wheelie_sti

Ozzy,

We are trialling that at the moment with Novell Border manager, it's not going down well with the natives

wheelie_sti

J S W

This is J S W still waiting for a reply from stickymickey on my last post.

you obviously work in a job where you have too be supervised, you work 9 - 5 and leave when they ring the bell.

Maany people do not these day and work fairly long hours thus as UB said we make the decision to post on SN a few times a day.


Would appreciate your thoughts

LG John

My job environment is totally different. I could work 12 hour shifts and never do anything in those 12 hours than work, work, work and would still never get within a million miles of completing my work. There is always work to be done so its about managing your own time to ensure that you contribute positively to the performance of the team and meet the performance targets set by the Scottish Executive. I'd ask anyone to review East Lothian Council's performance in the last few years for the determination of planning applications within the statutory 2 month period. It's one of the best in Scotland and during a recent informal chat with my manager he commented that despite the fact he knew I didn't put the hours in that the others do I was still contributing positively to that overall performance and my work standard was as high as he'd expect.

Yes we have a 'internet/email use policy' and yes I signed it but having reviewed it today I feel it has many holes

That use policy says that an employee may use the internet facilities to view personal websites for 1 hour per week in his/her own time. That works out at 12 minutes a day so clearly I've been going WAY over it and therefore yes, I have done wrong. However, at no point in the internet policy or general disapline policies of the Council does it define what constitutes excessive use over and above the 1 hour. I'm about to get nailed for a breach of that policy (going over the 1 hour) but there seems to be no effort to check and take action against other people that have gone over it (i.e. half the Council). On the basis that no destinction is made between a breach of the policy by 1 minute or 10 hours I can't see how this is fair in a workplace that is so careful to follow its own policies to the letter.

If you ask me there really isn't a problem as I'm doing my job as required and expected but it just so happens that my form of work 'release' is totally auditable and can be 100% accounted for where playing solitaire, going for a ***, having a natter, reading the sun over the pan for 45 minutes, etc is not so accountable and auditable. Its easy for some punter in IT to run some logs and conclude that I'm spending X minutes per day not working where I could be and this is costing £Y per day for the great tax paying public. They then use this to beat me with their big stick irrespective of the other facts because its their in black and white and so easy to calculate and figure. I'd love to know how much Council time is wasted when the BC boys chat to the lollypop ladies for 30 minutes outside or room or when they read the Sun from cover to cover in the john, etc. I'll no doubt write a defence document at some point that will pick holes in the Council IT policy and disapline proceedures and I'll be sure to post it up for you

Based on the definition of 'Gross Misconduct' in those documents they will have a very hard time firing me I think. I'll accept a verball warning but I'm not even going to be happy about a written warning unless they issue similar warnings to all other breaches of the IT document.

J S W

totally agree saxo boy particularly about others have **** breaks etc.

StickyMicky

i work rotating 3 shift rotas with over time on weekends???
when required i work 12 hour shifts to help out (be it morning, noon or niteshifts) double shifts and such happen a lot

when things are busy, i can end up doing a week of niteshifts and finnish friday morning @ 7am, go home, for a few hours kip, get back up at 2pm, quick shower and sumthing to eat and back to work that day for 3.30pm for a extra lateshift, which will finnish @ 11.15pm then its back home, get my head down for a few hours and back in for a 7am start on a saturday, a half day sunday is also possible, i think i have a pretty good grasp of long working hours

if hes paid to manage his time then he can do what he likes

what are you getting at??

J S W

how thick are you? let me guess you are paid by the hour or paid decent overtime?


Many of us that work longer hours do not get paid overtime so feel entitled to abuse the system a little as most of the time I am being fcuked by the company.

My point is that I do not get paid for the extra hours I work so spending a bit of time on the net in the day is not realy taking advantage. If like you I was paid for working the extra hours I would not have a leg to stand on.

jods

LMAO

My guess is that Sticky believes that his efforts will be :

A) Noticed
B) Appreciated
C) Valued
D) Rewarded

Problem is - Nowadays, Companies are big on Work / Life balance
If you have to work excessive hours to do your work then you are either

A) A fcukwit who is incapable of doing your job properly
B) A Billy no mates
C) Married with pre-teen kids (In which case you have my utmost sympathy)

imlach

I hope you get paid by the hour, or get overtime? If so, disregard the following.....

If not, the company is taking advantage of your "devotion", and you're the sucker for being too devoted. Also known as a "corporate *****".

I work in a big multinational where some spent 20 years doing unpaid overtime in the hope it'd get them far. Yes, it did to some extent, but when push came to shove in 2001/2, there was no loyalty shown by the company when it came to making people redundant. It does not work both ways. Business is business, and ultimately, when it suits the company, you are excessed

Wake up & smell the coffee.....

