Stu_M

Had my Teg DC2 for nearly a year now, and would agree its a fantastic drive. One thing I would most probably disagree on is re the fuel consumption, don't find mine particularly economical at all, I think at best it would average early 20's and if your driving in the V zone quite a bit which is difficult not too, would say quite substantially less. Just thought I would mention it as a lot of people seem to buy these on an assumption that they are getting good performance with decent economy,as well as being a great car. It wouldn't put me off though. I know it is the same with any performance car when you get yout foot down, but just generally haven't found it to be that good. Interested to hear how other owners on here get on with this.

EvoBarry

Depends how you drive it Stu, I can drive mine quite carefully if I have to, and am getting low 30s I reckon - 200 miles to £20 optimax/SUL for instance.

Use Vtec/heavy throttle and yes, mid teens is easily achievable. Doesn't put me off mine tho, loving every drive of it still.

Andy Tang

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I keep saying the DC2 will be my next car, but I'm having a lot of fun with the CRX at the moment! That said I was told that a standard DC2 handles about as well as a very well sorted CRX, so it would be a step in the right direction!

After the wedding and a sensible payrise, I see myself getting a DC2 and ideally keeping the CRX!! I've gone Honda mad!!!

I've wanted a DC2 for the last 5 years, but things (Imprezas) kept getting in the way!!

Diablo

Andy, a standard DC2 handles as well as a well sorted anything

And better than most. Scoobs included..

Terminator X

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Guys.

I had a white UK ITR (old shape) for a few years, swopped it for a JDM WRX Sti Ver V, now got a BMW 330 sport. The ITR was fantastic and I'll certainly get another one at some point, perhaps as a 2nd car for the wife!

X.

Andy Tang

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Diablo,

I know what you mean, people assume that because the Impreza is 4wd it handles well!!

I learnt from bitter experience that the Impreza needs uprated dampers, lowered springs, solid drop links, upper strut braces and geometery settings to get it handling well!!! Obviously bumpsteer modifications, arb's and lower braces would have made it a little better!!!

The_Teg_Man

Yes may be I should clarify my good fuel consumption point, for me the car does give around 31 mpg, thats because I drive fairly conservatively to some on 'ere . I find if I change around 4k I still get a fairly swift response because the gearing seems very short ratio so you wham through the box in a blink of an eye.

If you VTEC it everywhere then you are going to get worse fuel consumption although you will probably have a permanent grin on your face

The other thing I like about a DC2 over say a newish CTR is the more prominent VTEC kick you get as it changes to the other cam, it always raises a smile. I really don't see many on the roads now, its easily one of the best cars I've owned, Evo rated it a 5 star cars and it delivers 5 stars in spades.

It may be noisy and raw but for me that just adds more to the occasion of driving it! I have a black one although I also like the white's and red's!

I have seen the 0 - 100 quoted as low as 16.7, its ability to accelerate from 60 to 100 on a private road is what impresses me!

Stu_M

Teg Man, I admire your restraint when driving such a car remember John Barker of PC and EVO testing one and saying "you feel the need to drive everywhere as if your on a qualifying lap" and I must admit the temptations always there, your right though the gearing is short and that coupled with the light weight means you don't feel a lack of torque that some people suggest Vtecs suffer from, so you can drive changing gear low down the range without a problem.. but its not as much fun

Stuart

Gallardo

Stop it, I miss mine a lot and the mere glance of one just makes me crave, THE best drivers car I've had, it's a shame my journey is so far otherwise I would not hesitate.

EvoBarry

DC2s make 131lb/ft torque at 7300rpms ish, but 125lb/ft is available from 3500rpms....they aren't lacking in torque for the engine size at all, and its a decent curve. Added to the relatively light weight and short gearing and they do pull well from very low revs.

I managed to drive home from work without using the second cam the other day, god I was bored...oh, no I mean, it can be done...

Ray_li

I would love one of these but i only have £10k to play with so its gonna be a MY00 turbo.

Ray

MooseRacer

Congrats to Dark Blue Mica on his purchase of a DC2 (finally)

mynickers

Always wanted a DC2, still do, still monitor the prices, funnily enough me and another mate from here were just chatting about this the other day. As started looking through Honda dealers for second hand owned ones, they're more expensive through the dealer, but you have that little bit more peace of mind with so many con artist out there.

They seem to have come down in price a bit recenly, I viewed, and test drove a red 99' one in the summer last year, at they wanted (and got) £13k, which is a fair old whack for a 1.8 coupe they seem to have come down to around £10k, it's hard to generalise you'll always find a really low millage one asking and demanding a high price, as well as some bargains.

