.00PM - 7.15PM. I still work every other saturday but do not take the days off in lieu or take them as holiday at a later stage. For the last 2 months I have also worked another saturday (so 3 out of 4) as we are very busy, again not taking any time off in lieu.

I work far more hours than I should or am contracted too so I feel by checking my ebay or SN (which I only look at NSR & DIY) fairly regularly is not unfair and I am not taking advantage as I am normally on the phone while browsing.

The old cookie of "work harder in business hours so you don't have to work late" does not wash as I have too work late as I have to meet clients who are working in the daytime.

My firm consider me working towards partnership in the business (6 years away at least) so I am expected to work longer hours than most.

I don't know for definate if they would consider my internet use innapropriate as they may agree that I have ample right too surf due to the hours I work(no more than 30 mins in total each day).

What I am concerned about is like any business they want me doing 'fee earning' all the time, what they forget is I do at least 12 hours overtime with no reward each week.

Hope that clears up the fact that I do work very hard but also surf SN. If I did the 9 - 5 I wouldn't use the net. (well I might but that's not what we are arguing )


James

jasey

Who said this on Page one


"you do have the right to privacy - check the IT Policy and the fact you have signed something stating they can watch what you are doing - if they haven't got your authority to "snoop" you're in the clear and they have committed a crime (check with a lawyer before quoting me on that one)."

jods

Yeh - with no *****

I bet he's super popular at work - NOT

SiPie

J S W

Just ignore StickyMicky as he clearly has an inability to read and digest other people's posts, can't deal with the fact that other people's working environments can be different from his own, likes the sound of his own voice/opinions and seems utterly unable to be flexible

In other words, he'd make a perfect boss

Very sad

LG John

Yes because they'll probably have their eye on me but I won't indefinately become some sort of internet hermit. Lets assume I waste as much as an hour a day of the Council time p!ssing around on SN. Am I gaining an unfair advantage over all other employee's??

No, IMHO. Every day I see the same smokers out the back doors 4 times a day having a 10 minute *** and a natter. Lets assume these smokers also have two 10 minute solitaire games and there you have it 1 hour! More critically, if I'm surfing SN during those 40 minutes I still can and do answer my phone. They are totally unavailable to work at the time they are smoking.

The problem with IT related past-times is accountability. I could come into work and waste 2 hours a day reading the paper, talking to mates on the phone (not monitored), shuffling a deck of cards or whatever and nobody would be able to prove a thing. If I spent 2 hours on the net or emailing there is a very accurate log and details of everything I've done giving them a big stick to beat me with. Its all very sad really

DaveR

Saxo boy -

glad to hear they've dropped the original allegations. Sound like a bunch of losers to me anyway.

Best of luck with the more general 'internet usage' one.

Yikes, I've just read this post end to end and it took me about 15mins!!! Better watch myself LOL

DaveR

Puff The Magic Wagon!

iTrader: (2)

The best bet is to work from home or not at all - like I do

Mind you the wife complains I spend too much time on the computer but then "its work dear"

StickyMicky

you dont like me because im right

gutted for you

RoadrunnerV2

StickyMicky - your are right in principle however in the true world you can't make that stick

kelvin

I'm constantly amazed at the number of people who try and justify their actions on this board based on "what other people do"

As if it makes it right?!

K.

SiPie

StickyMicky

I have absolutely zero feeling towards you at all mate, nothing to do with liking you or not..... wouldn't even give that thought the time of day... so don't get too paranoid about that one

All I say is that I disagree with the nonsense your little anonymous fingers have typed up on here

Have a nice evening

PS I'm right................................ and you know it

StickyMicky

but its not nonsense, and its in practice in 2 large organisations that i know of around these parts, and they do very well for themselves, if people dont like it they leave

and i belive that these companys are far bigger and more sucsessful then sum IT based intergeek setup

although i could be wrong
ps. your only right, about being wrong

Nog

SN has gone down hill since I first joined. Since when did it become a forum for "I'm right, you're wrong?". It'll be "who's Dad is the biggest?" next.

Everyone is allowed their opinion, and not everyone will agree with it. Doesn't mean that any individual is completely wrong.

Nog

Tim66 STi8

My Dads 8ft tall

StickyMicky

just admit that im right and be done with it

LG John

Whose right or wrong and the merits of me spending 5 minutes a day or 5 hours a day on the net are not in debate.

The fact remains they have taken my computer because they thought I'd been looking at ****. I haven't and they have found nothing! Now they figure they can just go through every log and piece of info they have to find other things to screw me for Can they do this??

That's like turning up to court on an assualt charge being found innocent and then the judge bringing up issues of outstanding speeding fines from your past just so they can nail you with a crime!

unclebuck

SM = jumped up, middle management, jobsworth material if ever I saw it. Do you grass up your colleagues to your boss in the hope of gaining favour too?

