FMIC with TD04?
05 May 2004, 04:04 AM
#31
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Here and there
Posts: 8,353
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
It's bad enough that the guys that buy the Hybrid have to cut their bumpers at all
05 May 2004, 10:24 AM
#32
Scooby Newbie
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: cocker mouth
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Not completely true, the Pace doesn't (but as Adam mentions it's not that good,)
I have seen pictures of another kit (can't remember which one right now ,but i'll try and find out, maybe someone else can remember ) where the only cutting seemed to be a small area on each inside edge of the lower opening, and it only looked about the size of a credit card that had to be cut.
It just seems from a lot of the Hybrid owners that there is an obscene amount of cutting to do and it isn't easy. And looking at the pictures of the fitted ones there doesn't seem much meat left on the the front lip, which to me looks a bit odd, apart from one picture where a guy had fitted a front splitter and that looked a bit better and it also hid the fact that the intercooler actually sat below the level of the bumper which to me also looks out of place.
I have seen pictures of another kit (can't remember which one right now ,but i'll try and find out, maybe someone else can remember ) where the only cutting seemed to be a small area on each inside edge of the lower opening, and it only looked about the size of a credit card that had to be cut.
It just seems from a lot of the Hybrid owners that there is an obscene amount of cutting to do and it isn't easy. And looking at the pictures of the fitted ones there doesn't seem much meat left on the the front lip, which to me looks a bit odd, apart from one picture where a guy had fitted a front splitter and that looked a bit better and it also hid the fact that the intercooler actually sat below the level of the bumper which to me also looks out of place.
05 May 2004, 11:06 AM
#33
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Glasgow
Posts: 3,040
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
jap-si
Some valid points with regard to what happens if things go wrong, but what you may not be aware of is that this intercooler kit came about because Harvey wanted to tune his other Impreza on a budget as opposed to the big budget Sti that the majority of regulars on here know about.
On sourcing what he believes to be a value for money kit with the right spec required, he thought it would be a good idea to allow others to "move on" in the tuning game without the inherent cost of some of the better known and proven kits which had been putting people off due to cost.
The way i see it, should there be an issue with the "hybrid", the owner would contact the supplier/manufacturer direct with the problem and sort it out that way. All Harvey has done (and other group buy organisers) has been to arrange these purchases to be done in the simplest of manners and at a price, due to volume of sales, which benefit all.
Some valid points with regard to what happens if things go wrong, but what you may not be aware of is that this intercooler kit came about because Harvey wanted to tune his other Impreza on a budget as opposed to the big budget Sti that the majority of regulars on here know about.
On sourcing what he believes to be a value for money kit with the right spec required, he thought it would be a good idea to allow others to "move on" in the tuning game without the inherent cost of some of the better known and proven kits which had been putting people off due to cost.
The way i see it, should there be an issue with the "hybrid", the owner would contact the supplier/manufacturer direct with the problem and sort it out that way. All Harvey has done (and other group buy organisers) has been to arrange these purchases to be done in the simplest of manners and at a price, due to volume of sales, which benefit all.
Last edited by AlanG; 05 May 2004 at 11:14 AM.
05 May 2004, 01:15 PM
#35
Scooby Newbie
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: cocker mouth
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Sorry Scooby-tc i had just got up and was a bit bleary eyed i take that back. 
AlanG : there is no doubt that this kit is excellent value, (unless you destroy a bumper in the fitting of it!!!) and as you rightly say because you are a regular on here you know the score as far as Harvey sourcing this item for the reasons you mention.
As i am new to SN, i don't know Harvey's reputation, and as i have said before i am coming from an outsiders point of view on this, and so i'm not swayed by his reputation.
The point about come-back for buyers of this product is possibly a serious one, and maybe Harvey or someone else who knows the situation with it can let us all know.
I am sure there must be some guys reading this who are considering the Hybrid and are worried about this issue, after all £450 is still a fair sum of money.