But everytime I think about getting finance on a car, and consider the options for around £10k, it always brings me back to the Teg. The whole VTEC thing does clinch it for me, cause I won't be that financially secure as a car owner, the whole enterprise of owning and running a car in London, unless you're on a high wage is a bit daft. And unless like us lot your mad for it, it just seems - well mad. So the fuel efficiency, and reliablity do make that a bit better.

When I test drove it, I was so impressed, and i have been a real annoying test pilot, there isn't much in the hot hatch, and coupe range I haven't taken out for a spin either as a serious car buyer, or just bored and fancied wasting a salesmans time for 30 mins, and getting a free drive

This was just great, it is civilised under the vtec, but it still purs and chugs like a sports car, the steering is direct and you get lots of feedback. The suspensions seems low and a bit harsh, the first thing we did when we left the showroom was fill up with petrol, and it felt quite bumpy going over the pavements and stuff. But that was soon fogotten when I was blipping the throttle, up the road, excitidly waiting for an opens space so I could get it over the golden 6k point.

And boy what I pleasure that was, it's such a surge of power, and the noise, actually made me chuckle to myself out loud. It's an out and out racer, the engine note is quite amazing. I dont' remember much of the test drive really, because my adrenalin was pumping the whole time, but I do remember going upto a round about a bit quicker than I should of, and having to lift off, the salesman was not at all pleased when we oversteered and I planted my right foot down in second gear to correct it, but it made my week.

If I had a non rubbery cheque book in my pocket that day, or any kind of credit worthiness, or they would of taken one of my limbs I would of had it there and then.

Glad I didn't now though, prefer them in black


DC5 also rocks, but DC2 will always be special to me, because i have lusted after one for sooo long...

mike16v

You will easilly get an immaculate DC2 for under £10k

Always a few on pistonheads.com

mynickers

Defo get a clean teg for that money, there are people on the honda forums with high miller tegs for less, as little as £6k, personally knowing what a focused no compromise drivers car that it is, you know that any previous owner was not a nice little old lady who poodled down the shops in it. So whilst they have a great repuation for reliablity, they're not bullet proof, and sooner or later performance cars, that get ragged need TLC, personally I would not want to spend too much less than £10k, but I have seen some going for 8-9k that still look pretty good.

goto www.honda.co.uk and search for second hand cars, I found about 6 or 7 cars around the country 99/00 DC2's with average millage for the £10k mark, you know that it's a customer of the garage, you know it's been serviced properly, you get a dealer years warranty which takes some of the worry out. But if the dealers are now selling them for that money, you know you can get one private for less....

I'll get one - one day, i just hope that by the time I have the financial means, they're are still soem left that haven't been ragged

mn_angrybeats

There are a couple on Ebay for 7k

Dark Blue Mark

Well I picked up a 98 R with air con, 39k miles, new tyres discs, pads, just had cambelt service done etc etc,

£7800 Right price IMHO, and he sold it within 2 days of advertising.

MB

PS apologies once again to 14,500 rpm, I had been PM'ing him on his teg, (which is also mint and a bargain) but one with air con popped up just down the road so I bought it.

MB

Dark Blue Mark

Just to add, wheelspin is not something im used to after owning so many scoobs, so just working out the best way to launch it.

I was expecting to be dissapointed with the performance after owning a 300bhp STi, but boy does it shift if you keep the revs up. I took it on a dual carriageway yesterday, and was doing illegal speeds without realising it.

First mod is defnately going to be a cold air filter, followed by some means of lowering the VTEC change point a bit. Unichip is apparently a good method of doing this. Also the brakes are infinately better than any scoob ive driven, and I find you have to be careful with them.

Gearchange is equal to the STi, very firm but easy to select.

The build quality is superb, and the doors shut with a reassuring thud rather than a rattle. Not sure where they saved all the weight but the boot lid feels quite heavy! may just be the struts...

The noise at the redline is something else too

MB - very happy customer.

mike16v

nice one Mark

Dark Blue Mark

Ta, Mike / Moose

MB

Aztec Performance Ltd

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14.5 secs 0-100mph is the fastest test time I've seen.

When I was at santa pod I saw 'em in 15s (1/4mile).

Like you said, they're not comparable cars. One italian FWD with a turbo and another a focused, high revving jap machine.

Bob

Ray_li

but I cant get one of these for 10k

Maddy

I owned a Tegi R, had it for 15 months great car and nothing at all went wrong with it. Best mod I added was a performance air filter, it sound simlar to a F1 car once I hit 6500RPM - 9000RPM bracket, Well maybe not an F1 car but hmm I'm sure you get the picture, certainly fun a good old rounder and no doubt will put a smile to most peoples face.

