When Scotland isn't "British"
14 June 2004, 01:18 PM
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This ones even worse, its Scottish ffs!!!!
Bottom of page.
http://www.cossescountryhouse.com/fine-wines.html
Makes note to phone up and complain
Bottom of page.
http://www.cossescountryhouse.com/fine-wines.html
Makes note to phone up and complain
14 June 2004, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Diablo
Never said it wasn't innifensive to display a Scottish Flag in England, but didn't realise that was an issue here.
Originally Posted by Diablo
Why should we support them? Any more than we should support, say, any other European Union team?
Originally Posted by Diablo
And, in a sense you arrogance in thinking we should support (or at least be neutral) towards England the Team without even trying to accept that people will have very differing views that they are quite entitled to hold.
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14 June 2004, 01:23 PM
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Wrong Geezer:
"Doesn't it make you proud to be Scottish?"
"I hate being Scottish. We're the lowest of the ****ing low, the scum of the earth, the most wretched, servile, miserable, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. Some people hate the English, but I don't. They're just *******. We, on the other hand, are colonized by *******. We can't even pick a decent culture to be colonized by. We are ruled by effete arseholes. It's a ****e state of affairs and all the fresh air in the world will not make any ****ing difference." - Renton
"I hate being Scottish. We're the lowest of the ****ing low, the scum of the earth, the most wretched, servile, miserable, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. Some people hate the English, but I don't. They're just *******. We, on the other hand, are colonized by *******. We can't even pick a decent culture to be colonized by. We are ruled by effete arseholes. It's a ****e state of affairs and all the fresh air in the world will not make any ****ing difference." - Renton
14 June 2004, 01:31 PM
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Dear Sir/Madam,
I would like to draw your attention to a particular page on your website:
http://www.cossescountryhouse.com/fine-wines.html
After a debate with aquaintances it has come to light that malt whisky produced in Scotland is known as whisky, not whiskey as you have stated. Whiskey is infact the equivelant to whisky that is not produced in Scotland; for example Irish whiskey, or bourbon.
Don't feel bad, there is no offence intended. I too made the mistake of thinking whisky was a variant of whiskey; I was politely corrected by an Englishman and felt like a proper tit.
Just so you know.
Regards,
Claire Robertson
I would like to draw your attention to a particular page on your website:
http://www.cossescountryhouse.com/fine-wines.html
After a debate with aquaintances it has come to light that malt whisky produced in Scotland is known as whisky, not whiskey as you have stated. Whiskey is infact the equivelant to whisky that is not produced in Scotland; for example Irish whiskey, or bourbon.
Don't feel bad, there is no offence intended. I too made the mistake of thinking whisky was a variant of whiskey; I was politely corrected by an Englishman and felt like a proper tit.
Just so you know.
Regards,
Claire Robertson
14 June 2004, 01:36 PM
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During the last World Cup I was in Australia, no blanket coverage on national TV and radio of England's matches, none of the constant strutting and posturing by the pundits. You know what - I supported England throughout and was desparate for them to win....cheered the house down when Beckham scored against Argentina.
The thing that gets peoples hackles up is the jingoism ( verging on xenophobia - remember the Germany 1-5 match ?) and utter arrogance of some members of the English media. When it comes down to it the media ram it down your throat 24 hours a day then it's great to see the gutted expressions when it all goes wrong.
As for English tolerance - mate of mine from Edinburgh had his car vandalised when he worked in Birmingham during Euro 96, some of the things scratched into the bodywork suggested a "Jocks go home" mentality. There's bampots and ar$eholes everywhere willing to use something as mundane as football to vent their racist feelings.
The thing that gets peoples hackles up is the jingoism ( verging on xenophobia - remember the Germany 1-5 match ?) and utter arrogance of some members of the English media. When it comes down to it the media ram it down your throat 24 hours a day then it's great to see the gutted expressions when it all goes wrong.