So my question is this: How easy is it for someone to order a spare part i.e.another core, or if they have a serious complaint with it, is there a company that can be easily phoned or contacted (i.e somewhere in this country would be fine, if it was Australia for example, then that could cause a few problems regarding getting spare parts although it wouldn't be a problem with technical info as at least they speak our language)
I don't know what country this product comes from, but if it is made in China or the far east then my guess is that you will not get to talk to the manufacturer (and for anything in the motorsport industry that could be a serious problem unless they have a uk distributor that is prepared to take the wrap for any problems with it)
This product looks great value for money, but i see some potential problems (which could be serious ones) so rather than knock me for bringing them up, lets just get the honest answers to them, it may even make it worth our while and we could end up with lots of group buys on it because it ends up to be the bargain it appears to be (apart from the fitting of it). or maybe it will just sway people to spend a bit more money for piece of mind.
AlanG : there is no doubt that this kit is excellent value, (unless you destroy a bumper in the fitting of it!!!) and as you rightly say because you are a regular on here you know the score as far as Harvey sourcing this item for the reasons you mention.
As i am new to SN, i don't know Harvey's reputation, and as i have said before i am coming from an outsiders point of view on this, and so i'm not swayed by his reputation.
The point about come-back for buyers of this product is possibly a serious one, and maybe Harvey or someone else who knows the situation with it can let us all know.
I am sure there must be some guys reading this who are considering the Hybrid and are worried about this issue, after all £450 is still a fair sum of money.
So my question is this: How easy is it for someone to order a spare part i.e.another core, or if they have a serious complaint with it, is there a company that can be easily phoned or contacted (i.e somewhere in this country would be fine, if it was Australia for example, then that could cause a few problems regarding getting spare parts although it wouldn't be a problem with technical info as at least they speak our language)
I don't know what country this product comes from, but if it is made in China or the far east then my guess is that you will not get to talk to the manufacturer (and for anything in the motorsport industry that could be a serious problem unless they have a uk distributor that is prepared to take the wrap for any problems with it)
This product looks great value for money, but i see some potential problems (which could be serious ones) so rather than knock me for bringing them up, lets just get the honest answers to them, it may even make it worth our while and we could end up with lots of group buys on it because it ends up to be the bargain it appears to be (apart from the fitting of it).
or maybe it will just sway people to spend a bit more money for piece of mind.
05 May 2004, 01:20 PM
#36
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: North Staffs. UK
Posts: 2,046
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Err - I quote Harvey from the second group buy - 'Due to the popularity of the last group buy for a front mount intercooler, a second group buy is being organised. Price is 708$ for a polished intercooler and 608$ unpolished. This represents really good value however please note that fitting requires a fair bit of work and modification so if you are carrying the installation out yourself you need to be prepared for this.
Refer to the thread in drivetrain about our experiences on the previous group buy.
'
Think he's pretty clear about the amount of work there.....
AFAIC, I've been told about a new I/C that is Front Mounted, is half the normal price, works as well as any other (for my purposes), is considerably better for cooling than the current TMIC I have, is cheaper than a new, larger TMIC, BUT requires 'project' style fitment, rather than bolt-on. I've had all my questions answered wrt lag/fitting/re-maps etc by various members of SN, who have these coolers and so I'm happy to buy one -
I certainly haven't seen any one-sided posts, of the sort you describe - No more than me posting a 'happy experience' story on TSL for example.
If anyone has one of these Hybrid I/Cs but doesn't like it, I'm sure they'd say ---
I don't think anyone is claiming that they are some sort of 'utopia' device, but I, for one, am happy for someone to post regarding a new, relative cheap, item that is available...
Mark
Refer to the thread in drivetrain about our experiences on the previous group buy.
'
Think he's pretty clear about the amount of work there.....
AFAIC, I've been told about a new I/C that is Front Mounted, is half the normal price, works as well as any other (for my purposes), is considerably better for cooling than the current TMIC I have, is cheaper than a new, larger TMIC, BUT requires 'project' style fitment, rather than bolt-on. I've had all my questions answered wrt lag/fitting/re-maps etc by various members of SN, who have these coolers and so I'm happy to buy one -
I certainly haven't seen any one-sided posts, of the sort you describe - No more than me posting a 'happy experience' story on TSL for example.
