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If thats a previous head chef then i dont know what reason he had for leaving or anything about him, what I am getting at if it was so bad he would have a very high turnover of staff, which as far as I know he doesnt have or he wouldnt have much of a business or reputation.
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If thats a previous head chef then i dont know what reason he had for leaving or anything about him, what I am getting at if it was so bad he would have a very high turnover of staff, which as far as I know he doesnt have or he wouldnt have much of a business or reputation.
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Tiggs is spot on.
Did GR's method work.....NO.
Did Jamie Olivers.....YES.
Did GR's method work.....NO.
Did Jamie Olivers.....YES.
Jamie Oliver had his fair share of failure in his Fifteen kitchen....quite a few quit IIRC. Also, he had months to train them. GR is trying to transform in under a week.
Not really a ideal comparison.
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read here for the full spec of the programme if you missed it
http://www.channel4.com/life/microsi...ightmares.html
http://www.channel4.com/life/microsi...ightmares.html
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Actually, you may all want to read this....
http://www.thisisbradford.co.uk/brad...IG_NEWS11.html
Just goes to show that what we see on tv usually is the contrived, manipulated, biased version of events that make good tv viewing.....
eg,
During filming, Ramsay -- famous for his fiery temper and reputation for hurling abuse at his staff -- had asked what Tim's signature dish was and instructed him to make it. But the only scallops available were no longer fresh and had been put on the side ready to be thrown away.
Tim explained: "I'm sure he knew they were off. He said they didn't look good, but told me to go ahead.
"I was too nervous to argue but I never thought he would eat one."
Ramsey did, and soon after was violently sick. Tim added: "I felt terrible. I thought, `Oh God I've poisoned Gordon Ramsay', but he said not to worry, it would make great television. When the cameras are on he is a real hard so-and-so, but when the cameras were off he was a bit different, a bit more relaxed."
http://www.thisisbradford.co.uk/brad...IG_NEWS11.html
Just goes to show that what we see on tv usually is the contrived, manipulated, biased version of events that make good tv viewing.....
eg,
During filming, Ramsay -- famous for his fiery temper and reputation for hurling abuse at his staff -- had asked what Tim's signature dish was and instructed him to make it. But the only scallops available were no longer fresh and had been put on the side ready to be thrown away.
Tim explained: "I'm sure he knew they were off. He said they didn't look good, but told me to go ahead.
"I was too nervous to argue but I never thought he would eat one."
Ramsey did, and soon after was violently sick. Tim added: "I felt terrible. I thought, `Oh God I've poisoned Gordon Ramsay', but he said not to worry, it would make great television. When the cameras are on he is a real hard so-and-so, but when the cameras were off he was a bit different, a bit more relaxed."
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Sorry, but I do not see why chef's like GR can treat staff the way they do. There is a HUGE difference between being assertive and being a bully. If, in real life, GR does behave like a bully then that's a big no-no!
People always spout on about GR doing it so he gets perfection etc but if you properly motivate your staff (and that doesn't mean F'ing and insulting them) then you will get the results.
Can't think of any other profession (with perhaps the exception of the army) were bosses can treat their staff so appallingly and get away with it. Would you put up with being treated like that??
Jamie Oliver gets a right going over from lots of people but has a much better attitude towards staff than GR. And we're not comparing like with like as regards Kitchen nightmares and Fifteen as Jamie was working with kids who'd never been in a kitchen before, so wouldn't know whether they were cut out to work in a kitchen, no wonder some left!, whereas GR is meant to be dealing with already trained chefs - a big difference.
People always spout on about GR doing it so he gets perfection etc but if you properly motivate your staff (and that doesn't mean F'ing and insulting them) then you will get the results.
Can't think of any other profession (with perhaps the exception of the army) were bosses can treat their staff so appallingly and get away with it. Would you put up with being treated like that??
Jamie Oliver gets a right going over from lots of people but has a much better attitude towards staff than GR. And we're not comparing like with like as regards Kitchen nightmares and Fifteen as Jamie was working with kids who'd never been in a kitchen before, so wouldn't know whether they were cut out to work in a kitchen, no wonder some left!, whereas GR is meant to be dealing with already trained chefs - a big difference.
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Hang on a sec - Does Jamie Olivers way work - well no, not really. Did you see how much money he lost, and the fall out rate ? He was too soft. In a hard physical industry you have to be hard on the staff.