As for English tolerance - mate of mine from Edinburgh had his car vandalised when he worked in Birmingham during Euro 96, some of the things scratched into the bodywork suggested a "Jocks go home" mentality. There's bampots and ar$eholes everywhere willing to use something as mundane as football to vent their racist feelings.
14 June 2004, 01:37 PM
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You don't have to support England, the point I'm making is the levels to which many Scots will go to support whoever England are playing.
I'm just lucky to have a Croatian Grandfather, who married a Swiss Goat herder and I feel even luckier that my Fench Mother and Brazilian Dad gave birth to me in Scotland
14 June 2004, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Faire D'Income
No, you said it was offensive to fly the English flag in Scotland. I simply asked why it was considered offensive there when the Scots feel free to plaster the Scottish flag all over their cars in England without the English getting upset about it.
You don't have to support England, the point I'm making is the levels to which many Scots will go to support whoever England are playing. Despite protestations to the contrary, I've seen it many times in Rugby which always annoys me given the good natured side of the game. I'd hope that you'd side with England rather than, say, Croatia simply because we're part of the same nation.
And no, we're not part of the same nation. The UK/GB is not a nation. Might be pedantic to you, but thats what pi55es us off. We have national identity and are very protective of if.
I can understand you disliking the overbearing quantity of attention that is paid to football as a lot of the English are sick to death of it as well but for the last time, I'm not advocating that you support the England team but what I don't understand is the level of hatred that too many Scots have for the English and their teams.
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14 June 2004, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by chunky_lad
The thing that gets peoples hackles up is the jingoism ( verging on xenophobia - remember the Germany 1-5 match ?) and utter arrogance of some members of the English media. When it comes down to it the media ram it down your throat 24 hours a day then it's great to see the gutted expressions when it all goes wrong.
Anyway, this runs far deeper than football, and you know it. It's a front to hide general Scottish displeasure at the English for some unknown reason.
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14 June 2004, 01:58 PM
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LOL Jye, they really are a bunch of no hopers. Half of the homes they set onfire belonged to Welsh people! Obviously didn't do their homework very well.
As for the UK/GB not being a nation, that simply isn't so. It's as much a nation as the US, or Spain or Russia etc. Scotland hasn't been pure since just after the Roman times! It's just as much as bast@rd mish mash of peoples and cultures as the English are. Stop living in a dream!
If you got independance, all the old Clan disputes would probably surface again, and then you'd have the Highlanders Indepedance party!
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As for the UK/GB not being a nation, that simply isn't so. It's as much a nation as the US, or Spain or Russia etc. Scotland hasn't been pure since just after the Roman times! It's just as much as bast@rd mish mash of peoples and cultures as the English are. Stop living in a dream!
If you got independance, all the old Clan disputes would probably surface again, and then you'd have the Highlanders Indepedance party!
Geezer
14 June 2004, 01:58 PM
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During the last World Cup I was in Australia, no blanket coverage on national TV and radio of England's matches, none of the constant strutting and posturing by the pundits. You know what - I supported England throughout and was desparate for them to win....cheered the house down when Beckham scored against Argentina.
14 June 2004, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Geezer
LOL Jye, they really are a bunch of no hopers. Half of the homes they set onfire belonged to Welsh people! Obviously didn't do their homework very well.
As for the UK/GB not being a nation, that simply isn't so. It's as much a nation as the US, or Spain or Russia etc. Scotland hasn't been pure since just after the Roman times! It's just as much as bast@rd mish mash of peoples and cultures as the English are. Stop living in a dream!
If you got independance, all the old Clan disputes would probably surface again, and then you'd have the Highlanders Indepedance party!
Geezer
As for the UK/GB not being a nation, that simply isn't so. It's as much a nation as the US, or Spain or Russia etc. Scotland hasn't been pure since just after the Roman times! It's just as much as bast@rd mish mash of peoples and cultures as the English are. Stop living in a dream!