If anyone has one of these Hybrid I/Cs but doesn't like it, I'm sure they'd say ---
I don't think anyone is claiming that they are some sort of 'utopia' device, but I, for one, am happy for someone to post regarding a new, relative cheap, item that is available...
Mark
05 May 2004, 02:16 PM
#37
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: where the wild roses grow
Posts: 5,122
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by jap-si
Harvey, I really hope you don't take any of what i've said the wrong way,
but i hope there maybe something i've said that makes you stop and think before you really push your views on to people where they seem to take you so seriously that they don't make decisions for themselves... remember with SN you should be helping people to pick what products they want not telling them what to buy.
Harvey speaks from his own opinion and experience, so does everyone else. It is up to each individual reader to decide how much credence to allocate to every comment they read here, and up to each reader how much deference they pay to the "reputation" of anyone posting said comments.
If someone were to buy (or not buy) anything solely on the basis of something somebody here says, they have only themselves to blame for any consequences. It's disingenuous to claim that Harvey has somehow forced his opinions on users, and inaccurate to claim that he's posted wantonly misleading information on this subject.
05 May 2004, 02:31 PM
#38
Scooby Newbie
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 8
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
be like getting your engine bored to 2.5 ltr and using the old 2ltr Pistons
Completely and utterly agree with Harvey here. 110%.
Too big... Eh?!
That carbon pipes intercooler looks completely and utter tosh. The intercooler is too small, the pipework has two many sections and wont flow nearly as smoothly as the hybrid fmics, hks fmics etc.
05 May 2004, 02:44 PM
#39
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 7,957
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Si,
there is a saying that we use in our "area" (what does that mean?), its called Caveat Emptor - buyer beware.
We are talking solid bits of intercooler here, we aren't tlking complex machinery? What exactly do you think is going to go wrong? If you need parts for the thing, since you can get hold of the kit in the first place, what makes you think you can't get another? If you need to, why is it harvey's responsibility to sort it out and warn people? he isn't a distributor, he is just trying to help others do what he did.
I have no idea what you are referring to wih compensation claims! if pipe work shorts out across your battery terminals, then I would be looking to sue god for not giving you the brain to realise what you are doing. That would not be the responsibility of the manufacture.
The oly potential concern I could think of would be parts of the core becoming internally dislodged and flying into the engine. I have never heard of that happening with any intercooler core.
Its all very nice of you to make people question their purchases in advance, but it really seems to come off as a vendetta. In my opinion there is nothing more dodgy about buying this intercooler than buying anything for your car. If you seriously think you will get indemnity for further fault associated with a compinent failure then I think you are seriously misguided. A manufacturer can't be held responsible for a chain of events stemming from a component failure, as it is entirely circumstantial.
Either way I think you are making a serious mountain out of a molehill. If you aren't comfortable buying a hybrid, then don't, but don't cast aspersions about products and people from what really appears to be a poorly educated point of view.
As you say, you are new here, if you have concerns to voice then perhaps you would be better off sending a private email, until you understand the people and the products you are dealing with.
there is a saying that we use in our "area" (what does that mean?), its called Caveat Emptor - buyer beware.
We are talking solid bits of intercooler here, we aren't tlking complex machinery? What exactly do you think is going to go wrong? If you need parts for the thing, since you can get hold of the kit in the first place, what makes you think you can't get another? If you need to, why is it harvey's responsibility to sort it out and warn people? he isn't a distributor, he is just trying to help others do what he did.
I have no idea what you are referring to wih compensation claims! if pipe work shorts out across your battery terminals, then I would be looking to sue god for not giving you the brain to realise what you are doing. That would not be the responsibility of the manufacture.
The oly potential concern I could think of would be parts of the core becoming internally dislodged and flying into the engine. I have never heard of that happening with any intercooler core.
Its all very nice of you to make people question their purchases in advance, but it really seems to come off as a vendetta. In my opinion there is nothing more dodgy about buying this intercooler than buying anything for your car. If you seriously think you will get indemnity for further fault associated with a compinent failure then I think you are seriously misguided. A manufacturer can't be held responsible for a chain of events stemming from a component failure, as it is entirely circumstantial.