More grip / low range power and torque swung me to buying an impreza, as the Tegi was pretty much like driving a normal car until the Vtec kicked in... but when it did kick in yes it was sweet as, maybe with bigger wheels and a jackson supercharger it would of been a different story.



Maddy

Mad Gypsy

My friend has one of these. Other than looks, I'm not a fan.
I drive a 310+bhp STi Type R so the power of the Teg doesn't impress me (to be expected) It never really feels like it's pulling, no real kick in the back.
As for the ride! Getting back in the scoob feels like getting into a 5 series! The Teg is just too harsh! and those seats are not the best. I also think the interior is not as good as the scoob's (not that a scoobs interior is anything to shout about!)
I have to say the brakes feel a lot better than the brakes in mine and when it's parked next to mine it does have the edge in the looks department.

Overall I don't see the fuss, not that it's a bad car, but I'm really surprised to hear people have gone from scoob to Teg and been happy with the change, perhaps I'm missing something?

Not meant to offend, just my opinion

Dark Blue Mark

The interior is better in a scoob?! The Honda is quite plain, but its very solid and the doors shut with a thud rather than window rattle.

I dont think you can compare the 2 and expect anyone to say its as fast as an STi, they are never trying to be the same car. I changed due to personal circumstances, and am happy with it. Ok, it hasnt got ht epull of my STi, but its better in a lot of ways...

MB

mynickers

I'd be well carefull on ebay, it's bad enough going from adverts in auto trader, there are so many cowboys out there, you reallyd do have to be on your guard. I also read somethign in the guardian the other day, saying there was loads of fruad going on with people selling cars on ebay, and that there is a grey area around the law if you get stung, can't recall the total facts, I was a bit tipsy on the train home reading it.

You can get some real bargains, but be careful, I have uploaded the Evo guide to buying one, which I will post a link to in a mo.

Dark Blue Mark,

Glad you're happy with it, you'll have great fun I am sure, I am quite jealous the cold air box, with a zort makes the teg's sound awesome, although rather loud and brash, but I am sure that won't bother you too much Now I might not have this right, but from what i remember the JDM model had slightly more power than the Euro spec, 210 break instead of just under 200 (is that right?), so cool are and zorts I think pretty much take it up to what it suppose to be...

As for interior, I'd say the interior of the teg is better personally, neither are particularly great, but the scoob is more tacky than the teg, IMO. Horses for courses, neither are particularly good looking cars, but neither claim to be, that's not their intention, they're brusers and different, hard to compare really totally different engine concepts, totally different handling on accoutn of fwd vs awd.

I am not surprised someone finds the 310bhp type R sti faster ,they're totally different cars, but the teg type R is like a standard car, it's got more in common with the WRX in terms of power output, and price point than any of the other scoobs, and you can get all manor of spoon / mugen parts to get more power and handling out of a teg too.

mynickers

http://www.mynickers.f2s.com/cars/typer.jpg

Price guides are out of date now, but good article, and below is another in more detail:


http://www.mynickers.f2s.com/cars/integraguide1.jpg

http://www.mynickers.f2s.com/cars/integraguide2.jpg

Dark Blue Mark

Ta mate,

The Uk one has just shy of 190 BHP, and the JDM is 200 ish, probably due to the fuelling map?

Filter and zorst on the way!

Seen some great track footage of these punishing some seroisly expensive machinery, including scoobs

MB

MooseRacer

As always, be careful with your choice of induction kit - most loose power (but sound nice), if you want nice sound just take the cover off the std airbox much cheaper It's the same on most n/a cars, but even more so on the 'teg. Manifold and exhaust are the way to go on UK models.

UK 'tegs are 187bhp, JDM's more but only on 100RON petrol - and they look cack

mynickers

Aye, the honda forum boys, often suggest spending that little bit extra on Spoon or Mugen bits, when I went to test drive a teg, it was in the garage, with the bonnet up, so I shot in there and had a chat with the head mechanic before the greasy salesman arrived, and he was saying the same thing, VTEC very complex engine, that performs amazingly at standard, so if your'e going to mess with that, as usual sensible to do your homework.

A friend from here had a well spec'd up scooby which he has given many a supposidly faster and more expensive car a hard time on the track including porkers, and he said tegs could always give him a run for his money. And you're talking about a car with 100 less horses under the bonnet regardless of loss of power through the drive system, plus not awd traction.

They're a formidable car, I determined to own one sooner or later, it will be my learning car, before I get the Type 25 lol