the guy in the xr2i was probably giving it big licks too keep up wi yi at that speed and just to have a good look at ur car!!!

 

When my WRX (classic, not bug-eye) was making 250bhp I had a play against a 172 from about 50 or 60mph and up, I could only pull a few car lengths in the space we had and didn't pull on him at all below 85mph (nice big, but laggy TD05). I reckon a UK Turbo would be monstered in a similar test, IMHO, IIRC, etc

 

Come to think of it, my car was at 240bhp with a tdo4 at the time..... So maybe it wasn't such a fair test.

I never thought my car was that slow though even when it was standard.

It's funny how this should just be a fact, but the difference of opinion is huge.

Possibly there's quite a few scoobs out there just not making the power they should, more likely to be half the clio's broken though given they're french and all.

'New Renault.... automatic weight saving device..... not quite perfected though as it sometimes removes important bit's and throws them on to the floor'

Should be about perfect now though since all french cars have had this since year dot



Dave

 

how cool is that site?! just done the P1 V WR1, it was close but the P1 won by a whisker, but then we all know the WR1 is a slow pig anyway don't we

 

I've obliterated badly (very large gaps) various clio 172s whenever they've tried to keep up before in mine at various different inital starting speeds, but that's with an imported wrx sti v2 555 - somewhat quicker than the current standard uk wrx and sti...

Still cant see the 172 Cups being quicker than a properly driven uk wrx though.

 

All this talk of slow WRX's makes me agree with RB5 245,
there seems to be a huge difference of opinion on standard performance,

I have a mate with an STI 7 PPP, now, it isn't running perfectly at the moment because of up-pipe problems, but it still gave 260 BHP at a recent PE rolling road test (well down I know !) but still much more power than a my standard MY03 WRX !

My only mods are a WR Sport back box, & a Green pannel fillter, (which i'm shure isn't as good as the standerd paper element), so lets say I have an extra 10 to 15 BHP ....+ the 225 from standard, makes a total of 240 BHP.

We drive the same way home three times a week, and race EVERY TIME, and there is never anything in it upto 120 MPH (faster than I should be going I know !)

But the fact remains that he is driving an STI, and my WRX has exactly the same performance .......... !

I also had an encounter with a WR1 a few days ago, again upto 100 MPH +, and once more there wasn't any difference to speak of
(cannock area, up past sainbrys to the tip, if it was you)

I also spoke to a chap who was dissapointed with the performance of his MY03 WRX, we ended up driving each others cars, only to find that they felt totaly different, both in power & in suspention feel, and also gear change feel.

My car pulled much further down the revs, and a lot harder through the rest of the way.

His front suspention dived alarmingly, were mine was stiff.

His gear change was quite "notchy", where mine is smooth.

But most importantly, he was well down on power compared to me !

From my experience's I have come to think that there must be a lot of Scoobs not making the full power that they should be (& most seem to be NEW AGE models),
But if you are lucky .... you might just get a "good' en",

I have been as honest as I can be in this post,

And anyone who knows me, knows I don't BULLSH#T.

It just concerns me, because I won't to go on to an STI after this ....... but will it really be much different ?

I live in hope !

G TOMO

 

I raced a MY99 Turbo (exhaust mod) at Crail in my standard Cup we were totally equal in every gear (got a much better reaction time so he lost out on his 4x4 advantage) Since then i've added a de-cat,magnex and r sport ecu and even tho last time I went I did a 2.6 60 ft I terminald @ 98 mph (i.e I would pushing a standard classic turbo along in-gear)

 

If your going on the 27th you can race me (going for a cliosport meet) What kind of Impreza you got?

 

i think the link is not too accurate... check the M3 CSL versus the STi Spec C and then read this EVO road test..

 

According to the official figures for both cars the standard UK Turbo (classic shape) is about a second quicker at 0-60 than the 172 cup.
172 cup figures stated 0-60 in 6.8s I think the UK Turbo is about 5.8s isnt it?

The cup is quicker than a standard 172 due to tweaked ECU, less sound deadening, thinner front glass,less interior trim, better suspension setup and a few other mods (in case you didnt already know).

Its still a Clio.

 

My 205 will lick a UK WRX, and keep up with a Classic Turbo. Special editions whoop me easily. I have 187bhp/ton when running right

 

The ecu isn't tweaked. Power is identical

No leather. No ABS & no Aircon also.

Darren

 

Not wanting to **** on your strawberries.... but 240! from a WR BBox and Green Filter would probably give you 3 or 4 bhp max (dont believe the hype!) and as a MY03 has 222bhp standard (225PS) that gains you about a maximum of around 225/6 BHP.... abit down on 240BHP!
Not disagreeing with your quote of being able to keep up with STi’s though... as EVO quoted(MY03): 0-100 = 15.5 not bad for a standard motor.

Having said that.. if you want 240+ from just an exhaust.. check out powerstations website... a nice full Milltek system with sports cat downpipe and new up-pipe..... Next on my shopping list!!!!

 

Jas03, the 03WRX are underquoted....my car has been rolling roaded twice, with just a panel filter and backbox and has got 248bhp and 252bhp (with a drop of booster).

I would suggest you get your RR'd before you do your exhaust mods to see the difference too

Neil.

P.S. im going to do the full H&S system with a sports cat DP myself.....should be fairly similar!

 

My 03WRX already has a Janspeed BB and STi (JAP) Panel filter and to be honest I haven’t had it dyno’d... Sounds fab and pulls alittle stronger when High up in the rev range (5500 - 6000rpm) but I cant say it feels like an extra 15bhp... if it is I stand to be corrected. Maybe the MY03’s are underquoted, but what I was trying to say was that I cant see a WR BBox and Green Panel giving an extra 15Bhp... not in my mind anyway or in the advice I got from the guys up at Powerstation.

Anyone else out there with a MY03 fairly standard that’s had it on the rollers??

 

Couldn't say personalyl as the step dad wrx seems quick enough.

BTU Evo mag did test the cup at being quicker to 100 than a bugeye wrx.

 

jas03WRX

I came to the 15 BHP figure by looking at all of the rolling road stats in the dyno section.
A few guys have the mods that I have, and seem to put out 240 + BHP.

You say you have the ability to feel BHP !

How much do you charge ?, and where do I put my wheels ?

Don't be a Doubting Thomas, SUBARU might have given you more power than you thought.

Lets live in hope.

G TOMO (Mr Glass is half full !)

 

mmmmm, I was chatting to the lads at the garage and they said to forget the my03 as they are just the same, the extra power is because the figures are quoted running 97 ron fuel, they said the sti handles slightly better the new PPP is much better

but I ve only played with one my03 but my bugeye is not std

having followed quite a few classics I can fairly say they pull away

about the clio, I had fun with one last week on a nice windy road I pulled away quite easy on the streight but he caught me up in the twisties with all three wheels on the ground

he pulled on to his driveway 10 ish miles along this road - the car is not everything this lad could drive and he really knew the road

this is the same road I pulled away from a maserati......

time to forget the mods, and book some driving lessons