Either way I think you are making a serious mountain out of a molehill. If you aren't comfortable buying a hybrid, then don't, but don't cast aspersions about products and people from what really appears to be a poorly educated point of view.
As you say, you are new here, if you have concerns to voice then perhaps you would be better off sending a private email, until you understand the people and the products you are dealing with.
05 May 2004, 03:58 PM
#40
Scooby Newbie
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: cocker mouth
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Adam, i seem to be getting you a bit anoyed, that was not my intention, there is certainly no vendetta invovled here and i have said enough times that i do not question Harvey's knowledge at all , If i come across that way then take this as an appology, i may come across as blunt and to the point but that's just me.
As far as potential problems/compensation is concerned then my own experience is this, i had a K&N induction kit
I would have said that the K&N comes under that statement too, but there is a small plastic pipe that is pushed into the main rubber intake hose, that on the kit i got was made from a substandard plastic and it went brittle and broke off damaging the turbo impeller, i took it to the top and eventually got the repair paid for as compensation, this is a fact.
So because of my unfortunate experience maybe thats why i'm questioning the back up for this product, and if you think a question like that is not worthy of bringing up on this forum for other people to read, then that is going to seriously limit peoples knowledge of a product before spending their hard earned cash on it, and surely that is not what SN is about.
So instead of getting worked up at the way i've asked these questions, why not answer them in a straight forward way. Nobody has yet answered the question of where they come from and can the likes of me phone the manufacturer to ask them questions, because at the moment the only contact seems to be Harvey (unless there is company we can call and that has been discussed ages ago before i was ever on SN, If so just tell me and the discussion is at an end ).
Finally from adams point, if i had one of these and a stone/ road kill or any other object went through the core whilst driving (and that is going to happen to someone at some point) then just now from what you say, their only option is to buy a complete new kit, that certainly wouldn't make it a bargain.
As far as potential problems/compensation is concerned then my own experience is this, i had a K&N induction kit
we aren't tlking complex machinery? What exactly do you think is going to go wrong?
So because of my unfortunate experience maybe thats why i'm questioning the back up for this product, and if you think a question like that is not worthy of bringing up on this forum for other people to read, then that is going to seriously limit peoples knowledge of a product before spending their hard earned cash on it, and surely that is not what SN is about.
So instead of getting worked up at the way i've asked these questions, why not answer them in a straight forward way. Nobody has yet answered the question of where they come from and can the likes of me phone the manufacturer to ask them questions, because at the moment the only contact seems to be Harvey (unless there is company we can call and that has been discussed ages ago before i was ever on SN, If so just tell me and the discussion is at an end ).
Finally from adams point, if i had one of these and a stone/ road kill or any other object went through the core whilst driving (and that is going to happen to someone at some point) then just now from what you say, their only option is to buy a complete new kit, that certainly wouldn't make it a bargain.
06 May 2004, 03:58 AM
#41
Scooby Regular
Join Date: May 2002
Location: 2005 sso, 1/4 finals,3rd in 60ft; 2004 sso,semi finals,2nd in 60ft time; 2003 standard car 2nd 60ft
Posts: 4,909
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
pmsl @ this 1, and no its not me harvey ive just got in from work m8 12hr night shift
06 May 2004, 11:46 AM
#42
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Glasgow
Posts: 3,040
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
jap-si
I think i understand where you are coming from in that you have reservations in buying *anything* from abroad due to the concerns you have outlined, which is a valid point, however there are those consumers who are prepared to take that chance and use the knowledge and experience gained from others to allow them to make their own decision as to who shall receive their hard earned funds.
To give you an example, and it's based directly on your quote:
I ordered an intercooler kit from Australia on a Tuesday morning (2am) GMT and the kit arrived at my door on the Friday morning (8:30am). It was fitted in to the car and running by 5pm that day. Great you say, but what about after sales service. Well...a few months later, i split a hose because the compressor blades parted company with the turbo on track. One phone call to the company and 4 days later a new silicone pipe arrived in the UK, no charge, despite the fault not originating with the quality of the product. I can't complain at all and would use them again without blinking an eye but unfortunately too many people think the kit is expensive and tend to go for the cheaper option every time.
