greasemonkey

Jesus, looks like the entire Prodrive roadcar department is here now.

hawkeye

nick

only if i can make you lose the will to live also

ps quick someone ring prodrive wonder who will answer they're all on here.

Hawk hello is that prodrive

Prodrive :Good afternoon prodrive

Hawk who am i speaking to

Prodrive Bert

Hawk Bert

Prodrive yes bert i clean the windows on a thursday.....

LOL

greasemonkey

Do you want to get the teaboy online as well to complete the set?

Simon Lines

And your conclusions seem to be that the MR340 is too "hardcore"?

What do you drive?

Cheers

Simon

Not lost the will to live yet but I then I have a 92 WRX with 03MY JDM STi drivetrain

StevietheG

I can make tea and ice-man can make iced tea!
Steve

MattW

Those of you who are slating Subaru for not producing an Evo "beater", I admire your brand loyalty, but why don't you just buy an Evo, or maybe there is just something about the Impreza that you prefer??

The point being, there are hundreds of users of this forum who are almost blind to anything, such is their loyalty to Subaru, so FHI must be doing something right.

IMO to the average man in the street, the guy who changes his Mondeo\Focus for a new one every four years, the Evo and Impreza are similar cars in the same market. Every motoring magazine and programme backs up his thinking.

hawkeye

simon i drive an MY02 sti @320 bhp with a lot of other mods on it.. leather sat nav/dvd etc so the comparisions are not totally true BUT my car was dealer bought and has a full uk warranty on it

Yes the MR340 was to me too hardcore the ride was not to my liking and the interior better than previous versions but cheap.

However the power was fantastic, now if the wr1 had about 350-360 bhp me thinks we would be talking about a different animal.

In my mind it is soooooo close maybe the next version will be it all just my opinion of course and hey what do I know i just buy and drive the things

Nick Wadeson

Lost this years ago, wife beat you to it.....


Unfortunately, the window cleaner doesn't have internet access and everyone else is doing some work or is currently making tea

Nick.

hawkeye

They do the spec c

I dont want an evo they are not as good "all round " cars as subarus's
Agreed they are doing something right look at the brands position in its various sectors

TOtally agree hence why when average joe bloggs watches the typical car program Top gear and see's the Wr1 shown in a poor light it really doesn't do the PR of the brand any good whatsoever.

Supercue

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GM Use the dictionary
I think the lap time is what he's referring to


Mike I haven't lost the will to live but some who have ridden passenger in my car may well disagree

I appreciate your comments and the constraints you are put under from IM/Subaru but as said it wouldn't take an awful lot to improve the cars across the range further (GM I mean WRX STi etc). Unfortunately I for one didn't have the knowledge about the cars that were available and the Sales staff at a certain dealership were about as much use as a chocolate fireguard. Hence I never bought the car I should and would have with the right information.

Now that I know what's available are you looking to bring out a UK version of the type 25 as Iain provides or will I lose the will to live before that happens??

For that matter, (as mentioned earlier in the thread) are there any new products likely to be released in the not to distant future??

Regards

Supercue

MattW

Disagree

scoobynutta555

Think you're getting mixed up with the RB5.

"And it doesn't help the image when the WR1 gets beaten around a track by one."
But everybody knows these are proper rally cars and these aren't sold to joe public. A few years back when ferrari were pre Schumacher I suppose ferrari didn't sell much due to not winning much?

A back to back example of 2 road going cars is a much better example of how the cars that the public buy, and we all know what happened when they were tracked

Think you'll find that Impreza owners very much care what Joe Public think. Bug eye anybody?

I purchased my first impreza without even having been in one soley under the impression that it was the best 4*4 sports saloon out there for the money, and it was.

Supercue

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MattW Go buy an Evo then.
I think the Subaru is by far the better car for everyday use and it would appear that most people on here would agree

hawkeye

Ooops look @ mattw's profile hooning around in a

Mattw i knew you were there somewhere

Supercue

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Hawkeye you're right Ooops fairplay to you MattW but the Scoob is still better

hawkeye

ill post matts reply up for him

MattW

lol Hawk

Supercue - I have one Oh and I've had 3 Imprezas too, so feel able to comment

Supercue

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Sorry for the Mistake Matt but the FQ I drove last year was by no way as good as a Scoob mate

MattW

Ok Outside now

Interested to hear why you went Subaru? What did you test, had one before etc etc

I might even give you my reasons

urban

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"Trounce" - to shyte upon something from a great height


Shaun

ozzy

It doesn't, I just said it was annoying I didn't say I wake up in cold sweats worrying about it. Anyway, I prefer the Impreza's looks over the Evo and it certainly isn't rocket science to get power out of them or sort it's handling.