Does Ramsay's way work - course it does - he has the most successful restaurants around and makes a fortune.
If anybody watched a program a few months ago called 'The Carrot and the Stick', the hard approach is a far bigger incentive when looking at physical challenges, than the soft lets have a hug approach.
Does Ramsay's way work - course it does - he has the most successful restaurants around and makes a fortune.
If anybody watched a program a few months ago called 'The Carrot and the Stick', the hard approach is a far bigger incentive when looking at physical challenges, than the soft lets have a hug approach.
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Most serious chefs would give an arm and leg to work at a Ramsey restaurant.. Mostly because it's great for the CV and adds to their personal value. Ramsey must then have to pay his chefs a good rate otherwise they would up and leave.. His style is abrasive but it is a fast moving and potentially hazardous environment..
Anyways works for him and IMHO it was the most entertaining telly I'd seen for ages.. Even if it was hammed up a bit!
Anyways works for him and IMHO it was the most entertaining telly I'd seen for ages.. Even if it was hammed up a bit!
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If anybody watched a program a few months ago called 'The Carrot and the Stick', the hard approach is a far bigger incentive when looking at physical challenges, than the soft lets have a hug approach.
The final challenge swung on where to look for a team member and the stick team struck lucky finding there team member first.
So no the hard approach is NOT a far bigger incentive not everyone works the same way.
Dont get me wrong i think a balanced approach is best with a bit of an eye on who responds to which type of incentive best
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good post by imlach.......lots of these shows are now becoming so false you may as well watch a drama like the office!
wife swap was another example where you could just imagine the producers egging the ppl on the argue with each other.
ramsay may as well do david brents hammertime dance!
wife swap was another example where you could just imagine the producers egging the ppl on the argue with each other.
ramsay may as well do david brents hammertime dance!
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carrot and stick.
You forgot to mention that the stick team and the land rover pull. The game was skewed in favour to the carrot team as one side of the land rover pull was obviously earier than the other. The carrot team had the easy side twice the stick team once
You forgot to mention that the stick team and the land rover pull. The game was skewed in favour to the carrot team as one side of the land rover pull was obviously earier than the other. The carrot team had the easy side twice the stick team once
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I did miss this episode but on the whole i thought it was a very interesting experiment and much closer than i expected as i actually expected the stick team to win by a mile when i saw how truly pathetic the carrot teams "training" was.
On a family skiing trip once my father and i attempted to coax my sister (a slowly improving beginner) down a particulary long blue run which to her was quite a step up from the nursery run.
After an hour of watching my father shout swear and belittle her attempts to slowly traverse down the slope I lost my rag and for the first time in my life Swore at my father and told him to P1ss off to the nearest bar and leave her to me.
Within minutes of overly enthusiast praise and encouragement at anything she did right she was skiing and making good stem turns with confidence and moving down the slope with a fair turn of speed.
My father who was drinking in the bar we skied passed had settled down confidently with a beer expecting us to take ages jumped on his skis to catch up and promptly fell over right in front of my sister.
The smug smile on her face was a picture
On a family skiing trip once my father and i attempted to coax my sister (a slowly improving beginner) down a particulary long blue run which to her was quite a step up from the nursery run.
After an hour of watching my father shout swear and belittle her attempts to slowly traverse down the slope I lost my rag and for the first time in my life Swore at my father and told him to P1ss off to the nearest bar and leave her to me.
Within minutes of overly enthusiast praise and encouragement at anything she did right she was skiing and making good stem turns with confidence and moving down the slope with a fair turn of speed.
My father who was drinking in the bar we skied passed had settled down confidently with a beer expecting us to take ages jumped on his skis to catch up and promptly fell over right in front of my sister.
The smug smile on her face was a picture
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Ramsay employs about 900 people in his restaurant businesses. Those businesses make him a fortune.
He must be doing something right with his management style - maybe some of his passion rubs off on people and makes them passionate about what they do.
BTW, to those who think he's a ***, I saw him at Goodwood and he was just enjoying the day wandering around with all the other punters (having driven his 575M up the hill...)
He must be doing something right with his management style - maybe some of his passion rubs off on people and makes them passionate about what they do.
BTW, to those who think he's a ***, I saw him at Goodwood and he was just enjoying the day wandering around with all the other punters (having driven his 575M up the hill...)
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