Airguns banned?
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Originally Posted by imlach
...so I ask again, why has it not been done up until now?
Are airguns capable of killing people? Or even injuring? If so, they should be licensed. They can be used from afar with a chance the operator is concealed/hidden. Seems outrageous.
Are airguns capable of killing people? Or even injuring? If so, they should be licensed. They can be used from afar with a chance the operator is concealed/hidden. Seems outrageous.
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Originally Posted by Nevetas
OK, so a hammer can kill, a nail gun can kill, where do we stop?
A hammer is primarily used for putting nails in. A nail gun is primarily used for putting nails in. A knife is primarily used for cutting food etc. Harming with these things is a secondary purpose....ie, not what it is intended to do.
A gun is used for shooting things. It has quite a clear primary purpose of disabling things.....
ie, if something has a primary purpose of harm, then it should be licensed/banned.
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This is great!
Would you argue with someone on a thread with gun-owners involved? Do gun-owners have to go on anger-management courses? <gulp>
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Are airguns capable of killing people? Or even injuring? If so, they should be licensed. They can be used from afar with a chance the operator is concealed/hidden. Seems outrageous.
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Originally Posted by imlach
In my example, I was trying to say that someone can hang out a window, fire a gun at someone, and the person shot wouldn't know what had hit him...and the gun user could be concealed.
A hammer is primarily used for putting nails in. A nail gun is primarily used for putting nails in. A knife is primarily used for cutting food etc. Harming with these things is a secondary purpose....ie, not what it is intended to do.
A gun is used for shooting things. It has quite a clear primary purpose of disabling things.....
ie, if something has a primary purpose of harm, then it should be licensed/banned.
A hammer is primarily used for putting nails in. A nail gun is primarily used for putting nails in. A knife is primarily used for cutting food etc. Harming with these things is a secondary purpose....ie, not what it is intended to do.
A gun is used for shooting things. It has quite a clear primary purpose of disabling things.....
ie, if something has a primary purpose of harm, then it should be licensed/banned.
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Originally Posted by Jiggerypokery
There are far more lethal things than airguns which are not licensed. I'd rather get shot by an airgun than have a kitchen knife used on me. Where do we stop with all this banning?
Knifes have a primary purpose in the kitchen.
Guns have a primary purpose of shooting things........
Seems logical to ban the things with a primary purpose of harm first, then work on the items with the secondary purpose of harm.
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Licensing does not work though. Cars are licensed, it doesn't stop any one buying one, driving drunk, while disqualified, into a bus shelter full of people.
Handguns are licensed and banned in some parts of the UK, while handgun crime has increased since "the ban". When you criminalise guns, only criminals will have guns.
Handguns are licensed and banned in some parts of the UK, while handgun crime has increased since "the ban". When you criminalise guns, only criminals will have guns.
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Originally Posted by Nevetas
I see your point, but anything can be dangerous in the wrong hands. I think legal limit air guns are fine as they are. 12ft/lb is about right, anymore you need a license.
What is the argument for keeping them unlicensed? I'm failing to see it....
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Originally Posted by Jiggerypokery
Licensing does not work though. Cars are licensed, it doesn't stop any one buying one, driving drunk, while disqualified, into a bus shelter full of people.
Handguns are licensed and banned in some parts of the UK, while handgun crime has increased since "the ban". When you criminalise guns, only criminals will have guns.
Handguns are licensed and banned in some parts of the UK, while handgun crime has increased since "the ban". When you criminalise guns, only criminals will have guns.
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Originally Posted by imlach
I don't understand though? Surely proper gun users would be happy enough with licensing them? What is there to hide in this process?
What is the argument for keeping them unlicensed? I'm failing to see it....
What is the argument for keeping them unlicensed? I'm failing to see it....
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Moses,
As others have said, forget the Logun's, they are chuff.
If you want a proper air weapon (below 12lb limit) have a look at quality makes like Theoben, Air Arms, Daystate etc.
Cheers
Ian
As others have said, forget the Logun's, they are chuff.
If you want a proper air weapon (below 12lb limit) have a look at quality makes like Theoben, Air Arms, Daystate etc.
Cheers
Ian
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Originally Posted by imlach
So if the licensing doesn't work, we should just let anyone have any type of gun?????