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

I like to go home a feel I have earnt what I have been paid, doesnt always happen for one reason or another (meetings usually) and some days I feel I have delivered services beyond what I get paid, I work with a guy who never delivers anything and when questions get asked, lo and behold, a Sick note apppears.

jasey

To summarize peoples relationship with their employers;

1. **** them before they **** you.

or

2. Work hard and you will be rewarded appropriately and allowed to live a little too.

One of these should apply to everyone with a job. If it's the first one I suggest you find a job where the second one applies. If the second one applies remember there's loads in category one !



ps There are people that would charge thousands for this - I give it willingly to my fellow enthusiasts

SiPie

or possibly helping out and working excessive hours for circa a month due to extreme circumstances out with you or your employers control

So much utter crap being spouted here that even I'm shocked

LG John

"corporate *****" - LMAO

In my job you get paid a wage with no bonuses and no overtime. There is nothing I can do to alter my monthly wage! I can be the worst employee ever and push all the rules to the absolute limits and still take home the exact same amount as my alter ego who works every hour god sends and it a model employee. Will this model employee even get extra recongnition.................NO. My line manager works 8-7 with no lunch pretty much every single day and doesn't take at LEAST half his annual leave (he'd paid 9-5). He has done this for years and at no point has anyone ever even thanked him or tried to arrange anything to reward him. Promotion on the Council is about jumping through hoops and nothing to do with the hours put in/not put in. For these reasons only a mug IMHO would work themselves into the ground and get all stressed. That's not to say you should rip the **** out of it but I hope you get what I mean

Jay m A

iTrader: (2)

Unfortunately SB, there are quite a lot of the latter in government organisations, which is why we pay such high tax. We are paying for 10 people to do 4 people's work. Its quite understanding for the 'model' employee to become disillusioned by 'why should I bother' work ethic whilst keeping one eye on their pension. No wonder its company policy to make dissmissal as difficult as poss...

the moose

Saxo, I hope I'm not being a harbinger of doom here, but you really better start smelling the coffee. Whether or not you like it, they'll have no problem AT ALL in firing you.

One of the first things which you tell someone who's in a disciplinary is that the other employees, and what they do, is of no relevance. You are there because of what you've done, and the others may well be being dealt with at a later date.

As for the "I'll accept a verbal warning but I'm not even going to be happy about a written warning unless they issue similar warnings to all other breaches of the IT document". Words fail me! You don't have a choice about this - they issue it to you, rather than it being some form of negotiation. And you'd probably find that you're the worst offended, which is why they hit you first. The "but he wastes time in a different way" argument holds no water; two wrongs and all that.

So what happens if you're either fired or given a final written warning? You may appeal it, you may even win (unlikely) but your career is still firmly Donald Ducked. If you think there's the remotest chance of you being fired for ****-related stuff, it's better to leave now, voluntarily, rather than involuntarily with no reference.

You may think it unfair (and I'd agree with you) but if your employer wants to get rid of you, they'll do it. And you're male, white, in good health, and with no dependents; no form of discrimination comeback, I'm afraid.

ProperCharlie

SB - time to get the boot polish out, mate.

"is it cos i is black?"

eClaire

I am supposed to work 9-5. It's usually more like 9-9 and then some at home.

A) I can do my job perfectly well thank you, that is why I have been given extra responsibilities. Fair enough, I may have taken on a tad too much (I am currently filling two full time roles ) but I chose it to be that way, and hopefully I will be awarde accordingly.

B) I don't have 'tons' of mates. I have a few select people I regard as close friends (4, the rest are in Sheffield) and aquaintances. But that doesn't bother me. I have less people to satisfy and can spend more time doing what I want to do.

C) Nope, not married. No kids either.


Bearing in mind I am 21 years old and determined to get what I want from my career. I don't think that is bad at all. As long as someone is happy with their work/life balance there shouldn't be a problem!

Anyway, I feel really guilty for coming on when it isn't my break now (got busted too, but boss only laughed at me (phew!))!! I'm going back to work!

jasey

SB - Ever wished you started a thread on Fuel Surge - what have you created here

StickyMicky

umm give over chaps

im paid overtime, therefore i work more

do you think i would just bang loads of shifts in so i look good?

i bang loads of shifts in so i have more money, the fact that i do my job better then expected definatly gets me noticed, we are apraised once a year (which is now changing to every 3 months) and my apraisel could not have been any better, the only thing i was marked down for was shouting and taking the **** out of everybody whenever possible, but most people were marked down for that so its hardly a major cross against my name

if i stay back 5 mins longer then expected i claim for 15mins over time, and nothing will ever change that

ProperCharlie

fookin outrageous - cheating the system.

StickyMicky

nope its a valid tactic which is down in the terms and conditions

any time worked over (even if its technicly 1 second) is equal to 15 mins over time
if i worked 15mins and 1 second i wouldbe entitled to 30 mins over time and such

Jay m A

iTrader: (2)

And don't tell me if you're 5 mins late you're docked 15mins.

