Top Gear EVO was tweaked
02 June 2004, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Gangsta Smurf
You really are a complete load of w@nkers aren't you!!!! Before even asking a question you all go ahead and slate people. None of you drive WR1s or have probably ever driven one by yourself and to it's limits. From that fact alone you should shut the **** up! Secondly I did race the Porshe Turbo and I did keep up. A porsche starts pulling away at speeds over 130mph, I know this because I have had the pleasure of driving a family members two year old Turbo. Of course the Turbo would have pulled away as the Scooby has a limiter and falls off anyway but it didn't get to that stage.
Bunch of w@nkers. bet you're all stand in group a rally drivers who regularly race le mans for fun and know everything about everycar.
(referring to the tw@ts who decided to slate me here not everybody posting on this thread)
Bunch of w@nkers. bet you're all stand in group a rally drivers who regularly race le mans for fun and know everything about everycar.
(referring to the tw@ts who decided to slate me here not everybody posting on this thread)
Smurf, chill out Dude, there only cars.
PS Admitting to racing other cars on a public BBS is not a good idea m8.
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02 June 2004, 12:42 PM
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Whether or not the EVo is better than the Scooby on a track is completely irrelevant as I, like most, will do about 0 miles on a track & 10000 on the roads per year. I was looking at buying an Evo but the Scooby won on...
1. price / value for money
2. looks
3. on road performance
4. service intervals
5. insurance
6. sound
the list goes on.
just my tuppence worth anyway..
ps. It is an unfortunate fact that people will take for gospel what they see on a "creditable" program like Top Gear.
1. price / value for money
2. looks
3. on road performance
4. service intervals
5. insurance
6. sound
the list goes on.
just my tuppence worth anyway..
ps. It is an unfortunate fact that people will take for gospel what they see on a "creditable" program like Top Gear.
02 June 2004, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Gangsta Smurf
You really are a complete load of w@nkers aren't you!!!! Before even asking a question you all go ahead and slate people. None of you drive WR1s or have probably ever driven one by yourself and to it's limits. From that fact alone you should shut the **** up! Secondly I did race the Porshe Turbo and I did keep up. A porsche starts pulling away at speeds over 130mph, I know this because I have had the pleasure of driving a family members two year old Turbo. Of course the Turbo would have pulled away as the Scooby has a limiter and falls off anyway but it didn't get to that stage.
Bunch of w@nkers. bet you're all stand in group a rally drivers who regularly race le mans for fun and know everything about everycar.
(referring to the tw@ts who decided to slate me here not everybody posting on this thread)
Bunch of w@nkers. bet you're all stand in group a rally drivers who regularly race le mans for fun and know everything about everycar.
(referring to the tw@ts who decided to slate me here not everybody posting on this thread)
Thats what O`Hara told me anyway
Can I just say the word TYRES.
Top Gear failed to put the same tyres on both cars for starters.
The tyres on the Evo as standard are worth a lot of time trust me
02 June 2004, 12:53 PM
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Oh my good this is sad apart form the people who put up sensible posts. If you want to spend £30K - £35k on a car that will go round a track awesomly fast shut the F**k up and buy a Caterham Superlight R500. As it is a dedicated track car, every thing else is a compromise. Just my 2p`s worth.
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02 June 2004, 01:00 PM
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It is also an unfortunate fact that people will take for gospel as-yet-unfounded rumours about mods that they hear on a public bulletin board
Wouldn't catch me in an MR or a WR1, I'll stick with me Evo 6 thanks. Even though it is obsolete I love it to bits
Had Top Gear come to the conclusion that the WR1 was the mans car, and the Evo the boys car, I would still have laughed and told my friends they were doing it only for the craic and they are as good as each other. Just like I did when they came to the opposite conclusion instead. They are both great cars, and anyone who tells you otherwise is deluding themselves...