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Originally Posted by Jiggerypokery
Not necessarily, but if someone is determined enough, they can get their hands on *anything* from handguns to rocket launchers. Licensing and banning are seen by many as the golden pills which will make the country safer. It's not as simple as that.
Yes, of course if anyone is determined enough they can get a gun.
However, to my friends on the cycle path who are probably being shot at by someone who has freely bought an airgun in a shop legally (so not a criminal!), licensing may at least have prevented that event.
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Originally Posted by Jiggerypokery
First step on the slippery road to a ban.
Most shooters (understandably) don't want to see their sport banned.
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Originally Posted by imlach
I don't understand though? Surely proper gun users would be happy enough with licensing them? What is there to hide in this process?
What is the argument for keeping them unlicensed? I'm failing to see it....
What is the argument for keeping them unlicensed? I'm failing to see it....
I can see no leason to make sub 12ft/lb airguns licensed. It's simply not needed. Also it would really harm the sport. What about the 3 million traget shooters in this country?
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Catapult anyone?
Seriously, what's next? So, ban airguns, and your friend gets hit by a lump of lead fired from a catapult. I'm not being facetious, you must understand that for someone who is a libertarian it is incredibly frustrating to hear the same old cries of "ban this, ban that". As I said before, it's a slippery slope many don't want to start down.
Seriously, what's next? So, ban airguns, and your friend gets hit by a lump of lead fired from a catapult. I'm not being facetious, you must understand that for someone who is a libertarian it is incredibly frustrating to hear the same old cries of "ban this, ban that". As I said before, it's a slippery slope many don't want to start down.
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Originally Posted by Nevetas
Well I'm a proper gun owner, I have firearms and shotguns and run a shooting company.
I can see no leason to make sub 12ft/lb airguns licensed. It's simply not needed. Also it would really harm the sport. What about the 3 million traget shooters in this country?
I can see no leason to make sub 12ft/lb airguns licensed. It's simply not needed. Also it would really harm the sport. What about the 3 million traget shooters in this country?
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Originally Posted by IWatkins
Moses,
As others have said, forget the Logun's, they are chuff.
If you want a proper air weapon (below 12lb limit) have a look at quality makes like Theoben, Air Arms, Daystate etc.
Cheers
Ian
As others have said, forget the Logun's, they are chuff.
If you want a proper air weapon (below 12lb limit) have a look at quality makes like Theoben, Air Arms, Daystate etc.
Cheers
Ian
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Originally Posted by imlach
OK....can sub 12ft/lb guns injure or kill humans?
BUT if your shot in a non lethal part of your body it won't do anywhere near like the sort of damage you would get from a firearm.
We need to keep things in perspective here.
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Originally Posted by imlach
Licensing has not led to a ban as I understand it for non-airguns? The sport still seems to exist does it not?
Self loading full-bore rifles,
Semi-automatic firearms
Shotguns having detatchable magazines holding more than 2 cartridges.
First licensed, then banned.
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Originally Posted by Nevetas
The power doesn't matter, if your hit in the right place a stone will kill you.
BUT if your shot in a non lethal part of your body it won't do anywhere near like the sort of damage you would get from a firearm.
We need to keep things in perspective here.
BUT if your shot in a non lethal part of your body it won't do anywhere near like the sort of damage you would get from a firearm.
We need to keep things in perspective here.
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Originally Posted by Jiggerypokery
Handguns, (in some parts of the UK)
Self loading full-bore rifles,
Semi-automatic firearms
Shotguns having detatchable magazines holding more than 2 cartridges.
First licensed, then banned.
Self loading full-bore rifles,
Semi-automatic firearms
Shotguns having detatchable magazines holding more than 2 cartridges.
First licensed, then banned.
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Would you use a semi-automatic for "sport" FFS?!
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Originally Posted by imlach
Would you use a semi-automatic for "sport" FFS?!
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Semi automatic small bore rifles are still used for target shooting, it just means you don't have to fiddle about loading another round and you can keep your eye on the target. Full bore semi automatic rifles were used for similar target shooting until they were banned.
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Originally Posted by imlach
Would you use a semi-automatic for "sport" FFS?!
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