Fine you say, you've been lucky, but maybe not so fortunate next time. Yes it's true what you may be saying, but doing your homework and making your own opinion on the company (instinct) will tell you whether to go with them or not.
I think i understand where you are coming from in that you have reservations in buying *anything* from abroad due to the concerns you have outlined, which is a valid point, however there are those consumers who are prepared to take that chance and use the knowledge and experience gained from others to allow them to make their own decision as to who shall receive their hard earned funds.
To give you an example, and it's based directly on your quote:
somewhere in this country would be fine, if it was Australia for example, then that could cause a few problems regarding getting spare parts
Fine you say, you've been lucky, but maybe not so fortunate next time. Yes it's true what you may be saying, but doing your homework and making your own opinion on the company (instinct) will tell you whether to go with them or not.
06 May 2004, 11:50 AM
#43
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Glasgow
Posts: 3,040
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I would also like to say jap-si that i've never seen the "hybrid" kit, so am unqualified to comment if it's any good or not.
My comments re: Harvey are based on what i know of him in that i would be surprised if he made up this group buy on a whim.
Nothing worse than 20/30 blokes after their pint of blood if it all went pear shaped!!
My comments re: Harvey are based on what i know of him in that i would be surprised if he made up this group buy on a whim.
Nothing worse than 20/30 blokes after their pint of blood if it all went pear shaped!!
06 May 2004, 11:54 AM
#44
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Glasgow
Posts: 3,040
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I suppose as well... what you would really like is someone to take up the position of being a distributor of the "hybrid" intercooler kits in this country to take away the element of worry associated in dealing with companies many thousands of miles away.
06 May 2004, 12:23 PM
#45
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Out of darkness cometh light
Posts: 1,457
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by AlanG
I suppose as well... what you would really like is someone to take up the position of being a distributor of the "hybrid" intercooler kits in this country to take away the element of worry associated in dealing with companies many thousands of miles away.
06 May 2004, 05:04 PM
#46
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Glasgow
Posts: 3,040
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Yep what with overheads, shipping costs, insurance, employees salary, NI contributions etc etc, the list goes on.
I think jap-si though as a newbie is just very wary of such "buys", especially those parts sourced in foreign lands.
My advise to him would be to source what you want in this country if you need piece of mind.
I think jap-si though as a newbie is just very wary of such "buys", especially those parts sourced in foreign lands.
My advise to him would be to source what you want in this country if you need piece of mind.
06 May 2004, 07:19 PM
#50
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Cambridgeshire
Posts: 1,541
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Hmmm - it seems like lets slate the Hybrid and promote our FMIC
Jap-si aka Pete posted in another thread :-
Hmmmmm motive...
Cheers
Jap-si aka Pete posted in another thread :-
Hello lads, this is Pete (the guy who is producing this new FMIC)
First up, appologies for the Tag, but i've had to borrow a log-in name to get on line to answer a few of your questions.
(MESSAGE TO SCOOBYNET MODERATOR: i've been waiting all day for an email from scoobynet to activate my registration and nothing has appeared, maybe worth getting it checked out)
Down to business: FAQs
Q) Do i have to cut the bumper?
A) The first FMIC fitting is going ahead this week and it is looking increasingly like the bumper is only going to need two small semi-circle cuts, ,one on each side of the lower opening to allow the hoses to pass behind the bumper. You will however have to remove any grill in the lower part of the bumper.( Very early models have to have some plastic grilling cut away, and unfortunately there is no way of getting around that.)
Q) How big is the i/cooler matrix?
A) It is approx. 2 to 2 1/2 times the volume of the standard one ( for the 280bhp version) It also is the same size as the opening i.e. 700mm long and 160mm high, (hence there is virtually no cutting of the bumper required)
The higher bhp versions will be the same length and height but it will be deeper which means you still should not have to cut much or any of the bumper away.
Q) Why not produce the higher bhp version as standard? and what's the difference?
