Riprock

My statement about house prices was a response to imlach`s assertion that i dont complain when my house price goes up.My response was to say that the money in affect is tied up and to all intent and purposes is not there until you sell it.Nothing to do with affordability etc .


If you feel you have to comment...you know what to do

imlach

...and who are you to control who does & says what on here. Oh yeah, I forgot, you want to control world oil prices as well

I've yet to see any justification for cheap fuel as yet.
Try and argue the point instead of just dismissing the opposing view with no reason.

*Sonic*

I havent moaned about the price of petrol, I merely stated how much the local motorway services is charging

and what about my legs or one leg, and how do you know wether I can walk or not

Riprock

You forgot C)Sit back and say hey-ho,there having my pants down again....cant afford it...still i can drink water......to think men on the moon and all that....houses are dear...lets go live in a cave


There is such a thing as quality of life you know,kids used to work down pits,the working class used to doff there cap at the upper classes,we used to live in caves.Weve moved on though mate.We have Human rights etc and your unhelpful comments which are tantamount to "let them eat cake" are just plain silly.At what point do you wish me s to stop selling my worldly goods?.......can i at least keep a shirt?

imlach

Yes, and free choice means that you would never ever use the local motorway services for fuel. EVERYONE knows that motorway services charge more for fuel - it's a captive market.

If you can't walk, fair enough. You have a real & justifiable reason to use a car more than others.

imlach

Jeezo - since when did buying fuel have one iota of a link to Human Rights

Oh how I laugh You been on the whacky baccy tonight?

skoosh

Jesus Christ, all you poor people that have to put petrol in your scoobs !!

Please please please spare a thought for the poor homeless wino type people who have to resort to drinking the stuff AND run a scoob.

Skoosh.

p.s: this was an attempt at humour in an otherwise hostile thread environment, sorry!

Riprock

How could i ever justify it to you though?......i state an opinion that i think petrol prices are unfair and im accused of wanting to control prices???.....oh yeah....i forgot.... you want me to sell all my worldly goods and stop whineing.

The only way you can justify prices of any given product is by working it out relatively.Supply and demand also come into but when you run a cartel,prices can be kept artifically high.Petrol prices in this country (relative to most developed countrys)is to expensive to begin with.To increase it the amount it has been does not strike me as being fair....IMHO(note just cos i dont agree doesnt mean im some power hungry dictator which you rather childishly commented on ).There are some very rich people in the oil industry (multibillionaires) and there are compartively few of them controlling the worlds oil reserves......it is not in there interests to start pricing wars with each other cos each has so much to lose.Therefore instead of one particular oil company disciding to absorb some of the increase in a barrel of oil and aggressively seeking market share and possibly attempting to control the uk market we get a cosy gentlemens style agreement whereby everyone puts prices up.No one is willing to gamble and attempt to upset the status quo.(although wht they are bothered about upsetting them hairy bas*ards i dont know )

CrisPDuk

Sorry mate, but you are full of ****, every time the manufacture puts the price of fuel up by 1p the price at the pump goes up 4p, therefore if the various taxes & duties were not so exhorbitant we would be paying a fair price for our fuel

To my mind that 300% difference between those prices is nothing more than theft, & behind that theft are the fat jock (who should f**k off back to his own country), & the blind **** (who's getting more like the head of the KGB every week).

CrisPDuk

PS I wouldn't mind paying these prices so much, if the fuel bought by bus companies & airlines was not so heavily subsidised I bet I can't use as much fuel in my life as one 747 uses to get off the ground once

Riprock

It is an extreme im pointing out ....its the let them eat cake scenario......at what point do you say hang on my quality of life is degrading seriously here.You would have us walking around in our bare feet with your arguments.Remember...men on the moon and all that..we have progressed...we have the wellfare state etc.We dont want to return to victorian times...we are in this together.....the few have the wealth and hold the world to ransom on a precious comodity.At what point would YOU turn round and say "hang on.....thats a bit pricey ".If electric bills from all companys suddenly started rising massively what would you do to stem it.Would you continually make apologys for the guys at the top who have a captive market and can charge what they like? or would you voice a concern that a thing that is essential to modern life(remember...we arent in caves anymore... ) was being priced so that only a certain segment of the population can use it?

