SJJ84

Also didn't have traction control, as good brakes, suspension or tyres.

carl

Fair play -- they were significantly lighter, too. It's just that I used to use the "RWD used to be safe, so why not now?" argument myself until I realized you can't really compare an old RWD car with a modern one.

I read somewhere (a long time ago) that one of the contributory factors in the demise of driving skill was radial tyres. Crossply tyres used to give progressively, meaning that pretty much anyone could correct a slide. With a lower level of grip, too, that meant that slides happened at a much slower speed and so you had more time to correct. With a radial it's more like grip, grip, grip, grip, and then it's gone. But the grip limits are outside the envelope that ordinary drivers will experience, so "on the limit" car control skills have been lost.

dij

Thanks for the tip sj.

I dont think I will bother trying out one of those.
I had enough experience in my 2.8i capri,corolla ae86(bros car),s13 200sx (220 bhp 2.0) and various others.
Oh and an s2000 for a month.

I agree its easy to drive a scoob,but thats what makes it a good car for the public road.

I havent tried mastering the art of oversteer,and unless I race on a track I wont need to.
I know its fun and rewarding to control the car with your right foot aswell as the steering,but also potentially dangerous.

I dont think a RWD will loose grip unless your pushing it in which case you have to know what youre doing.

If you dance with a crocodile,you have to be prepared for the music to stop.

carl

Do you think all those Merc and BMW drivers have mastered "the art of oversteer"? I think not.

SJJ84

I tend to agree with that! Altho they are so tricked up with traction control and the like that you'd have to be really pushing it to lose it. Unless of course you turn it all of! Told my boss to turn the TC off in his M3 convertible, only in an empty car park, he nearly had a heart attack! Waste of a car in his hands, he might aswell have brought a 318 convertible and put an M3 bodykit on it, he'd never notice the difference. Needless to say the TC stays firmly on now!!

Type R

I use the brake, throttle and steering to control my car, having some Car control tutution in any car will improve your awareness on the road, Ive learnt loads in 14 months, at bedford having the back end out at 70 is now quite fun, 12 months ago would have **** my self

Gallardo

I thought this was an S2000 thread

dij

Ok now thats over and done with,Flame suit deactivated.

True Gallardo,lets get back on topic.

The S2000 is probably the best car of this type (ie rwd,convertable,good looking fun,reliable etc etc) in its price range.(IMO of course)
I love the way the hood comes down in seconds,the howl of the exhaust when the vtech kicks in and sends the revs to 9k.
I wouldnt hesitate to by one if I could.

It would be advisable for anyone driving this type of car to get driver training unless your already confident with your driving skills.

BTW,the one I drove was a V reg and didnt have traction control.
Loosing the back was fun,but not when going round a roundabout and almost tapping the car on the left of me with my back end.
Going sideways means your taking up more than one car width.

I prefer going straight in the lane.(on public highways)

Midmotorsteve

a mate has the first revision s2000, he got it 3 weeks before that bit of snow, snow came he did a 'less than 5mph' piroet slid backwards down a bank into a ditch. Only mark on the car was a cracked rear indicator. Bunch of pikies pulled it out the ditch for him, very kind of them, took the **** something chronic tho. I must say I think its a fantastic car.

I have a mr2 rev2 n/a find it's glued to road in all weather (havn't took it out in snow mind). N/A engine's block cracked tho, so its having a tubby lump dropped in, get it back 2nd week of august hope it won't be too scary, will be slightly modded from word go, adjustable cam pullies, aussie downpipe, stage 2 clutch, MBC.

Amuse Boy

Dij - I have to disagree. RWD is a very safe and satisfying drive moreso than a Subaru will ever be (the satisying bit anyway ). I've had my S2000 (2002MY) for two years now and have not (touch wood) have it suddenly break loose on me unless I have deliberately provoked the back end.

The Subaru and the S2000 are completely different beasts - anyone can jump into a Subaru and drive it fast and feel like a driving god - put the same driver into an S2000 and I guarantee, the first thing they will say is that it handles ****e...more of an excuse for their inadequacies I say. The subaru has a tendancy to understeer whereas the S will turn in very sharply but can bite you if you don't commit yourself to the bend (read lift off oversteer).

The power to weight on the S means that it can also hang with the best of them...I've had several runs with an E46 M3 and Evo FQ300 from 40 to 90 (kph officer!) and there is very little in it, though I did expect to get humiliated. Take it to the winding roads, and it honestly does humiliate most cars on the road today.

