Emms

I'd hardly call myself 'deluded', tempreMENTAL perhaps. I regularly swap from the CTR to the STI, depends on my mood. The STI is faster than the CTR no question (at the moment ), but it 'feels' more faster than it is due to the surge of power low down when it comes on boost, if you know what i mean the CTR's power comes in a lot differently, mutch higher up so it is less of a surge (even compared to the old teg vtech for example). If my fella (who is a CTR forum regular lol) tries, it is not easy gain a lead and on the twisties I can lose some of the gap a make by his ability to out brake me. Having said that both are fast cars; extremely fast? well fast enough for little 'ol me. The point, if there is one, is whether you drive a ctr or scoob you are driving a car that can get you A-B pretty quik. Oh one other small point I get way more waves driving the STi than I do in the CTR.

Colinjy

then what do you expect if your racing from lights, with 4wd and more torque sure yor gonna win. try as abuser said and do it off a round about, i can garentee you'll not see a CTR dropping that far back.

as for the driver wanting to discuss things on the side ofthe road, that's your fault for goating him into a race as you say earlier in your conversation.

gsm1

I've owned a CTR for almost 2 years. IME until you're in 3rd gear a lot of cars will give you a hard time, from standstill, because of the gearing.
The handling is superb and make the car a real joy to drive. VTEC isn't for everyone though - you either like it or you don't.

nigsy

Are you talking standard CTR and 300bhp STI?
You are on drugs. My mates CTR gets destroyed in a straight line and he admits as much. Clio cup is more your territory

DJ Dunk

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Agreed, the CTR would stand no fookin chance

(CTR going on Saturday, Scooby being picked up Sunday )

Emms

Did'nt think STI's had 300 bhp?? 260ish surely? (standard).

nigsy

PPP Emms ! get it done and spank his CTR-----ooh er

scrappydoo

I am talking about the new shape ctr, it has more mid range punch,

and i 'just say NO to drugs' so nah!!! LOL!!!

Guess the sti driver i was racing couldnt drive then lmao!!! Sounded like he was gunning it tho, 'popping and spluttering' down the carriageway with my little old CTR glued firmly to his back bumper. I felt that sorry for him i let him go as it was already decided. oh yeh and i was 2 up

micared

messiah, you ever thought about an Accord type R ? Five star car in Evo, if memory serves me correctly, apparently a better steer than the CTR, and has four doors. Prices not too unreasonable either. Perhaps a better comparison to the scoob.....although again, probably a slower car on paper. Never seen any " chav " threads started about them on here either. ( Not having a go at you CTR owners, just remember someone starting a thread on this subject in relation to CTRs a while ago! ) Just a thought!

Emms

lol. first for me is a decent cat back, then sort brakes which Im finding a bit poor considering they are brembos.....still should be close he is having a Jackson racing supercharger and K-Pro added to his already tweeked car, should (I think) see about 260 in a lighter car, gonna be close, unless it rains. Besides Im the better driver

juan

ooh don't tell cosworth247!

yawn. Can you only race from a standing start. It used to be 'in the twisties' all the time and now its 'from a standing start' all the time.
Like has been said - different story from rolling.

Based on my own experiences of trying it on with each I'd have to say the STi seems considerably quicker. Very easy to dump over the CTR but the STi takes a little longer. I'd have thought a standard scoob and CTR may be fairly close.

davedipster

I wasnt driving

Dipster

wrxmania

The driver surely - a standard or slightly modified with decent power, decat whatever on an 03/04 Blob-eye Impreza - more than a match for the CTR I drove.

Everyone berates how heavy the new model imprezas are - but the weight helps in other respects - ie not a tinny box like the CTR etc.

I love the CTR - think it is great but, like the Scoob, has it's shortcomings - its not a McLaren F1!!!

