Have to say that if you dont get in the PPP'd car after using it non - ppp'd and don't go "wow" theres something wrong with it!!

Jza

 

Yep, big difference in performance when my PPP was fitted at the 1K service.

Running just over 18PSI in the higher gears.

 

Totally agree with the comments above mate. Had the very same mods and tek 3 done to my MY04 WRX. Performance is mind blowing to standard, turbo spools up so quickly, and the rev counter does not take long to reach the top in 1st,2nd,3rd gear. Overtaking in 4rth now is so possible from around 60mph. Going on the RR in august so curious to see the results, hope they are similar to yourself. Mine's is running 1.24 bar.

been in two PPP WRXs and was fairly impressed compared to the standard WRX. On track however i was following behind, and there was very little in it, only pulled a car length in front. However now with the tek 3 and decat i think personally it would be the opposite way around, it just feels much quicker.

When i had it done, on the drive home was not too impressed, but as the miles have climbed it does feel quicker, the comment earlier about having to rag it a little to tell the ECU how you like to drive maybe have some truth in it.

anyway in total its cost me £1020. well chuffed.

Paul

 

Whitey, totally agree mate

but I have had several problems since i lost my warranty

with the new ppp ( 260bhp rather than the old 240bhp ) I think I might be go with the ppp

I don't understand people getting a ppp then putting on a bleed valve - if you want to push your car for what you can get ( safely) go for a tek3 etc and loes the warranty but why pay all that extra money for a pro drive kit just to throw away the warranty on a bleed valve or a back box.. nout stanger than folk

edited to say I get about 1.3 bar on the defis and 1.37 bar peak on the psi 3

last time I had it rolling roaded I had 260bhp and 270 lbs, but thats a powerstation reading which said the car was 215 std

 

The first few minutes of driving my WRX03 PPP was 'oh dear, not the big transformation I was expecting!' I have now done 11k and am very pleased with the PPP. I suggest driving your car for at least 200 miles, and i'm sure it will feel better. Also, try sitting in the passenger seat and let someone else drive, and feel that strong torque!

Of course, I would love more and more power, but I have an illness called NGE, short for 'Never get enough', and I do have to keep an eye on this illness.

 

Don't all have ago at me first time i've posted on here be easy with me..., Sorry for sounding Thick I have just orderd a WRX 04 what is PPP ? thx...

 

Welcome to Snet Skubyman.

PPP is the Prodrive Performance Pack. On the WRX it boosts power to 261BHP and also increases the torque, whilst retaining the 3 year warranty.

Well worth the £1600 IMO.

Dan

 

Arr thx very much I think that will come a bit later...

 

03/04 STi's do not have cats in the up-pipe, don't know about the WRX though.

John.

 

Butty, if you were at the power engineering RR day last month then i remember talking to you and the WRX in question was mine. It was refreshing to see a PPPd one make and even exceed the quoted figures for a change!!!

Neil.

 

Hi Neil

With the cooler weather today, I've had some extra boost than quoted above.
2nd & 3rd were peaking at 18.5 psi but 4th & 5th were at an alarming 19.5 psi.
this is 1.32 bar which sounds a bit to high.
The boost gauge is an SPA one, picking up boost off one of the inlet manifold runners, sampling over an average of 1 second.
I'll have to see what delta dash sees through the MAP to confirm, but that seems a bit OTT.

Nick

 

I may be completely wrong as I have limited technical knowledge but the whole problem with the PPP is that it is a 'standard' ECU remap package and IS NOT TAILORED TO THE CAR itself.

This is important because cars coming off the production line all produce different power (fact). I remember this well with motorbikes too, the early fireblades were dynoed anywhere between 105 and 125 bhp - which makes a HUGE difference on a light bike.

So, the conclusion is that something like TEK 3 actually looks at how your particular car is behaving and then plans the remap to suit. A bolt on PPP remap cannot work for all cars as they have differing power outputs from new so it will work for some and not for others.

I have a MY03 WRX with TEK 3 and full H&S decat.

curiously, I have found that the more I drive - let's call it enthusiastically... the faster it has become whereas when I bought it (secondhand) I was not that impressed. I suffer from NGE too....

so, does enthusiastically driving the car change the power and responsiveness as the ECU learns whatcha like?

Can anyone else comment on the above with some expert knowledge!

 

What did you pay for the tek3 and H&S systems

 

bought car with them already fitted but I think it was something like 1000 plus a bit? 600 or so for remap plus all the separate parts of the full zorst system. it was done by xtreme scoobs who seem very helpful everytime I've talked to them and the car is great. in fact about to upgrade the brakes.... at xtreme.