Looks - there's no comparison here now is there. Subaru? S2000? hmmmm

BTW - dij - i have a very good friend who attempted a bit of drift driving in his STi V5 after watching some Japanese drift video - suffice to say, his car got very intimate with a lamp post / hedge / wall - can't remember which.

Oh and here's a few pics of mine:

SideShowBob

As far as noise and wind noise go, its noisy with the top down, but the deflector means its not too uncomfortable, and its so wicked driving with the roof off you dont notice the noise too much!! in about 12 or 13 cars, this is my first convertable, and it changes the whole experience of driving enormously, just so much fun.

They arent quiet though, ive done a few long trips, around 2.5 hours in one go, and I didnt find it bad myself, but some people find them a bit much.
6 gears helps, but ultimitely there's no getting away from the fact thats its primarily a sports car built for thrashing about in, so its no motorway miles muncher by design, but can do the job providing you are prepared to accept it'll never be as comfortable and quiet as most cars, even with roof up.

If you wanted you could get a GT, use the hardtop during the week, and take it off to play about in the car on weekends, thou im not sure how easy or difficult the hardtop is to fit, but I have heard its very good (never got the hardtop myself).

dij

LOL @ amuse boy.

Maybe you could take your friend out in your s2k and show him how to drift.

Nice car mate,it looks like youve got a titanium exhaust or summit.Must have saved a few kg in weight.

Ok guys you win,a rwd is safe,very easy to control,back end wont step out,and all you owners are driving gods.





PS an STi 5 would kick anS2000,s *** hole.
teheheheh

(Flame suit activated and force field in place)

Amuse Boy

No probs dij - I'm glad you've come to your senses.

Yeah you're right, titanium exhaust weighing 5.5kg whereas the stock system weighs around 24kg+. Mugen carbon fibre intake. Cusco underbody braces too.

As for kicking an S2000's ahole with the ver5...we'll never know. Right now I'm just holding out from racing him in his latest contraption - too scared he'll blow the motor whilst trying to race a real car! He blew the first motor trying to race a TT

A few more mods are on the way too... Mugen or Toda manifold and a remapped ECU (Amuse or Mugen)...

Midmotorsteve

if the 2 was to go i'd have an s2000 or rx7, 4wd? wheres the fun in that? Hi-LUX, DISCOVERY, FIAT PANDA...

Abdabz

S2000 is a great car - Friend of mine has one and it goes like the clappers in a straight line, goes like the clappers on the "twisties", screams like a bitch over 7krpm, looks the dogs doodles and is an all round good car.

I have however suggested my friend purchases a grey beard to wear when driving it as he seems to 30 yrs too young to be driving one .
More importantly, I also believe the rear seat and boot space in my scoob to be more useful than his. He however finds my convertable roof somewhat cumbersome as I require a chainsaw and protective facemask in order to tan my swede whilst driving - and an evostick airfix kit to put it back on when it rains - taking a tad more than his 7 seconds up 'n' down.

It was at this point we agreed our cars were not comparable and agreed upon mutual respect for our different requirements with nai on equal all round performance.

Pabs

dij

A few more mods are on the way too... Mugen or Toda manifold and a remapped ECU (Amuse or Mugen)...[/QUOTE]
Youll need more than that to take on a reasonably good driver in an sti,even if you have been driving your car for the last few years.

BTW,do you polish the underside of the car?it looks so clean.it almost looks like you never drive it.

Perhaps you should take it out in the wet one day and try going against a standard uk wagon.You may find yourself unpleasantly Amused.

RichB

S2000s are great, mine is even on its way back to the dealer on an AA flat bed with fcuked immobiliser

Bag of shyte.....

Dark Blue Mark

And I thought Italian stuff was crap, Rich

MB

mynickers

The motoring hacks seem to love the revised s2000, Evo rate it more than the Beemer Z4 and some even go so far as saying it kicks the Boxster S, but that's all reletive to your own prejudices and likes I suppose.

I think all Honda's rock, and if I had that sort of money and was in the market for a practical but focused 2 seater sports car, I can't think of much else...

RichB

Apparently it was the immobiliser, one of the feeds was taken from the wrong place and too much voltage went down it causing the connections at the board to fail.
Should all be back together before the w/e.

Dark Blue Mark

That would be the fault of Sigma then, rather than Honda?!

Must visit soon.

MB

Gallardo

Thanks Sideshowbob, exactly the infromation I was after, took a while but at least someone posted what I needed to know.... Looks as if it's going to be a 330 Convertible instead, need a soft top which can cruise long distance...

J4CK50N

Well I'm sold on an S2000 now, just need to find one. The Scooby Type R just doesnt get enough proper use to warrant having it!!!

Cheers Guys

J4CK50N