Dracoro

Also, the speed limit isn't necessarily an indicator of what's safe. In my old village, everywhere is NSL but if you went 60mph past the shop then you'd most likely be banned for a LONG time as it would be seriously dangerous driving.

Sbradley

Well, OK. 12 more in Lancashire and 8 in Cumbria does make it nigh on one a week.

So I was mistaken.

Sorry.

SB

BexTait

No probs. I know a couple of decent bikers, it's the total ***** that really pi$$ me off. One day on me way to work I almost knocked one's head off. He was cornering and leaning right over to my side of the road (wheels on double white lines in middle). I had to pull over sideways to miss him, and he straightened up too, gave me a scare tho speshly cos at the time I had only recently passed my test.

matty01

[I've nothing against 'normal' coppers but this fool is giving them a BAD name}

"Lunatic bikers who flout speed limits and ride antisocially are often
'lifestyle' criminals who take little notice of the law, "according to
one of North Yorkshire's most senior police officers.


..."LUNATIC bikers who flout speed limits..." ...they can allready be banned for what they do...

"...and ride antisocially"...they can be pulled for that and put under your scrutiny (god help us...).

"are often 'lifestyle' criminals who TAKE LITTLE NOTICE OF THE LAW".(...you cheeky bigotted f***wit.)..so why change it then,if they take so little notice?They'll ride whilst banned...
(Whereby honest Jonny Bloggs who went 5mph over the speed limit gets a ban ,(can you honestly say you have never been 5mph over the limit)and bieng an honest 'mug' will stick to it sad sad abuse of power)


Assistant Chief Constable David Collins said a "get tough" drive to
crack down on law-breaking motorcyclists would also "spotlight petty law
breakers"
....you cheeky bigotted f***wit(i suppose a "get tough " policy on unfair,stupid policing would result in a crack down on your vindictive, unfair ,kneejerk ,blunderbuss[hits everyone regardless],
and probably illegal approach to the road death problem,and would 'spotlight' your arrogant fascist approach


"...the same people who illegally modify their machines and perform
outrageous manoeuvres may well deserve police attention for 'other
reasons'."maybe 1 in 20
"it's a lifestyle,these people are the same people who drive cars and
park on double yellow lines or in disabled bays. We have got them in
our sights." oh well if they're parking on double yellows then obviously something has to be done as that's just taking crime a step too far ... i think you'll find people want drug pushers and burglers in your "sights", twisted as they may be...oh no they sometimes put up a fight...too much like hard work and there's no MONEY MONEY MONEY in it.... (this fascist twaddle makes much better headlines,and anyway this plank(s) can do what they like as motorbikes are only a minority group (but not a racial minority though ,BIG trouble there )no,bikers are a safe target...

IF THESE BIKERS ARE SPEEDFREEKS AND SO WRECKLESS AND LAWLESS then you don't need to change the law (illegal?) in 'your' area ,use the existing one ,this is an abuse of power ,the Chief Constable is misleading the courts to allow him to "just get those bikes off the roads...and i don't care how i do it !!" result : Loads of bikers give up their hobby so as not to inadvertently lose their licence or get banned for a MINOR speeding offence,the death figures fall 'cos theres no bikers about, hey presto Chief Constable says .. "i was fully justified and obviously correct to ban the scum sucking bikers off the roads for even the most petty offence 'cos look ...the death figures are down"
The car death figures would be down if you banned all the freekin' car drivers off the roads ...doesn't mean it was the right thing to do though,

Who do you think will be next eh?


"...antisocial"= any loud exhaust(...=many of us)

"illegally modify their machines" = or modify their exhaust at all (ie.non-standard,even if legal),his words....correct me if i'm wrong.

these people are the same people who drive cars and
park on double yellow lines=ANY car driver commiting ANY road 'crime'
How is it i can spot a criminal a MILE off but these idiots have to ban any biker off the road just so to get some of the bad apples the sameones that are proportionally represented in all of society,THIS IS NOT ABOUT CRIMINALS IT IS ABOUT BANNING BIKERS TO BRING DEATH FIGURES DOWN,(does that sound fair to you? )
If it was the case that most bikers are thieves like he trys to make out then he would just send his coppers to the local bike shop and collect up all the local tea-leaves as they arrive
Last time i looked it was a free country ,it looks now like if you want to do something where some people get killed doing it then LOOK OUT as you won't be doing it for long if people of this mentality get their way!!
This is a digrace of the highest order and i hope it comes back to haunt him!!

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matty01

http://www.pickering.uk.net/news/new...peed_cop.shtml
...can't see the bit about 5mph though...

Markus

Just seen this thread, not a biker myself, but it's appaling nonetheless. Talk about discrimination! They know they can't get awat with doing this to four wheeled drivers as there would be a total revolt, so go against a 'minority' group.

silly silly silly.

corradoboy

So does that mean that Truvelo and Specs cameras are illegal, as they don't catch bikers ? Nor do any of the mobile vans which catch us from the front. And how come I can be fined whilst sat in my anti-submarine seat, behind laminated glass, protected by airbags, ABS, crumple zones and side impact beams for not wearing my seatbelt, and yet bikers can perch atop their suicide machines with nothing to keep them on in an impact but 2 thumbs and their b0110x ?

Agree with what's been said though. Total ******* nonsense.

matty01

I think you'd agree that a ban it too harsh for 5mph over the limit,
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/poll.php?...lts&pollid=158
.i think the link displays the raw deal motorists get quite well while burglars get let of with a f***ing caution for the first house they burgle ,(that's a green light for burglers surley?)

lmsbman

Flame suit on.