Brian

zip106

....and Scoobs and CTR's whip the asses off everything else on the roads, eh?
Yeah, right! Each to their own. It's only a chuffin' piece o' metal anyway and they're all crap compared to the next car

Dracoro

What respect? For sports cars, the lighter the better. Guess it has benefits in non sport aspects of the car (less affected by wind, crash safety, can't think of much else)

Rich D

iTrader: (12)

Same engine, same power, same torque, same gearing... so how?!

A slightly lighter flywheel won't affect this!

CTR

So is messiah any wiser on his 3 questions, particulary the performance question

billythekid

Did 40,000 miles in 18 months in mine.

My 03WRX is slightly quicker all round.

Mine had 207bhp as standard...

The ride is a little raw but nothing too bad.

I tried my best to blow the engine on mine (company car) and it held together fine. Did a few track days in it when my 7 was out of action - handled very well for FWD.

The only downsides IMHO are wet acceleration and length of doors.

Rich D

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LOL

You drove like a nutter Si...

Rich D

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And naturally there are no deluded Impreza drivers out there that live in a similar performance bubble and have spent too long in Scooby forum world?!

Now let's all play nice...

Rich D

iTrader: (12)

Wouldn't class a Civic as a "tinny box" myself...

They weigh 1204kg (non aircon model) and considering a classic shape Scoob with all it's additional parts for the 4wd system only weighs 1235kg then the CTR aint actually that light!

However compared to the whopping 1395kg of a current WRX then it is light, or is it just that the Impreza is heavy?!

Emms

Mclaren F1 is overated, twitchy back end, brakes iether on or off and I could'nt get all me tesco's shopping in.

what would scooby do

..and my space shuttle is pretty rubbish off boost

Bain

I owned a CTR for 3 months before I had to get rid. I now drive a V7 Jap STI and there is absolutely no comparison. What you guys are missing is that the CTR has only 145 ft/llb of torque vs 221 for the scoob. The Vtec can be fun for a time but imho it became a ball ache having to keep it above 6500 revs to get it to do anything.
Other pionts to note are that aircon is a must with that big windscreen and the front was more stone chipped than my classic scoob after only 3 months.
If you drive it hard do not expect many miles out of the front tyres.
To sum it up the CTR was a great car but the lack of torque was something that I missed. I did seem to spend less time in the garage and using normal unleaded was cheaper than optimax

scrappydoo

Bain

You were using normal unleaded?

Arnt you suppose to use super or optimax?

DJ Dunk

iTrader: (5)

UK CTR's use 95 ron, didn't notice any difference on mine with super or Optimax.

scrappydoo

Rich D

I was told by a few honda owners in brief that the 2004 type r is more free flowing alowing better mid range.

As you say it has a new lighter flywheel and clutch assembly/throttle mods thereby reducing inertia and making the engine more responsive. The suspension has been firmed-up with new springs and dampers. They have also added uprated anti-roll bars front and rear and improved the steering.

All this adds up mate. The handling alone is worth alot in bhp

scrappydoo

DJ Dunk

I was told to run mine on SUL or optimax all the time when i bought it.

KATANA-K

Emms

Has G. had the JRS fitted yet?!?!?!?!?!?
I know he was having it done. Really like to know what its like????

I think this thread has gone a bit off track??

CTR's & Scoobys are just very different cars. They are designed for very different markets in terms of sales.
I do know of some Modded CTR's that are very quick & would give an STI a run for their money, but if we are talking standard models its not worth comparing them.
Compare STI's with Evo's & CTR's with Focus RS's & the 225’s.

Emms

As far as i know its going on next week, JRSC, Hondata K-Pro ecu, along with his ABP Magnex cat back (sans mid silencer) and Induction kit. He already has the car set up for fast road spec and lowered which has improved the steering feel no end (and it needed it...). I am looking forward to giving it a spin, oh and I have to add Grahams front tyres lasted 32k!!!!! albeit a lot of motorway driving between Sarfend and Oxford (we have since moved).