Wouldn't catch me in an MR or a WR1, I'll stick with me Evo 6 thanks. Even though it is obsolete I love it to bits
Had Top Gear come to the conclusion that the WR1 was the mans car, and the Evo the boys car, I would still have laughed and told my friends they were doing it only for the craic and they are as good as each other. Just like I did when they came to the opposite conclusion instead. They are both great cars, and anyone who tells you otherwise is deluding themselves...
02 June 2004, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ Phallus
Scooby won on...
1. price / value for money
2. looks
3. on road performance
4. service intervals
5. insurance
6. sound
the list goes on.
1. price / value for money
2. looks
3. on road performance
4. service intervals
5. insurance
6. sound
the list goes on.
02 June 2004, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Supercue
Now theres a bit of sense. To be honest we all know both cars are feckin awesome but the Scoob as said before is the one to live with day to day for the most of us
I had my Evo for 25 months and a modded scoob for 2 years prior to that.
Fuel costs - nothing in it
Service - Scoob cost more (new car main dealer for brakes etc every 8k miles) The Evo was taken to specialists (CPP in Congleton)
Price - The Scoob lost alot more money depreciation wise
Insurance - The same for me
Sound - fit a decent manifold to the scoob and the rumble goes
fit a Blitz to an Evo and
On road performance Scoob was understeer city compared with the Evo even with the same tyres (SO2's)
The list goes on
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02 June 2004, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Barmyclown
Oh my good this is sad apart form the people who put up sensible posts. If you want to spend £30K - £35k on a car that will go round a track awesomly fast shut the F**k up and buy a Caterham Superlight R500. As it is a dedicated track car, every thing else is a compromise. Just my 2p`s worth.
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02 June 2004, 02:28 PM
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Oh dear - no one seems to have remembered that the WR1 is a pile of old pooh next to a Type 25......so maybe Top Gear could have another go with a RS Evo (Jap spec please) and a Type 25 - is that not the real test?
02 June 2004, 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by InsBro
I disagree
I had my Evo for 25 months and a modded scoob for 2 years prior to that.
Fuel costs - nothing in it
Service - Scoob cost more (new car main dealer for brakes etc every 8k miles) The Evo was taken to specialists (CPP in Congleton)
Price - The Scoob lost alot more money depreciation wise
Insurance - The same for me
Sound - fit a decent manifold to the scoob and the rumble goes
fit a Blitz to an Evo and
On road performance Scoob was understeer city compared with the Evo even with the same tyres (SO2's)
The list goes on
Jeremy
I had my Evo for 25 months and a modded scoob for 2 years prior to that.
Fuel costs - nothing in it
Service - Scoob cost more (new car main dealer for brakes etc every 8k miles) The Evo was taken to specialists (CPP in Congleton)
Price - The Scoob lost alot more money depreciation wise
Insurance - The same for me
Sound - fit a decent manifold to the scoob and the rumble goes
fit a Blitz to an Evo and
On road performance Scoob was understeer city compared with the Evo even with the same tyres (SO2's)
The list goes on
Jeremy
Service- Service intervals on an evo are far more frequent and pricey
Brakes- I think thats more down to your right/left foot but there much of a muchness
Depreciation- I bought the car coz I love it not as an investment but I bet I still get a decent wad after I've had my fun.
Insurance- Scoob £455 and the Evo FQ330 just under a grand
and thats with full no claims protected etc.Sound- One of the main reasons I bought the car was because of that beautiful burble
Anyway look at the Evo and you know even though it's improved it's still an ugly motor but the Scoob is a Babe in comparison
02 June 2004, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Supercue
Anyway look at the Evo and you know even though it's improved it's still an ugly motor but the Scoob is a Babe in comparison
How the hell did you get a licence being blind?
Only kiddingServicing wise its only the AYC that needs doing every 4.5k (oil is done at the same time anyway)
The reason AYC is done every 4.5K is because the system needs cleaning when its bed in and depending on your driving style you may never use the AYC until youve done 30 or 40k miles, so thats when it would need a fluid change, but because all peoples driving style is different they have set it to 4.5k
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02 June 2004, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by InsBro
How the hell did you get a licence being blind?
