mike7041uk

You could try http://www.bodyforlife.com/ it worked for me
I also used http://www.xenadrine.com/ and lost 2stone and 5% bodyfat

Mike

King RA

Hi Milo, I weigh 12 stone at the moment and train down the gym about 3 times a week, lifting weights...no cv really. I am trying to cut up but find it very difficult. My daily food comprises of:

Bowl of fruit and yoghurt for brekkie
4 small rolls with either ham or beef and lettuce for lunch
2 chicken fillets with an onion and garlic added and a whole chicken tonight sauce for dinner
2 pints of milk, maybe 3 with 25grams of Reflex instant whey protein throughout the day.
Lots of water, it's what I drink at work (cos theres a machine right next to me )

I eat like this practically every day but my weight doesn't drop off, although I am adding quite a bit of muscle by going down the gym.

What can I do to become more lean???

Regards,

King RA

TelBoy

Eat less and do more exercise, maybe an extra workout, some cv work.


Can i have a certificate please?

King RA

oh add to that about 6 pints on a Fri and Sat, maybe a few more and 1 possibly 2 chicken fillet burgers and chips from the local kebab shop, or a curry (just 1 curry mind!!)

STi wanna Subaru

iTrader: (1)

I'm sure Telboy couldoffer some good advice.............. if only he'd post in this thread

TelBoy

Lost for words. You just wrote that and you don't know the answer to your own question???

LOL

Poor Guy

holy moly <- thats me now. jogging round woods hurts.

TelBoy

You're jogging when you're an overweight 17 stone? Who gave you that excellent advice??



STiwS -

Poor Guy

me. i thought it would be better than staying in bed all mornin.

King RA

Do you really think it makes a big difference even though I eat healthy during the week?? I don't know how I could cut that out at the weekend tho, maybe I could loose the kebab shop and curry but PLEASE don't take away my beer.....sob....

TelBoy

Brisk walking would be better, honestly. Jogging is a mug's game.

STi wanna Subaru

iTrader: (1)

get doing some running!! why do people not do CV? that is what gets you 'healthy'

it's just being lazy IMHO. take up a team sport such as football or rugby and enjoy getting fit while also meeting a new social group. There's other sports such as Tennis, Squash etc. Running to most people is boring and a chore but in a sport as I've mentioned you get fit but your focus is on the game and not the next mile you will run.

milo

bro it isnt that simple at all (and in many cases people not losing weight actually need to eat MORE to kick their bodies out of the metabolic shutdown they've got themselves in by trying to follow this "eat less" rule). it matters what you eat and when you eat. if your rule above were true, people in third world countries would be looking lean and toned... but they arent.

TelBoy

Sorry, but for the majority of people in the Western world, it is.

milo

okay some observations:
* your breakfast is not good. you need to kick off your metabolism with something more substatial. i eat almost all my carbs early morning, then train, then taper them off throughout the day. i would suggest you take in some of your whey protein and some oats for breakfast. around 30-50g of oats, and enough whey to give you about 30g of protein. drop the fruit and yogurt while cutting - instead take in a vitamin tablet - contrary to popular belief, you CANNOT expect to get seriously lean while taking in any amounts of fruit - these have sugars which cause an insulin response and can cause you to store fat in a calorie deficit situation.
* bread rolls are out on cutting diets. and make sure if you're going to eat ham or beef that it isn't the processed kind. chicken is better for cutting tho.
* drop the chicken tonight sauce.. this is needless sugars and fats.
* drop the milk while cutting - it makes/keeps you soft. milk is one of the most awesome things to have while bulking.. but not cutting. you will probably need a calcium tablet however.
* whey is good for after training and first thing in the morning when you need protein fast, but is absorbed too fast at other times.
* add some more meals or snacks in there. you should be taking in 30g of protein and either some low gi carbs or some good fats every 3 hours.
* count your calories up as this is whats important.

by the way - don't change all this overnight. do it gradually over a few weeks - that way you'll be continually improving things and when a new plateau comes, you can add another of the suggestions above to get past it. shocking your body is not what you want to do here - but with taking in some of these suggestions, the rest of your fat will fall off.