A) I go back to my last answer, the higher horse power matrix is bigger, but that puts the price up. There are also a lot of sub 300bhp cars out there that will suit the standard one and that is where i hope to get the volume of sales.
The only difference with a higher bhp i/cooler is that it can handle a larger volume/ flow of air, and the only problem with making the matrix very big for say up to 500bhp, is that if your car is only 300bhp then you are going to have a worse lag time and you gain no more power with a 500bhp i/cooler than you would with a 350bhp one. You would be better off getting an intercooler to suit the bhp of your car to maximise it's performance.
Q) What's the difference between carbon fibre hosing and metal?
A) The reason for having a FMIC is to lower the induction temperature, if you put metal tubing or hosing in your i/cooler system, then over a short period of time the metal tubing conducts the heat from the engine (and in the case of alloy it does it extremely well) and thus it increases the temp of the air going through it -NOT IDEAL!
But with Carbon fibre it is not such a good heat conductor so it helps keep the induction temperature down. Also the carbon tubing is manufactured by my company, and my biggest customer is Samco Sport who have just put it in their product range for use in induction and i/cooler kits!!! Need i say more.
First up, appologies for the Tag, but i've had to borrow a log-in name to get on line to answer a few of your questions.
(MESSAGE TO SCOOBYNET MODERATOR: i've been waiting all day for an email from scoobynet to activate my registration and nothing has appeared, maybe worth getting it checked out)
Down to business: FAQs
Q) Do i have to cut the bumper?
A) The first FMIC fitting is going ahead this week and it is looking increasingly like the bumper is only going to need two small semi-circle cuts, ,one on each side of the lower opening to allow the hoses to pass behind the bumper. You will however have to remove any grill in the lower part of the bumper.( Very early models have to have some plastic grilling cut away, and unfortunately there is no way of getting around that.)
Q) How big is the i/cooler matrix?
A) It is approx. 2 to 2 1/2 times the volume of the standard one ( for the 280bhp version) It also is the same size as the opening i.e. 700mm long and 160mm high, (hence there is virtually no cutting of the bumper required)
The higher bhp versions will be the same length and height but it will be deeper which means you still should not have to cut much or any of the bumper away.
Q) Why not produce the higher bhp version as standard? and what's the difference?
A) I go back to my last answer, the higher horse power matrix is bigger, but that puts the price up. There are also a lot of sub 300bhp cars out there that will suit the standard one and that is where i hope to get the volume of sales.
The only difference with a higher bhp i/cooler is that it can handle a larger volume/ flow of air, and the only problem with making the matrix very big for say up to 500bhp, is that if your car is only 300bhp then you are going to have a worse lag time and you gain no more power with a 500bhp i/cooler than you would with a 350bhp one. You would be better off getting an intercooler to suit the bhp of your car to maximise it's performance.
Q) What's the difference between carbon fibre hosing and metal?
A) The reason for having a FMIC is to lower the induction temperature, if you put metal tubing or hosing in your i/cooler system, then over a short period of time the metal tubing conducts the heat from the engine (and in the case of alloy it does it extremely well) and thus it increases the temp of the air going through it -NOT IDEAL!
But with Carbon fibre it is not such a good heat conductor so it helps keep the induction temperature down. Also the carbon tubing is manufactured by my company, and my biggest customer is Samco Sport who have just put it in their product range for use in induction and i/cooler kits!!! Need i say more.
Cheers
Last edited by Delboy2; 06 May 2004 at 07:30 PM.
06 May 2004, 07:36 PM
#51
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Glasgow
Posts: 3,040
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
i dont think your gonna win alan
What's to win?I couldn't care less what anyone uses, i'm only giving feedback on a topic the way i see it. Certainly don't have a motive, so if anyone thinks i did, i'd like to hear it.