Cars where the transport of the masses.Sooner than you think they may become the transport of the few.Then we will be herded on to mass transport systems like cattle while the few get all the nice lovely clear motorways ......a perfect return to your victorian world view ...hell we can even have 2nd and 3rd class back again

STi-Frenchie

Imlach, go have a **** and relax a bit, it'll do you good - get all that aggression out rather than putting it in your posts.

Riprock

Oh and btw....nearly let this slip....i didnt accuse the government.I firmly believe that IT IS the oil producing nations that are the cause of these recent rises and previous ones.But the government isnt without blame for the price of petrol to begin with.

imlach

Typical!!!
I AM relaxed as many will attest. Putting forward a point of view does not mean I am sitting her fuming about it.....

Who is it that is getting all worked up cos petrol has gone up by 10p a litre

milo

that's 100% due to YOUR CHOICE, which i think is what you're missing. because you made the lifestyle decision to be reliant on a car, in a country where petrol is (quite rightly imo for the environments sake if nothing else), and always was, and always will be, rapidly rising, you made your bed.

imlach

Victorian views - I ask you! As if....
No-one needs to walk in bare feet, we have shoes these days you know

I never said we couldn't use fuel. Just that we should be conscious of HOW much we use, how WASTEFUL we are with it, and how the simple solution is to reduce your consumption if you feel it is overpriced. There ARE alternatives to the school run, the trip to the newsagents etc. Yes, I agree those that use them out of necessity have a case, but a lot of journeys are unnecessary.

You're all never going to admit to it, but I reckon at least ONE of the journeys you made in your car in the last week could quite easily have been done another way, be it by foot, bike, or at worst, bus, train, whatever.

It just takes 1% of our journeys to be done in a more environmental manner to make a big difference.

milo

that's not really the point - nobody is telling you that you HAVE to change your lifestyle.. just that you have choices.

example: i LOVE to bodybuild and powerlift. i live for it. but i don't come on here winging about the high price of anabolics... because it's a lifestyle choice, and i can either pay for it.. or not.

at the end of the day, EVERYTHING is supply and demand. that's why things are priced and taxed as they are.


and by the same token, if you don't like people moaning about you moaning about petrol, the answer's also simple...
A)Dont read it
B)Stop replying
C)Live with it

also easy innit

at the end of the day, if you make a post on a public bulletin board, you do open yourself up to criticism (if you don't like it, don't post ). if you make a post that complains about the price of something (lets face it - everyone would LOVE to get things cheaper, but it's just not practical), you're highly likely to get two sorts of replies:
* yes i agree with you - it's a rip off!
* don't be daft - if it's priced too highly for your liking, don't buy it!

you've had both types in this thread - and i'm surprised you seem surprised about getting the latter reply

imlach

I also agree aviation fuel should be taxed....it is due to a worldwide 'agreement' to ensure it is not. After all, unless every country applies the tax, it can't work very well in the real world.

Planes are HUGE abusers of oil, one step down from NASA

imlach

followed by....

Sorry, but who's the one full of $hit? What has obesity and blindness got to do with the price of petrol?

Advance your arguments with less abuse, and some may hold them worthy....

Riprock

Your making this comment on a car site?? ....words fail me with comments like this.Like i said before you dont know my full circumstances.Ive lost jobs thru not having my own transport.I did 10 years of public transport before i passed my test at 26(and before the smart alec reply comes out...no i wasnt trying to pass my test for 10 years ).Carrying a toolbox,drill,overalls,hat and boots on a bus.....been there done that.Jobs 20 miles away are beyond your reach due to having to take 3 buses purely because if you aint goin in to the town centre,there are no routes.One day i may be on the east of the country and the next the west.i have to be able to do these journeys at little notice.