UB

StickyMicky

errrrr NO????
i would never in a million years do that, anywhere i go is through hard graft, not **** sucking

would you??

i would be the first person to slag off sumbody who does that, theres no need

theres 2 types of people who do management, the grafters and the suckers
you really should get your head out your **** and wake up

i take it your the type of person who complains when sumbody works hard and gets sumwhere you cant>?

unclebuck

Otherwise you'll see to it that I get sacked?? LOL

UB

StickyMicky

tell me unclebuck

do you think its ik to spend an excessive amount of time surfing the net when your being paid to work for your company?

id like to be clear on this point so i can add you to my mental list of lazy, slacking, weak people

no offence to saxo boy, to be fair he KNOWS hes done wrong, thats because it IS wrong, hes admitted that he shouldnt have abused his position, it seams a load of the SN comunity think they need to slate me because i belive he was in the wrong as well?? (no offence intended)

ill give another example because theres a few people with lazy brains who cant work there head around it

in for example my job, If all the days work is finnished, and the place is tidy and all the daft crappy extra jobs are done that the supervisors etc etc can think off are compleatled, they would be happy to let us stand about and chat, mess about, waste time, but only after everything is finnished, not half way through (ala messing about on websites while your supposed to be working)

otherwise you work, if you dont, your out the door ASAP

and thats wrong??
you are blinded by a big wall of lazyness

StickyMicky

judgeing by sum of your work related beliefs (sp?)

i think your more then capable of doing that yourself

unclebuck

No, I don't work as an automaton in a factory. Where I work we are judged on results. We don't have 'supervisors' as such. We basically manage ourselves. We also have flexible working hours and sometimes work from home, which I'm sure you wouldn't approve of.

So, essentially, people are responsible for managing their own time. If I make the judgement that I can spare 15 mins here and there for a quick post on Scoobynet, it's my decision. Quite often I don't consider I have the time to do so, so I don't. Simple really.

I can't comment on how other people manage their time though. My opinion is, that they are free to do as they wish.

For the record, the company I work for is the industry leader in it's field. Your comments about 'if people don't like it they can walk'. Believe me, if the sledgehammer management tactics you seem to advocate were employed, they would.

Actually your black and white, judgemental attitude towards people you no nothing about really does make to ideally suited to a 'supervisor' role. You would be great at de-motivating people.

UB

StickyMicky

to be filled by people who would actualy do a far better job?

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

Whats the big deal about **** anyway, surely if SB is not doing his job because he is surfing, thats the main issue, **** is legal, people like **** and I realise it isnt appropriate for the workplace but if its not anything illegal in England why is it any worse than surfing Scoobynet ?

Basically its a tough old world out there and local goverment is generally stable (i.e. cushy) so its best not to get yourself sacked for something you can do to your hearts content at home, my management were reasonable, they said dont do it so I dont, if I do I will get warnings etc, however other stuff by other members of staff seems to just drag on for years, under performance is an art form in certain parts of local government, The Aquisition of sick notes a hobby and general apathy rife.

ProperCharlie

local govt. is extremely unstable - when i worked in LG we underwent more reorganisations than you could shake a stick the size of manhattan at. my job got deleted within 18 months of it being created. however, apathy and laziness was still rife. i worked about 4 hours a day and got so much more done than anyone else it was embarrassing.

wheelie_sti

Saxoboy,

Do you have to accept any acceptable user policy popup at the start of a normal day OR have you signed an acceptable user policy ?
You are at work and as such are required to use the pc for business use. Part of my job is security audits of proxy logs, security logs, tracking hackers etc etc. I try to look at any site a user has gone to as possibly having some content related to business.

Sometimes that quite difficult when a user goes to some gay chat site FFS

What I am saying is this, the company pays for a leased internet connection for business related connections. Given the rather hap-hazard security in most local authority systems I can see why they are edgy. If a site NOT business related has become compromised and causes the spread of a worm/virus/malicious RPC code to populate through the LAN then to say your network department are not going to be happy is a fu**ing understatement. I've personally been on the receiving end of a 56 hour shift ridding our system of NIMDA infection the day before AV protection had been released. I was not best pleased at the c*ck who had visited a compromised site completely un work related.

Any way, I ramble ... think carefully, have the LA EVER asked you to sign an acceptable user policy or agree to one by clicking on an accept box before browsing. If so, ur screwed, if not you should be ok. May be worth thinking of some excuse for why you were on scoobynet in the first place matey.

I imagine you already have the number of the job centre.

Good luck dude, you'll need it.

wheelie_sti

ozzy

StickMicky,

First off you say that you simply shouldn't be allowed to surf the net in the companies time. Now you're talking about being against excessive use of the net.

So, can you please explain exactly what your thoughts are as I'm confused?

Would you accept that Saxo Boy could surf the net in working time as long as it wasn't excessive? What do you see as being excessive?

IMHO, every circumstance is different. You certainly can't compare a worker who stands out on the factory floor 8 hours a day to someone who works in front of a computer for 8 hours. The factory floor worker would be spotted away from his workplace, whereas a desk jockey could simply read a website and not be counter productive.

The point is Saxo Boy was pulled up for **** and it looks like they got it all wrong with him. If it turns out that way, he should get an apology. If they want to pull him up on his usage, then they'll be forced to look at everyone or just give him a warning and then officially send out a message to everyone explaining quite clearly the companies view on internet usage.

The company I work for know that they have very good people working for them and are happy to cut them some slack. The bosses aren't stupid; if they know someone is exploiting them, they'll sort it out.

To say that this doesn't work or is unacceptable in every workplace is utter bo!!ocks. Yes, it's not suited to every workplace and what SiPie's said.

If SiPie's boss said he can't do anything unrelated to his job whilst at work, then I'm sure he would have to reconsider why he's working extra hours for nothing. Either the companie pays him or they realise that taking 10 mins here and there to surf the net is no big deal when he's busting his b@lls for the companies benefit.

Stefan

ozzy

wheelie_sti,

If a company doesn't want any unrelated business content, then they should simply block everything and then only allow access to sites requested by managers.

Stefan

P.S. I'm not for one minute condoning any form of lazyness - that's a completely different issue.