I also drive my car day-in, day-out and up until recently I couldn't have lived with the small petrol tank and frequent servicing from the Evo.

Trounce (verb) - defeat or beat Other choice words could be overwhelm, thrash, slaughter

Anyway, it doesn't bother me what Joe Public thinks, but it must bother IM or Mitsuibishi as all they are really concerned with is selling cars. Any negative publicity works against that process, so if anyone has any sense of marketing within IM they would treat a back-to-back track test against their main competitor as negative publicity if it doesn't perform as well.

Given the nature of the British buying public it probably won't make any difference to sales figures and it'll be left to banter down the pub or in your local playground

Stefan

Supercue

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Excellant idea I love a tear up
I test drove an FQ330,M3, a WRX SL PPP and the Sti

I never had a Subaru before as I thought they looked dated then the bug eye well say no more. I have to admit though as I'm involved quite heavily with the social side the Classic shape has grown on me but I still wouldn't buy one.

Why did I choose the Scoob....

I couldnt have the luxuries inside the Sti so that was a no goer.
I've had BMs for years and was bored so the M3 never really stood a chance.
The dealer with the FQ was a **** so he was on even terms with the Subaru guy at Chelmsfordand the car although quick rode OK but not suited to every day use and long trips definately felt a no no. Missus didn't like the position of the passenger side either, she thought it felt high and too close to the dash Servicing was not good as I knew I would need 4-5 a year plus on top of all this reliability was not good according to several friends who'd owned older models.
Now everyone I knew (all 3 of them LOL) who'd had a Scoob said it was bomb proof and they loved every minute.The Scoob just felt so right and when its right its right but and this is the rub, if I knew about the Type 25 then that would have been my car of choice.

Ho hum but if IM should bring out a UK version of this then I'm in the que chequebook in hand LOL

greasemonkey

...But in what way? Round a track driven by Top Gear's "star" driver, or day in day out in the hands of real owners? In all the ways that really count for the sort of market they're targeting, Subaru currently have the bases covered pretty good, as you freely admit yourself.

It probably bothers MMUK, but I doubt IM give a ****. The WR1 was basically sold out before the TG thing hit the screens, so no direct issue there, and overall, Imprezas are currently outselling Evos by orders of magnitude in the UK, so there's nothing to fear there.

Don't forget that the WR1 was a "limited edition" of 500. MMUK would kill to be able to sell 500 Evos a year here, let alone tackle the sort of sales figures managed by the rest of the Impreza range.

I'm sure they don't like it, but in the great scheme of things, it doesn't really matter. They've got the WRC as a promotional flagship anyway, and while the cars used in it bear little relation to the Impreza you can buy (exactly the same applies to the Evo), Joe Public by and large doesn't know that.

Exactly.

MattW

Supercue, I take it the WRX SL PPP won then, and at no point in the decision making process did you consider the track performance of each car.

Which is of course exactly the right decision for you, and I would further guess you could n't give a hoot about the top gear test.

Hope you are pleased with the car, excellent choice.

G00ner

So Hawkeye,

You want something thats quicker than an MR340 around a track, but thats also a good all rounder and not too hardcore ?

Me thinks you're asking the impossible or that you really don't know what you want ?

hawkeye

Gooner,
Yes & No (there you are i dont know what i want ) seriously tho

I would like something as quick or quicker than an Mr340 but the road manners/comfort of my MY02sti handling on a track is not of great importance to me BUT if it handled well on the road it would handle well enough (for me) on the odd track that i went on

Therefore i dont think im asking too much, just havent found it yet which is why im sticking to my MY02 sti

Hawk


ps hope this makes sense ive read it 3 times twice it did once it didnt

Supercue

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What dealership Evo or Subaru is going to let me tool around a track on a test drive?? But you're right I didn't give the track time a thought but even so I've done enough track days to prove that a Scoob can match most cars around the track

Lets be honest 99% of my driving is on the road not the track otherwise I'd have gone for a Westie, Caterham or an Xtreme not a Scoob/Evo

But I'm glad you mentioned track days as I upset a FQ330 driver at Brands on the GP circuit He finished the session with smoke pouring from his brakes and couldn't match the times I was posting. He didnt believe that the car was not an Sti at least lol

G00ner

Spec C or Type25 then

MattW

Well I'd like a car that:

Costs the same as a Focus
Holds its value like an X5
Handles like an F1 car
Turns heads like a Ferarri
As quick as an R1
Returns mpg like a Diesel Supermini
Costs the same to insure as a Citroen C3 with a year's free insurance
Has the same practicality as a Zafira
Can see over traffic like a 4x4

Can't have all that we want can we

MattW

Just to state, I wasn't taking the p1ss, just pointing out for you (and for I and most other people) track performance is not a major consideration.