milo

this isn't true. even based on the evidence of people posting in this thread who have stopped losing weight and are taking in really low amounts of calories a day. take the guy who's taking in 800 calories and has stalled. your blanket suggestion to him is to eat LESS?!?

i am assuming when you say "...until you lose weight", we are referring to fat weight, not lbm?

the vast majority of people who have stalled on a diet have stalled as a result of taking in too few calories, not too many. how can you say that they should compound this problem by taking in even fewer and let their metabolism slow down even further, even putting themselves at great risk?

milo

yeah... didnt see this when i made my first reply to u unless you're just kidding here (i hope!). drop all that stuff... it's killing your diet.

TelBoy

As you and i both know, gaining weight isn't a straight line graph.

If a guy is stalling on a diet, i *wouldn't* advise eating more, as most people just don't have the expertise (or willpower) to control it and not let it become an excuse to slip into bad habits. Exercising more is the answer in those circumstances.

With respect, forget ketosis, even though i know it's your pet subject. For most people, most of the time, that is just *too* technical, even though i understand the physiology behind it. A hardcore bodybuilding analysis isn't relevant to most people.

Eat less, exercise more. It usually works.

milo

honestly, travelling at the the speed of light is so easy. just keep going faster until you reach it.

milo

exercising merely burns calories. you are effectively advising the same as taking in fewer calories. heck, if you're on 800 calories a day and actually need 2500, quite where you're going to find the energy to do this exercise is beyond me.

gradually upping the calories by splitting out meals into multiple smaller meals is the answer. it speeds up metabolic rate, gives you extra energy to let you improve your cardiovascular condition via exercise, and will make it LESS likely to slip into bad habits as you won't be constantly hungry and craving cheat food.


im not sure where you're getting this from today - i have not suggested ketosis for anyone in this thread. yes i have explained what it is, probably in detail, in the past.. when people have asked or seemed mislead as to what it is.

TelBoy

We have to agree to disagree mate.

My adage - keep it simple. Extreme cases of metabolic shutdown aside, a decrease in calorific intake and an increase in activity are all anyone needs to know.

It's just a case of doing it.

milo

my adage - if you're going to do something to your body.. know EXACTLY what you're doing.

but yeah.. that's fair enough

StickyMicky

well when i started my current job just over a year and a half ago i went for the medical and found acording to there scales that i was 18 stone

im about 6 foot 1"

i was a bit gutted but asumed that i would burn it off once i got back into the swing of working and such

i did lose a little,but not what i wanted,so it wasmy new years resolution to shift the fooken lot

last weekend i was 15 stone 1

and its a doddle
cut out the drinking by about 99% (i was hammering the booze)
fizzy pop is gone (britta filterd water is very nice from the fridge)
break time @ work used to be a bar of choclate and a can of pop, now its 1 poached egg and 2 slices of toast with a carton of orange juice
50 press ups a day 5 times a week for the first few months, this was then dropped to 3 times a week (mon/wed/fri) and has been beefed up with sum barbell curls (30kg just after the press ups x10) and ive started experimenting with sum other exercises (tried a few deadlifts etc etc normally just lift away till i feel a bit dizzy lol)

its amazing how fast its starting to shift off me now, i was wearing a pair of jeans the other day that i havnet been able to wear for about a year, scarey fast wieght loss

the girlfriend is complaing because im not comfy enough when she wants a cuddle
says my chest is to hard and she cant use my arms for a pillow anymore
once you see decent results its easy to keep it up, i had set my target wieght as 15.5 stone but im compleaty smashed that now so i figure imight as well aim for 14.5 and see how i get along (body seams like its not actualy loseing wight as fast but is turning from this fatty mess into sumthing which looks half decent lol)

MadMark

Sort of agree with TB (oh the pain) - but would extend that by saying that you need to watch sugar and fat intake even more .......

King RA

Milo, this diet may be of interest to you. I did try it for a while but didn't have the willpower to keep it up, what are you opinions of this???