I think that this thread shows the difference between bikers and car drivers.
I used to cover an area where there was a motorcycle meet every wednesday evening in the summer. On a good day, up to 600 bikes would turn up. They would meet at a pub have a good chat and go out for rides. Nothing wrong with that. The problem was, that a large minority of them 50+, would treat it as a race night and go out in packs of 4-6 for a race. The roads in the area are good, so speeds of 150mph+ are quite possible. Every week one or more would have a crash and over the summer there were a few fatalities.
Local people were sick to death of it as were other motorists.
Now put yourself in the Police's shoes. You know that there is a regular problem, so can you just turn a blind eye to it? Of course not.
We go out and place Speed check warning signs on all the approach roads in a 10 mile radius. Does this make any difference to the minority, does it F**K. Some get caught and then whinge and moan that we are persecuting them. WELL HELLO, I'm sorry but you brought it on yourselves.
Now, going back to my original point. I like to drive fast where it's safe and I wont get caught. But even I'm not stupid enough to think that me and half a dozen of me mates in Scoobs, can go out for a race and go unnoticed.

So the moral is, go out for a drive. Avoid drawing attention to yourself and using known 'race tracks' and the chances are you will get away with it.

tiggers

Lmsbman,

The problem as you quite clearly state is a minority doing silly speeds and as you say the speed traps don't really make a blind bit of difference to them so how is banning the sensible ones doing a mere 5mph over the limit going to help?

It's the thinking behind this I don't understand, mind you I never have understood the approach to road safety taken by any UK police force in the last 10 years.

tiggers.

Jye

The Police always target bikers, always have done, always will, so nothing new there then. I remember years ago I used to get pulled nearly every week on the bike to check my 'details' (completely illegal and harassment, although I was too niave to know this at the time). This always resulted in a hortie or some snide plod measuring the depth of my tyre tread, testing my horn, or some other obscure check that would hopefully give them a 'result'.

I guess (some) police just hate the free spirit mentality of bikers and would love to see us all plodding along (pardon the pun) in orderly quues like the rest of the country.

BTW I have a m8 in the police who rides bikes and know a few decent bike cops, and I know the above is a generalisation, but some generalisations are well founded.

Sbradley

lmsbman,

Exactly how does this show the difference in attitude between bikers and drivers? Talk to most traffic coppers who cover urban areas and you'll find that the problem they encounter is riceboys and the saxo/corsa crew who treat town one way systems like racetracks.

Go out of town and the problem seems to be reasonably evenly split. Speedwise it's about 60/40 bikers as opposed to fast car drivers. But the real problem is people on 2 or 4 wheels driving/riding badly and burying themselves in the undergrowth at best.

Here's a good example of how this screws it all up. True story. Bloke in an Audi Quattro overcooks a long sweeping left hander and drifts across the line. He collides headon with a Honda Blackbird coming the other way, killing the rider and his pillion outright. The Audi was doing over 120mph, the bike around 90. The bike could have been doing walking speed - the effect would have bene the same. But what do the stats show? 2 bike fatalities. "Something Must Be Done" say the people who just look at numbers without worryig about the facts...

As a bike journalist I'm very interested in this whole story. So I spoke to N. Yorks police and go some stats from them. In 2002 the number of bike fatalities doubled compared to 2001. But nobody has a clue why. But it's possible that the way they collect and aggregate the statistics might have changed. What isn't reasonably possible is that the number of bikers doubled overnight and then stayed that high for 2003, where the numbers are even worse. Looking at the details of the accidents is sobering. Too many didn't involve any other vehicle at all, but a large number involve junctions and other vehicles.

Let's not point the finger at each other - each group of road users has its heroes and villains - but let's not lose sight of the important thing here. If a police force can get away with targeting and demonising (whether they deny it or not) a group of road users to suit their own political aims, nothing will stop them from doing the same to another group later. Your local ACC dislikes the sound of a flat four burble? No problem - any Subaru driver found breaking the speed limit or using a non standard exhaust will be banned for 6 months. After all, if you are prepared to fit a Magnex back box then you probably have a boost guage and knock link. No doubt that means you habitually speed and we all know that means you are a drug dealer/housebreaker/contract killer/insert your lifestyle crime of choice here.

SB

Jye

Said, that man

Mick

iTrader: (1)

Blackpool have been having a crack down on speeding recently.

2 of my wifes colleagues have both been 'done' for 32 in a 30 !!! - Morons! (Policy setters, not the individual officers )

Mick

unclebuck

Agree with everything you say, but I don't believe it's the forces political aims, it's our wonderful government's. Vote the buggers out.

UB

Mick

iTrader: (1)

Errr Corradoboy... my missus has just pointed out (as I guffawed and read aloud your comments ) - that not ALL bikers have the exactly the same anatomy

Mick

tiggers

Yeah the weather's Tony Blair's fault as well you know

Sorry, but the police are guilty as charged over this one.

unclebuck

Either way is fine by me. Let's just get it sorted.

corradoboy

what would scooby do

Rightyho - just returned from spending 3 days in North Yorkshire..

What did I see ?

Well hundreds of bikers - sports bikes, tourers and even an bunch of hells angels hooning around (Blue Angels I think)

Anyhoo - what did I not see ?? - Police - I think I saw one patrol car all weekend - apart from the fleet of police cars that guard fylingdales from the hippies...

ah well