No fuel ecconomy isn't strong on the plus points for a Scoob LOL
Anyway given a choice I'd still plump for the Type 25 over the WR1 any day of the week.
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02 June 2004, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ARRON BIRD
The tyres on the Evo as standard are worth a lot of time trust me
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02 June 2004, 08:15 PM
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Jesus, how much crying!
The press offices never tweak the car, and to suggest they do is just chiildish. If anything the cars are in a worse condition, as they've been absolutely caned by the press from day one.
And all the coments about the cars not being 'equal' are equally banal. The cars would have been tested as they were delivered. And yes they would know how the diff settings work.
The Evo is a car with a heavy track bias, the WR1 is far more suited to the road. I would have put money down that the Evo would whip the Scooby - But if I was asked to do a 200 mile road trip in one, I know which one I'd choose!
We're getting the MR in to test next week, (I work for Redline) so if you'd like, I'll tell you how fantastic it is
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The press offices never tweak the car, and to suggest they do is just chiildish. If anything the cars are in a worse condition, as they've been absolutely caned by the press from day one.
And all the coments about the cars not being 'equal' are equally banal. The cars would have been tested as they were delivered. And yes they would know how the diff settings work.
The Evo is a car with a heavy track bias, the WR1 is far more suited to the road. I would have put money down that the Evo would whip the Scooby - But if I was asked to do a 200 mile road trip in one, I know which one I'd choose!
We're getting the MR in to test next week, (I work for Redline) so if you'd like, I'll tell you how fantastic it is
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02 June 2004, 09:01 PM
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I think this thread is going the right way now.
Never mind the TG report, it's what the cars are like on the road, costs, etc.
For me it will always come back to past experiences.
I've owned Subaru's for a total of 7 years now, and have never had a single problem with any of them. Lucky - maybe, I don't know. But the only parts that have needed changed are run of the mill items.
A few years ago, nearly every magazine test comapring EVO's and Impreza's all said the EVO was the better car. So I got a MY2000 EVO 6 GSR.
Before it had reached 12,000 miles. The gearbox was rebuilt, it needed a new clutch, brake discs were warped and the manifold had cracked.
It also cost a small fortune compared to the Impreza on day to day running costs. I sold it not long after and it lost a fortune in value.
So for these reasons it will still be another Impreza when the time comes again.
Now I expect everyone to say now that their Impreza was unreliable and their EVO's are great.
But I don't care. Simple as that.
These are the reasons for my choice, and no top gear report will change it.
David
Never mind the TG report, it's what the cars are like on the road, costs, etc.
For me it will always come back to past experiences.
I've owned Subaru's for a total of 7 years now, and have never had a single problem with any of them. Lucky - maybe, I don't know. But the only parts that have needed changed are run of the mill items.
A few years ago, nearly every magazine test comapring EVO's and Impreza's all said the EVO was the better car. So I got a MY2000 EVO 6 GSR.
Before it had reached 12,000 miles. The gearbox was rebuilt, it needed a new clutch, brake discs were warped and the manifold had cracked.
It also cost a small fortune compared to the Impreza on day to day running costs. I sold it not long after and it lost a fortune in value.
So for these reasons it will still be another Impreza when the time comes again.
Now I expect everyone to say now that their Impreza was unreliable and their EVO's are great.
But I don't care. Simple as that.
These are the reasons for my choice, and no top gear report will change it.
David
02 June 2004, 09:28 PM
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The Top Gear review only stated that the EVO was the fastest and by the result it was by far, so all of this talk about the impreza is a better road car and the costs for servicing of the EVO is completely irrelevant for this particular point.
Others are mentioning that the EVO must have been modified to be so fast, firstly the EVO MR has been made a bit lighter and the curb weight lowered, along with extra bhp it is completely believable that the car can that much quicker against a standard FQ300, also I think people are missing the point because the WR1 was only a second quicker than a STI so the EVO was always going to be faster.