If you got independance, all the old Clan disputes would probably surface again, and then you'd have the Highlanders Indepedance party!
Geezer
But Spain is a Country in its own right, as is Russia, as is Scotland, England Ireland and Wales. The make up of the population is irrelevant.
Perhaps its as much of a "nation" as far as some English are concrened, and perhaps its that failure to acknowledge that there are differences that is at the route of the problems
Moses who posts on here may not be of Celtic origin, but he's a Scot through and through.
There IS a difference.
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14 June 2004, 02:13 PM
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Are many Scots of true Celtic origin? 
I'm lucky. My Grans side are from the Highlands (Duff Town), they go back generations. My Grandads Granny was an Irish romany gypsy, and his Grandad from the Highlands, again the family have been there generations
I don't see why some English have problems with Scots being so patriotic, it's not as if England have nothing to be patriotic about. As Diablo has pointed out, it's pretty much each to their own. But when it comes to sport, the olympics for example, we ALL follow the 'British' team! We just think the media surrounding English football team makes them look like they are arrogant ar$eholes, thats all, its no biggie
I'm lucky. My Grans side are from the Highlands (Duff Town), they go back generations. My Grandads Granny was an Irish romany gypsy, and his Grandad from the Highlands, again the family have been there generations
I don't see why some English have problems with Scots being so patriotic, it's not as if England have nothing to be patriotic about. As Diablo has pointed out, it's pretty much each to their own. But when it comes to sport, the olympics for example, we ALL follow the 'British' team! We just think the media surrounding English football team makes them look like they are arrogant ar$eholes, thats all, its no biggie
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14 June 2004, 02:22 PM
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Diablo, it's interesting you replied in the way you did. I chose the countries because they have the same issues as us, Spain has the Basques, Russia the Chechyans (and probably countless others) the US is still really a conferderation of states, some of whom would like to be independant, so by that reckoning, the UK is a perfectly valid nation, and the English, Scots, Welsh and Irish are no more than 'factions'.
They were once countries, but they are no longer. Countries come and go as history shows, Scotland only really existed in it's 'Scottish' form from about 500 AD to 1701. You are hankering after something that is not really relevant today. Why not go back even further and throw all the Saxons and Angles and Normans and Romans out of the UK?
Once we've done that we can start to split up the UK into the old tribal regions of pre-Roman times.
It really is time that Scotland (and similar elements of Wales and Ireland admittedly) moved on and realised that U in UK stands for United, and that it is better for the nation to be a whole.
As for Moses, I'd say he is a Muslim first and a Scot second!
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They were once countries, but they are no longer. Countries come and go as history shows, Scotland only really existed in it's 'Scottish' form from about 500 AD to 1701. You are hankering after something that is not really relevant today. Why not go back even further and throw all the Saxons and Angles and Normans and Romans out of the UK?
Once we've done that we can start to split up the UK into the old tribal regions of pre-Roman times.
It really is time that Scotland (and similar elements of Wales and Ireland admittedly) moved on and realised that U in UK stands for United, and that it is better for the nation to be a whole.
As for Moses, I'd say he is a Muslim first and a Scot second!
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14 June 2004, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Diablo
Perhaps its as much of a "nation" as far as some English are concrened, and perhaps its that failure to acknowledge that there are differences that is at the route of the problems
There IS a difference.
There IS a difference.
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14 June 2004, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by eClaire
We just think the media surrounding English football team makes them look like they are arrogant ar$eholes, thats all, its no biggie
Surely no-one these days reads and actually believe what the media says
14 June 2004, 02:33 PM
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But I'm not anti-English! Have I once said 'I hate the English, the English are all ar$eholes'? Nope I haven't!!!! That's what you all need to realise. This is about football isn't it? Ok, now think of the age old rivalry between Liverpool and ManU. The same football rivalry goes on between Scotland and England! It is all said in jest. None of us actually dislike the English (well, us meaning the Jocks on SN)