Same for me when I worked @ Homebase LOL

StickyMicky

ohh heres another good one

every 2 hours overtime worked equates to a 15 min break

so stay back for say 4 hours, work right through and your allowed to claim 4 hours 30 mins time and a half, as you didnt take your breaks (i prefere to just graft away and not bother with the breaks a lot of people will at this point slip away for sum sneaky cigars/pipes/tabs whatever crap they want to smoke lol)

more money in my bank acount for the same time spent at work as others
there is a few people like me @ work, i expected to find that there was a few all over the country, but it seams not (quick judgement from this post)

StickyMicky

yes that happens a lot, but im never late (it happens to others)
theres been times when the "harder" working people have arrived late and been let off, i asume this is a small amount of "give or take" due to them pulling up there socks and getting down to it

J S W

you are thick, it's official.

gold star for stickymicky. a$$hole.

swaussie

SM, have you ever left work early, even a few minutes? have you ever arrived at work late, even by a few minutes?, have you ever been late back from lunch? have you ever taken an unplanned coffee break or break of any type for that matter? have you ever looked out a window for any reason? then if you have by your own admission you have not been working, have been taking the **** from your employer and should tender your resignation immediately!

No one on this planet has the attention span you are requesting of your possible employees, or indeed you claim to have! Indeed most people are known to not last 15 minutes without their minds wandering.

I wrote my post saying that I could not see the difference to surfing the net during 10 minutes of downtime or chatting to mates to be read exactly as Saxo Boy read it, that in the age of the computer anything you do can be recorded and logged. Not saying its right or wrong just that having a smoke or a coffee break does not leave an electronic trail that can be exploited to fire you.

lighten up, no-one works in nineteenth century coal mines anymore and if you do I suggest you look for a new job which might help life be a bit more enjoyable.

StickyMicky

NO NO NO
if we arnt at our stations for the start of the session, the plant cant function and all hell breaks loose

there is no windows, i once glanced out of a skylight while preforming part of my job, does that mean i am slacking off??

in my last job i will give you an example
i was working for nissan building the cars, you are timed on your jobs and on every job you have maybe 5/6 seconds "to spare"

now them 5/6 seconds come around every minuite, @ that time they were knocking the cars out 1 per minuite, you have to finnish your process in under a minuite or you end up drifting down the line, this could get so bad, your air lines would become stretched, now you have 2 options, stop the line which equals massive losses to the company, which then equals massive losses to your bank balance when you shat on (after a few warnings) or you can asl the next bloke down to do sum of the process for you, that pust preasure on him and so forth

its possible to have a team leader or such to help you out if theres one available, all it takes is a threaded bolt or a snapped stud, and the company starts to lose money, it really is that tight, i would figure the majority of the people in this thread would blatently be no good at this type of work

break times, a large buzzer will sound, you are then in your break time, your free to do whatever you want until the next buzzer (2x 20min breaks per day) once the buzzer sounds you must be ready to go other wise, yet again the line stops, and you have another warning

call it cruel, or whatever, the fact is, the plant is amazingly sucessfull at what its desinged to do and theres ques of hardworking decent people trying to get in.

so to answer your question, NO NO NO

if you wanted to go to the toilet, you wuld have to wait until break time unless a team leader or supervisor was able to take your place, coffe breaks??
give over, thats absurd

ive seen people **** themselves on line because they couldnt last till the next buzzer, and ive seen people get written warnings because they stoppedthe line due to needing a turd

the NMUK workforce is highly respected for what they do

StickyMicky

and you degrade this debate, due to you showing yourself as a week, lazy fool who cant handle the heat when the going gets tough

i dont want your gold star, i got enough of them in school for colouring in, you more then welcome to have kiss of my choclate star if you want, you peasant slacker.

swaussie

FFS, not having a go at you but no wonder my old man ( who at 66, still puts in 14 hour days on the farm back home in Aus ) taught me at a young age that working with your brain was a far better option in life than working with your body. Glad I listened to him.

Any further info SaxoBoy?

ProperCharlie

how cool is that?

StickyMicky

not very, but thats the way it is

its intense physical work, its like being paid to goto the gym, if people dont like it they leave (seen many people leave) those that stay join the ranks of the elite working force, i was one of the last to be shat on in my section due to low primera sales, the next job applied for wasted no time employing me due to the previous position, and most jobs round this way are the same, if you have worked there then your more then capeable to work here (what a mate was told when he joined my current company)

the current company is in close talks with nissan about work and such and every day it changes more and more to resemble the NMUK job, its not got so bad as people dropping the kegs on the line, but i could see it becoming so within 2 years

people are leaving, mostly the older folk who simply dont want to work hard for a living, me im not botherd at all, its technicly not as demanding as the previous job, but its now getting quite close on a few of the process`s, on sum parts of the section we knock out 72 parts an hour, and it was 55 /hour when i started 14 months back