Everybody's tastes are different, so do it your own way
06 May 2004, 07:41 PM
#52
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: stonehaven aberdeenshire
Posts: 219
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
in a nutshell for scooby newbyish bhoy i have a 1994 wrx import ,slanted tmic,full decat what would the benifts of fmic be? have asked hybrid dealer and its upto £630 for kit looked at pace £840ish lot of dosh not too keen on choppin bumpers to bits lookin for a bit more performance,also told you have to have an induction kit hence more dosh any answers app
ta
ta
06 May 2004, 08:15 PM
#53
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Herts
Posts: 714
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I would be interested in any opinions about the relative merits of (say) Harvey's GB hybrid versus a good quality top mount such as the APS. Both systems would be within my price bracket, I'm more interested in peoples experience/thoughts in terms of improved performance and ability to accomodate a larger turbo at a later date. I assume the APS TMIC would be easier to fit than any FMIC?
I have a TEK3'd MY00 btw.
Thanks.
I have a TEK3'd MY00 btw.
Thanks.
06 May 2004, 09:42 PM
#54
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: North Staffs. UK
Posts: 2,046
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Neilswrx, what other mods do you have ? To gain more than a few HP, I'd think you'd need a re-map after fitting the FMIC - Also, what are you hoping to achieve - I'm currently running 280 from my TD04'd UK car and I'm still on TMIC - RichWild is running TMIC with 350bhp, so FMIC is not necessarily your next call....
While you're on though - which 'hybrid dealer' ? and when you say 'up to', do you mean its increased in price, or that they offered a varied price/model ?
Mark
While you're on though - which 'hybrid dealer' ? and when you say 'up to', do you mean its increased in price, or that they offered a varied price/model ?
Mark
06 May 2004, 10:06 PM
#55
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: stonehaven aberdeenshire
Posts: 219
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
from site on ebay initial/last bid was £490 for the upto 380bhp fmic ,think he was hoping for a lot more also have itg panel filter fitted and hoping to get scoobyecu would like a little more pickup in lower/mid rev range.told car had initiall 220 as standard ?? late 1994 model z4 ecu cant seem to find anyway up here(aberdeen )to confirm/deny horses.last owner reckoned on running normal ul(no booster )with the odd tank of super.now currently optimax +millers
thought induction kit would be next on list but open to advice
thanks
thought induction kit would be next on list but open to advice
thanks
Last edited by neilswrx; 06 May 2004 at 10:11 PM.
06 May 2004, 10:26 PM
#56
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: where the wild roses grow
Posts: 5,122
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by Delboy2
Hmmm - it seems like lets slate the Hybrid and promote our FMIC
Jap-si aka Pete posted in another thread :-
Hmmmmm motive...
Jap-si aka Pete posted in another thread :-
Hmmmmm motive...
1) Mr Si's apparent involvement with the product offered above proves that he doesn't know a huge amount about intercoolers, and thus his apparent criticism of Harvey's opinions are even more questionable now than they were before.
2) Disagreeing with Harvey's opinions is one thing, but doing it when there would appear to be an underlying conflict of interest/hidden agenda is a very unpleasant issue indeed.
Mr Si, care to clarify your position???
06 May 2004, 11:58 PM
#57
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Here and there
Posts: 8,353
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Monsrosity is the perfect description.For the money you wont better the hybrid.because its new too many people are too keen to slate it at the end of the day you pay ya money and take ya choice.Whinging about cutting bumpers is childs play.You will 9 time out of 10 have to cut your bumper to accomodate a fmic so stop moaning and deal with the facts.If you are unsure about cutting bumpers then by almeans stick with TMIC at the end of the day everyone takes risks with modding,if ou dont want to take the risks then dont,just dont moan about them
07 May 2004, 12:23 AM
#59
Scooby Newbie
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: cocker mouth
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Greasemonkey And Delboy2:
Please do not associate me with this company you mention, i had only been in contact with them twice over the phone, and to be honest i had forgotten that the following happened:
I don't see why i have to do this but i'm going to explain the situation so that i don't get in to trouble with this FMIC company. My name is Simon as my login name suggests, not Pete who used my login on one occasion only.
To clarify this terrible mix up, as you can see from the text you have quoted, Pete borrowed my login to answer some questions that seemed to be kicking about on SN at the time, and he was doing it because I called his company to ask a few questions myself as i am looking for an FMIC, and that's where any association with his company ends. (I still haven't decided on a FMIC hence the questions about the Hybrid, which i was considering because of the price).
