MadMark

Works like the Atkins Diet then?

milo

yes thats right.

both are ketogenic diets, the difference is that the anpb diet calls for more good fats than a traditional atkins dieter *usually* has in their diet. reason being - you are restricted to the fats from anpb in the anpb diet.

im pretty suprised mr x's diet isnt cyclical ketogenic however.. iirc most of his stuff usually is.

wwp8

how important is breakfast?
what is recomended? 60gm of shreddies with 150ml of skimmed milk?

what is not recomended it sounds like fruit?
i love oranges and apples (royal gala mm)

i hate oily fish started trying tuna with brown bread and salad (ok i suppose but sooooo boring and not tooo tasty)
grilled chicken in brown bread ok?

hows the best way for protein (whey) any supplements? or any type of foods that is high

what do you think of this then

http://www.xenadrine.com/

(as introduced by mike7041uk )

wwp8

what percentage of bodyfat is ok.
at the mo it is 17% for me (compared to 25 at xmas )

milo

breakfast is vital. some form of protein (such as egg whites) and low gi carbs (such as oats) are best.

its all relative - fruit is better than pies. but there are a LOT of things better than fruit while cutting (fruit is just simple sugars).

yes grilled chicken is one of the best foods to have. brown bread is crap.. wholemeal is FAR better. brown is exactly the same as white just a different color... wholemeal is the one with more goodness. dont take in too much bread tho.

whey is good for after a workout when your body needs aminos fast. at other times it has more limited value and casein is better. whey has the best amino acid profile and biological value of anything... but is absorbed too fast. plus, taking in real food speeds up your metabolism. foods high in protein are chicken, tuna, egg whites, turkey, lean beef etc etc.


xenadrine USED to be good when they had a version that contained ephedrine (with caffeine and aspirin). but now they're not allowed to. so i'd save my money if i were u and just get your diet right. worry about supplements when you're down to 10% bodyfat already and want to get to 8% or lower.

milo

around 15% is usually regarded as average for a male. i think people dont look so good at this level personally however. imo you start looking ok at 12% and below when abs start to show properly... and once you get into single figures you start looking seriously ripped. abs should be totally visible at 10% on anyone. a lot of it depends on how you carry the fat tho.

good going on dropping 7% so far btw. how are you measuring your percentage?

Poor Guy

woohoo. students get £10 discount a month at the gym, £15! makes it worth while if only go for 4 days a month.

wwp8

by using one of those bodyfat scales.

how do you use/cook the egg whites
i think that oats are tasteless though. abit like mushy cardboard.
and i like to try and avoid simple sugars whenever poss.
damn not really a breakfast guy, always skipped it for the last 20 odd years

what is recomended .a grilled meat.
on either

a. boiled rice and soyasauce
b. wholemeal/malted bread with salad.
c. steamed veg with beans?


just started to add a tin of tuna chunks (130 gms drained weight 5gm was water)
with 4 slices of bread otherwise there will be too much fish, with salad

and for **** sakes. put on 2 bloody pounds

milo

those are horribly inaccurate. often really badly out. get some calipers (these are seriously cheap) as they are far more accurate.


i seperate the whites from the yolks by hand. scramble the whites and throw out the yolks. you can get egg seperaters however to get rid of the yolk for you which would be quicker if you're pressed for time. i used to eat egg whites raw a lot... until i got a bad one. i now cook them always.


yeah.. depends what u want tho. id eat cardboard all day long if i thought it was best for me i dont eat for taste.. ever. for oats i throw them in some water, put some whey and casein in there, shove it in a blender, blend, then down it. like i said tho.. i dont give a tiny rats *** about enjoying meals.. so this approach is not for everyone


any of these are ok aside from the soy sauce. i would always have veg if you're going to cook a meal. rice is good if its brown.. or basmati.. or brown basmati just be careful with the quantity of carbs you take in (especially in one go) while cutting.


dont micro-manage your weight on the scales. heck, a liter of water weighs over a pound - your bodyweight can vary drastically based on your hydration levels and water retention alone, not to mention numerous other factors. weight yourself once a week, and measure your bodyfat once a week.. at the same time of day each week.