As regards choices, as you put it yes i made my choice.But like i said in an earlier post these sort or put up or shut up replys are grossly simplistic.Lots of factors have affected the position i am faced with today.To merely say get rid of your car and do something else,as if i wouldnt of thought of it makes you seem like a houlier than thou preaching do gooder.Do you think i enjoy doing 13 hour days with sometimes 140 miles travelling in a day?........this isnt my choice.I am forced to do it until i can find an alternative which i am endevouring to do.Just saying "ohhhhh.....petrols dear..ill sell me car and quit work doesnt pay the rent......until you can find an alternative your "choices" are forced upon you.

imlach

Out of interest, do you pay for your own fuel to get to your place of work, or does your employer pay?

Riprock

Milo :-

and by the same token, if you don't like people moaning about you moaning about petrol, the answer's also simple...
A)Dont read it
B)Stop replying
C)Live with it

also easy innit

WOOHOO!!! someone bit .......i got the easy innit first though .

That was merely to point out the simplistic answers people give without knowing any circumstances.Of course i dont believe those A,B and C`s it was merely there to point out the ease of answering any question someone makes about something being unfair.

milo

im not sure what you mean by that - i stated that it's a choice to own a car.

if that's what you're getting at then yes - i'm making that comment on a car site. how isn't it a choice? that's the beauty of our society - aside from abiding by the law and paying taxes, EVERYTHING else is a choice. and even with the former two - if you don't like the law here, or taxes here, there are other countries...


no.. they're REALISTIC. nobody is telling you to shut up. this is an open forum, and you're entitled to believe petrol prices are too high.. but if you don't want to pay them, you don't have to.. that's the bottom line. there are alternatives.

sorry you dislike your job or that you have to travel a long way - but again, you chose the job, and you chose where you live. if you're forced to travel for your job, the company should provide the transport for you and pay for it. if they don't, and you don't like it, work somewhere else (it is not hard to get a job if you're talented).

i sure dislike paying for stuff too. my grocery bill in tesco this evening was astronomical... but i didn't HAVE to buy it all.

(p.s. yes, i did walk there and back )

Riprock

hehe...i was waiting for the assumption it was a company car ...dont get me started on those freeloaders .No bought and paid for by me as is all juice.Im an electrician...i make my way to and from work by no travelling during work hours.Thus i have to make my way from various places of work at any given time.To be in the contracting industy means to travel everywhere had i known quite how far i would have been traveling when i was a kid of 16 i may have made some differant "choices" .Things are a foot to remedy the sitution....shorter journeys ,pubic transport.....but until they are resolved.....i have to pay 10p a litre more

imlach

Riprock, you may be surprised to learn, in your narrow-minded world, that caring about the environment and owning a car (even a Scooby) are not contradictions. They are not mutally exclusive.

I walked to the shops today. I cycled to the off-licence, and I even cycled to B&Q. I could have made these journeys by car quite easily, but I chose to not use the car as I didn't feel the need. Obviously if I had been buying something bulky at B&Q, I would have.

I try and avoid the car when I don't need it. Some see that as wierd, but I see it as economically better for me with the upside of an environmental benefit for all.

imlach

RipRock, don't get me wrong, it sounds like you have a justifiable reason to use your car for work purposes....and I didn't assume your employer paid.

As I have said, I am not saying EVERYONE should be using walking/cycling/public transport for ALL journeys....just a general reduction where & when possible. I reckon you could claw back the extra 10p/litre quite easily by making some very very minor adjustments....

milo

yes - but surely as a contractor, you get to charge a set rate. what do YOU do if someone wants your services, but thinks you're too pricey (presumably you tell them either pay your rate, or they don't get your services?).

Riprock

HEHE.....this is getting like the MATRIX RELOADED now....

"NO....choice is an illusion created by those who have none!! "
(i think thats right...i might be paraphrasing ) ....shame is was a bag of shi*e

imlach

PS, Riprock, if you knew you needed your car to do such a HIGH mileage for your work, why the **** did you buy a Scooby which is lucky to do 25mpg. Surely you knew petrol was likely to increase in cost?

milo

the first one was good tho.

(p.s. you didn't HAVE to watch it, so quit complaining! )