And again as the text says, he could not get logged on to SN and so asked if he could borrow my login so that he could immediately answer some straight forward questions that I and other SN users had, (he probably wanted to do this to shut some of the sceptics up that i've noticed are on here from time to time.) ....and yes, before you say it you can include me in on that one. But at least he answered the questions in a straight forward way...Which if you notice, still nobody has answered my question of where the Hybrid comes from or if the manufacturer can be contacted. I am interested in getting one of these if i can get an answer to my 8loody questions.
So to clarify again, I have absolutely nothing to do with this other company, and I appologise to Pete if i have given him or his company a bad name/reputation because of the things i've been asking on SN...Sorry M8 ( if you read this at all ).
Finally,
I have got to say i'm getting a bit pi$$ed off with the way some of you don't like that i'm questioning the quality of a product that only a handful of people own , and so we only have a few peoples opinions of it.
THEY ARE PERFECTLY REASONABLE QUESTIONS, SO STOP WASTING YOUR TIME TRYING TO PICK ME UP FOR THINGS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT I'M ASKING AND JUST ANSWER THEM..... AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE ANSWERS THEN WHY THE 4ELL ARE YOU POSTING REPLIES ON THE SUBJECT!!!
At least some people (AlanG along with a couple of others) seem to understand where i'm coming from and want to discuss the subject at hand
rather than waste time defending people and products with empty arguments.
Now that i've got that off my chest, anything else you'd like to discuss...cars like cossies that are better than Scobbies maybe.
Please do not associate me with this company you mention, i had only been in contact with them twice over the phone, and to be honest i had forgotten that the following happened:
I don't see why i have to do this but i'm going to explain the situation so that i don't get in to trouble with this FMIC company. My name is Simon as my login name suggests, not Pete who used my login on one occasion only.
To clarify this terrible mix up, as you can see from the text you have quoted, Pete borrowed my login to answer some questions that seemed to be kicking about on SN at the time, and he was doing it because I called his company to ask a few questions myself as i am looking for an FMIC, and that's where any association with his company ends. (I still haven't decided on a FMIC hence the questions about the Hybrid, which i was considering because of the price).
And again as the text says, he could not get logged on to SN and so asked if he could borrow my login so that he could immediately answer some straight forward questions that I and other SN users had, (he probably wanted to do this to shut some of the sceptics up that i've noticed are on here from time to time.) ....and yes, before you say it you can include me in on that one. But at least he answered the questions in a straight forward way...Which if you notice, still nobody has answered my question of where the Hybrid comes from or if the manufacturer can be contacted. I am interested in getting one of these if i can get an answer to my 8loody questions.
So to clarify again, I have absolutely nothing to do with this other company, and I appologise to Pete if i have given him or his company a bad name/reputation because of the things i've been asking on SN...Sorry M8 ( if you read this at all ).
Finally,
I have got to say i'm getting a bit pi$$ed off with the way some of you don't like that i'm questioning the quality of a product that only a handful of people own , and so we only have a few peoples opinions of it.
THEY ARE PERFECTLY REASONABLE QUESTIONS, SO STOP WASTING YOUR TIME TRYING TO PICK ME UP FOR THINGS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT I'M ASKING AND JUST ANSWER THEM..... AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE ANSWERS THEN WHY THE 4ELL ARE YOU POSTING REPLIES ON THE SUBJECT!!!
At least some people (AlanG along with a couple of others) seem to understand where i'm coming from and want to discuss the subject at hand
rather than waste time defending people and products with empty arguments.
Now that i've got that off my chest, anything else you'd like to discuss...cars like cossies that are better than Scobbies maybe.
07 May 2004, 12:30 AM
#60
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Here and there
Posts: 8,353
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
ive got a question.Can u disappear u moron?
Ive had cossies escort and saph and neither will come near the scoob but thats another arguement for another day
where do these fools appear from
Ive had cossies escort and saph and neither will come near the scoob but thats another arguement for another day
where do these fools appear from