Another point is that since the EVO 6 vs Subaru?? Started over all these years I have still not read an article or seen a single program that says the Subaru is the FASTER car.
Others are mentioning that the EVO must have been modified to be so fast, firstly the EVO MR has been made a bit lighter and the curb weight lowered, along with extra bhp it is completely believable that the car can that much quicker against a standard FQ300, also I think people are missing the point because the WR1 was only a second quicker than a STI so the EVO was always going to be faster.
Another point is that since the EVO 6 vs Subaru?? Started over all these years I have still not read an article or seen a single program that says the Subaru is the FASTER car.
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over all these years I have still not read an article or seen a single program that says the Subaru is the FASTER car.
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Apologies I forgot about the import spec c versus the uk 8. In the interest of like for like I would like them to compare the RS MR vs to spec c (both stripped cars). Also wasn’t the the spec c the liti one that’s confirmed tweaked suspension and bhp or standard.
02 June 2004, 10:42 PM
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let me point out that on the world wide stage , not just an over-rated
TV show, of WRC I have not seen the EVO on the podium much lately.
this is where potential buyers are more likely to look before parting
with their hard earned. long live STI
TV show, of WRC I have not seen the EVO on the podium much lately.
this is where potential buyers are more likely to look before parting
with their hard earned. long live STI
03 June 2004, 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by john25
The evo’s not there yet!! But it has still been one the best rally cars. When Peugeot blitzed everyone did it turn me into a potential 206 buyer???
On a side note why are they in the WRC to begin with? Its not as if their flagship car has anything much in-common with a WRC and as such perspective byres who follow the WRC would look else if they wanted a replica?
03 June 2004, 09:23 AM
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Why the Scoob was the Real Winner
Originally Posted by grant620
I'll stick to me Rover.Everyone knows they are crap and there are no arguments.
I bought my Scoob last year and tested the Evo FQ330 BMW 330/M3 and WRX PPP SL
My shopping list included:
Leather interior as its easy to keep clean with the kids
4 Doors for the kids
Reliable for everyday use
Manuel gearbox for that deep joy through the twisties
Quick acceleration for a saloon car
I'd had BMs for years but to be honest they didn't really involve me anymore. Nice cars and I've never once had a mechanical failure with any BM. But my love affair with BMW had run its course I needed something different
The Evo was not that pleasant on the road and the dealer put me off as much as the car. A complete tw@t. Don't get me wrong it's quick and sure footed but not an everyday family car which mine has to be. Service intervals didnt thrill me either.
Knowing absolutely zilch about Scoobs I made the mistake of going into Days of Chelmsford. I found the customer service poor to say the least and to make matters worse was told that the Sti only came in 2drs and not 4! I took out a WRX PPP SL. I was well shocked at how smooth as well as quick the car was through the gears. The handling was superb although a tad of understeer but nothing like the WR1 was made to look on TG
I really enjoyed this car and thought well if I can't have the Sti then I'll plump for the SL + PPP.Needless to say I didn't buy my car from Days but from Wilsons in Chadwell Heath. Clive was top man as a salesman and the after service from Martin has been outstanding. Even with an iffy rolling road reading, they still changed my ECU coz I wasn't happy.
My adventure with the Scoob has been awesome and everyday nearly a year later with 14K on the clock I still get out of the car with that stupid grin you all know about.
I'm sorry but the Evo doesn't do that for me. So when I come to change my car in 2yrs time it will be the Type 25 or equivelent because I want my toys and luxuries inside
How many of you that drive your Scoob every day feel the same?
P.S. Sorry for the war & peace
03 June 2004, 09:58 AM
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When it all comes down to it according to TG the EVO beat the Scoob..... end of argument..... whether people believe it or not is entirely down to the individual....... i certainly would buy a car solely based on what clarkson said..... but i would go look at a car that "seemed" to be better than its rival... hence why the TG segment will have done no good whatsoever to Subaru's image over Mitsubishi....