The All Natural PEANUT BUTTER DIET! by Mr.X

Hi Everyone:

I want to present to you a concept that has been implemented by me in the past w/ a few of my clients that had an issue w/ dieting. As you can see by the title of the thread, this small article will talk about a diet that is mainly consistent of All Natural Peanut Butter (ANPB), and I don?t know many people that don?t like ANPB. Let me just make it clear, this diet WILL ONLY WORK WITH ALL NATURAL PEANUT BUTTER.

Let?s look at the breakdown of the diet; don?t worry, I?ll make it simple:

NOTE:
These are the supplements and foods that will be needed on this diet?
Multi Vitamins/Minerals (generic versions are fine)
Vitamin C, E, A, D
Calcium
4 Jars ANPB (local grocery store)
3-5lbs. of whey protein (www.proteinfactory.com get non flavored or a flavored w/ minimal carbs).
1 tbsp. measuring spoon


(1) Figure out your Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR), this number will usually be weight x 12 for most people. For example, if I?m 200lbs., my BMR= 2400 (200*12).

(2) Take your BMR number and multiply it by 0.95, this will allow for a 5% deficit from your BMR (.95=95%, which is 100-5). For the 200lbs. example, the BMR is 2400*.95= 2280 calories, this will be your daily caloric intake. This number will be called DBMR (dieting BMR).

(3) Look at your ANPB jar: 2tbsp. of ANPB = 200cal., 16g fat, 5g carbs (7-2fiber), 7g protein. Now, take your DBMR and multiply it by 0.75, this will give you?re your PBMR. In our example of 2280 calories, this would be 2280 (DBMR) * 0.75 = 1710 calories = PBMR.

(4) Take your PBMR number and divide it by 200, now take the number you get and multiply it by 2. In our example, 1710/200=8.55; 8.55*2= 17.1 (round down). Thus, we have 17. This number is the number of ANPB spoons you?ll have a day; thus, in our case we can have 17tbsp. of ANPB.

(5) Take your DBMR ? PBMR = RBMR, take RMBR and divide it by 4, this will give you the amount of protein (grams) you take in per day. In our case, 2280 ? 1710 = 570; 570/4 = 142.5 (round up) = 143 g protein per day.

Therefore, in our example, this 200lbs. person would be eating 17tbsp. of ANPB per day and 143g protein (whey protein) per day. If he was to have 6 meals, this would be about 2.8 tbsp. of peanut butter per meal w/ 23g protein per meal. If you were to use your ratios, this would be done by taking your number of tbsp. per day divide by 6 and take your protein intake per day and do the same. This will vary depending on the amount of meals you have.

For our example, this individual would be taking in:
2280 cal per day ? 72 fiber cal = 2208 calories total
136g fat per day, 1224 calories (55%)
203 g protein per day, 812 calories (37%)
43 g carbs per day, 172 calories (8%)

So, with this easy to follow diet you?ll get some amazing ratios: 55%fat/37%protein/8%carb.

Enjoy! This is just a sample of what?s going to be in my new book!


Take 2-3 tabs of Multi vit/min, 500mg Vit C per day, 2 caps Vit E and 1 tab of the vit A/D combo. For the calcium, 500mg per day.


Mr.X

TelBoy

I'm changing my opinions.

MadMark

Jesus - how much fat per day???

MadMark

On what?

milo

telboy - explain to him what ketosis is please?

milo

yes i have seen this before. ive seen a lot of mr. x's stuff.

this diet is a ketogenic diet.. and is designed to be used short-term in order to shed fat fast while maintaining muscle. mr. x devised this for people who have trouble with traditional ketogenic diets.

telboy is gonna have a go for me talking about my "pet subject" again

i would recommend ketogenic diets for two types of people:
* bodybuilders or models who need to shred fat for a specific date (such as a show or photoshoot etc) and don't really care that the fat will not stay off once they reintroduce carbs again.
* people who are not able to lose fat on a diet which contains carbs (there are people out there like this who will not lose fat on 2000 calories with carbs, but will lose plenty of fat while in ketosis even on 2500+ calories).

this wouldn't be my first choice of diet to try - it's one to use if nothing else works for you (and thats pretty unlikely).