4 slices of bread is too much in one sitting if you're trying to diet strict btw. you arent getting the tuna chunks in sunflower oil are u? make sure its either in spring water or in brine.

wwp8

its brine chunks

btw i drink about 3-4 litres of evian a day.

i pass on the egg whites dunno how to do them in a way, cant boil them, don't wanna scramble them too, omellette.?? hardly any there to worth it.

as for oats is honey or syrup a bit too silly good + bad = bad

heck i have a takeaway hence boiled rice and SS is soooo convenient

i suppose an odd day a week won't hurt

GC8

Stop eating chips and drinking beer you Northern monkey!

Poor Guy

**** off southern fairy.

super_si

Ive just started cutting today. Im hoping to drop 8-12lbs of fat in 6 weeks

Tim-Grove

I went from 17.5 stone to 13.5 in 4 months. I would tell you how I did it but I would probably get flamed, because apparently it isn’t a real diet, so I’m keeping my mouth shut.

milo

bro seriously congrats on your weight loss... but that's what it was.. weight loss.. not JUST fat loss. yes im sure you lost a lot of fat.. but you can bet your (much smaller) *** that you lost a LOT of lean mass too, losing the weight that quick and all.

i don't know why people are surprised that when they post up a very catabolic diet.. or worse, one that puts your body in a potentially dangerous position.. or at least an undesirable one... they get called out on it.

Audi-Boy

So if I ride 10 miles a day in say 40 minutes (quite brisk) what would I have to eat to get to 10 stone from 12?

How long should it take to do it properly?

milo

if you want to metabolise fat and keep as much lean mass as possible, you should be losing 1-2lbs a week and no more. unassisted, the body just cannot metabolise more fat than that. but are u serious u want to get to 10 stone.. that's not a lot of muscle.. how tall are u?

if you're eating 6 potato cakes a day or whatever.. you'll need to come out of that gradually and get to a situation where you're eating several meals a day.. and actually get some protein into your diet. fat will then drop off and you'll preserve your muscle.

Audi-Boy

Sounds like good advice.

You recommend 14 weeks to lose 2lb of fat a week?

10 stones not a lot of muscle? I'm about 6ft1.

milo

i would personally recommend UP TO 28 weeks to lose 28lbs (anything between 14 and 28 weeks). it depends what you want. essentially the slower and safer u lose it, the less likely it is to come back on, and the higher percentage of your weight loss is real fat.

yeah at 6'1 10 stone is very light. even if you had a seriously low bodyfat level at that weight, u would look mal-nourished to be honest.

Audi-Boy

True.
What sort of things should one eat then and is the 10 mile brisk cycle enough?

milo

the sort of things that have been listed in this thread. a good meal should consist of a protein form such as chicken, fish, lean beef etc. plus a small amount of complex carbs such as brown rice. and a good amount of veggies. you also want to get some good fats into your diet, which is why salmon is such a good option. eat small and often.

weight training is about the best thing u can do.

Luan Pra bang

Is it to late to suggest ephedrine speed and cocaine ?

milo

cocaine is catabolic so not a good idea. there are severe penalties (i.e. prison) in the uk merely for possession of speed, so not a good idea.

ephedrine on the other hand...

Luan Pra bang

Whats a catabolic and does it explain why some people who use coke on a daily basis can still be fat ?

Pbr

Anabolic=muscle building.

Catabolic=muscle wasting.

Poor Guy

anabolic, as in anabolic steroid

milo

EXACTLY as pbr said.

catabolic means muscle wasting - it does NOT mean fat wasting.

Luan Pra bang

So If I ever get the time to get of my **** and go to the gym for an hour a week does a good shot of ephedrine make up for only going once a week.

milo

no. absolutely not.

drugs are not a substitute for poor training, nutrition, rest etc etc.

use them (if you're willing to accept the risks and have total knowledge of what you're taking) when your training routine is perfect, your nutrition is perfect, your rest is perfect... and you either plateau for a long period of time (which WILL happen eventually no matter what) or require more gains than being natural will give you.

Luan Pra bang

Doesn't help me then every day I wake up thinking I should go and join a gym in the morning before work and get some exercise and every day I say in bed until the last minute before starting my working day. I have 2 kitchens and 4 chefs available to prepare what ever I ask them to and I still never manage a healthy diet either chicken sandwiches on the move or I forget to eat until I have a morning off then eat kit kats and crisps all day becuase I am starving and havn't been shopping. I don't know how people manage to organise all this healthy diet and training into their lives. Every morning it either gym or bed and in my head bed always wins.