 

Wrexy, do you know what power your getting? as i priced up a 3" system from H&S yesterday + tek 3.....

As mine is running 250+ with just a panel filter im hoping that 300 is possible, with the addition of some good hosing too.

Cheers,

Neil.

 

cheers for that but do u have a web address or contact details

thanks

 

Thanks for all the replies and interest. I will stick with it for another month or so and see if it improves.

One other question, I have been running it on Esso super unleaded (97RON) from my local petrol station but when away from home and needing to fill up I have found it difficult to locate super unleaded.

What octane rating are Shell Optimax and BP Ultimate ? Is it possible to get 98RON unleaded on a forecourt as recommended inside the petrol flap or is that via an octane booster only ?

Gaz.

 

Neilo : what xtreme do is give you an estimate based on timed acceleration through the gears and I am told that they said 285bhp. I haven't had it dynoed. I would hazard a guess at somewhere between 265-285 based on other cars I've driven. so not far off. Obviously, each day's temperature and (say) aircon on or off all has an effect. On a hot day I feel way down on power for example.

pxr: I think the web address is extremescoobies.co.uk do a google search. it is in Boreham Essex near Chelmsford.

Gazboth: welcome to the most talked about subject on snet! I use optimax or in emergencies BP ultimate. The general view is that optimax is 98 RON or even more depending on who you ask, and BP U is 97. Don't use 95 RON at all and avoid supermarket super.

good luck and have fun.

BTW if I haven't already said, the full H&S system sounds just fantastic. I never listen to stereo anymore just the growl...

 

Well, i thought i'd fish this thread out.

Put my car on the PowerStation rollers last weekend, it made 244bhp and 238 (i think) lbft torque.

So there's 16 ponies missing in action. But then that's assuming of course that PS's reading is accurate. I've heard their RR can be a little stingy on bhp figures with 4wd cars.

On the day there were a few dodgy results - people with RWD and 4WD cars missing bhp, people with FWD cars getting bang on results.

I'll say again, that my old bugeye (non ppp - just half decatted and 1.2bar boost) could NOT keep up with my current car - 04 ppp's WRX. The 04 is clearly quicker, it just pulls harder. But the results - 244bhp suggest it's about the same as my old one, totally wrong (imho).

Anyone have any thoughts/experience on PowerStation's bhp figures? Generally accurate or a bit stingy?

People in this thread seem to have had their cars rolling roaded - where have you run your car to get those figures?

tia

PS - I'm tempted to throw on an afterburner vortex (not too fussed about the noise, the neighbours already hate me), see if we cant open up the exhaust a little more.

 

PPS - I ran the car twice - first time was within 30 mins of arriving and the car was damn hot (just blasted down the M5 and then sat in Cheltenham traffic very lost).

2nd time car was a bit cooler but still warm so they watersprayed the ic.

1st run 241 bhp
2nd run 244 bhp.

Oh yes, and strangely i lost another 10 bhp through transmission loss on the 2nd run. Funny, i dont recall changing the car's drivetrain or g/box between both run's. Fishy imo.

 

You've also got to take into account air temperature, humidity etc.....


I was always advised not to run a Turbo car on rollers as the fan they use cant replicate the amount of airflow you get when a cars moving.
Also know of a few cars that have blown up on the rollers

The only rolling road that I've been truly impressed with was I&N's test and development one....

 

Yup, it aint the same as all that 70mph air rushing through the IC/Rad/etc.

 

how about fitting an ic spray Merlin?

 

I could do but first thing first i want to find out if i have a problem.

I've actually got some hoses and an sti spray nozzle lying about, was going to run it off the washer jet pump but i couldnt be arsed and i doubt the pump is strong enough.

The 03-04 scoop being bigger is a major bonus, the bugeye scoop was way too small & heat = bad = chaps in crap cars pulling away from me.

 

Driving around in a 1.6 golf waiting for my JDM to arrive - thats seems a bit slow too.

 

Did you get a power at wheels figure? This can be a bit more indicative.


Nick

 

80 bhp transmission loss - 90 bhp on the 2nd run! Shocking.

rofl, scoobies - got to love that tranny loss, still i'd rather that than FWD or RWD.

 

Those figures aren't bad for powerstation my 02 wrx ecu tek, sports cat downpipe, tsl sports cat, EL headers gets about 265 bhp and 270 lbs and Im not complaining

 

You should see the size of the fan (and the airconditioned cell) that G-Force use! The fan must be at least 4ft in diameter .....
Try here - Proper Dyno

 

Now that IS a proper dyno.