Paul N P

This sounds like excellent advice to me. I wish now I done this in the first place.

I now need to change the purpose of this post and ask for references for a good lawyer who specialises in this sort thing? HELP PLEASE

I've spend a packet already, might as well spend a packet more with someone that might be able to do some good here.

I'm still not sure where the value add is with my current brief, other than ask for adjournments every 2-3 weeks and charge me for the privilege.

Cheers

Paul

hedgehog

I have no connections with and no direct experience of either of the below but they are getting the name for being the people to talk to.

One thing I note in your post is what the police said to you. Some of the video recording gear also records audio. Most police traffic cars have video gear so if you can get the WHOLE video an audio recording of the conversation might just be on there. Again just asking for it might be enough to make the CPS withdraw the charges if they know what is on it!

This chap is about the most famous motoring solicitor, even if you end up making a plea for mitigation he might be your man:

John Josephs
Turner Coulston
15 Station Road
KETTERING
Northants
NN15 7HH

Tel (01536) 523 434
Fax: (01536) 310 138
http://www.tclaw.co.uk/


Also getting a good name is:

Robert Dobson
Pryce Woodrow
26 The Broadway
CHEAM
Surrey
SM3 8AY
Tel (020) 8661 1423
info@prycewoodrow.co.uk
http://www.prycewoodrow.co.uk/

Paul N P

Hedgehog,

Cheers buddy

Paul

J S W

Got no sympathy Paul at all, kn0bheads like you driving at that sort of speed are a danger to others and IMO you shouldn't be on the road at all. Hope they clobber you with a long ban then maybe you will learn your lesson.

Paul N P

I was waiting for some mature feedback like that.

Within my post I have never once claimed this offence was either big or clever. In fact I'm pretty damn sure I have and will continue to learn my lesson, due to my experiences over the last 9 months, & I still haven't even been to court and been served my penalty yet.

If you need to let some steam off J S W, then go and kick the dog, hit the missus or whatever you normally do on a Saturday night. Personally I don't care as long as you keep your nose out of what has been a thoroughly constructive thread up to about 30 minutes ago!

Take the hint buddy f**K off

hedgehog

The post by JSW actually raises a few interesting points which it might be worthwhile to consider in parallel with the discussion of Paul's defence.

The implication in the post made by JSW is that going fast is dangerous. This is a fairly intuitative reaction which is totally unsupported by the facts. In the UK the motorways are, without question, the "fastest" roads and yet on a per mile basis they have the lowest accident and fatality figures. In truth under certain circumstances going faster may actually be safer.

When the US state of Montana had, for a period, no speed limits outside of towns the greens and other cycle riding loonies predicted there would be bodies scattered across the state as many people drove flat out across the state. People with "fast" cars went there just to drive fast. In fact accident and fatality figures decreased. The Greens and PC groups were most disappointed that more people didn't die, nothing annoys these people more than finding that we may not actually be doomed at all.

We also find that Paul, an man who it is alleged exceeded 120mph in the UK, is still alive and well and didn't have an accident. The greens and PC groups would be most disappointed with you Paul.

Clearly the act of going fast, in itself, does not cause accidents. What causes accidents is bad driving and poor observation. About 97% of accidents occur within the speed limits and of those occuring in excess of the speed limit at least 40% involve other factors such as a stolen vehicle.

With 97% of accidents occuring within the speed limit and with almost every motorist admitting to exceeding speed limits, especially on the motorway, on a regular basis a valid statistical case could be made that driving within the limit is more dangerous then exceeding the limit.

Things are not always what they seem but hopefully that clears up a few points for JSW: driving safely, sensibly and skillfully is much more important than driving slowly when it comes to safety. Driving slowly can actually be more dangerous.

J S W

Only saying what I always do on these threads, we have speed limits for our own and other peoples safety. When you do that sort of speed you obviously feel above the law or hold no regard for it. I am sick and tired of living my life within the law and having to put up with the consequences of those that dont.

So on these occasions that people like you fall short of the law I get a hell of a lot of pleasure laughing and mimicking at your impending ban.

I however will look forward to driving to work or the supermarket or the coast or wherever, when you are banned. As I can do that as I drive (within reason) of the law.

Be sure to let us know how long you are banned for as I shall enjoy every day of it knowing one less tw@t is on the road.

James

P.s I ain't good at taking hints.

tiggers

Hurrah, the Scoobynet holier than thou brigade have arrived.

Cider boy

Why post something like that??

I'm sure that's really going to help his situtaion

What strikes me about Pauls post is that at no point has he tried to justify his speed, and that it is the constant delaying of hearings that is affecting his life. It's not on for the police / cps to drag this on for so long

However, to say what you did is utter tosh. How many people on this board take there cars over 100 mph on quiet & open stretches of road?? I bet it's quite high.

To come onto a forum for high performance cars and slate people for speeding... :

Before I get flamed, I have 0 points for speeding and never have done, I stick to all 30's, 40's & 50's like glue, but to say I never go over the 60 /70 limit would be rubbish..

Matt

J S W

Some very good points raised and I agree with many including the argument to raise the national speed limit, however as long as the law says 70mph on the motorway I believe we should abide by that.

A good experienced driver you may be able to handle speeds and the reactions caused when driving at the best part of 130 mph, the problem is other roads users may not.

I for one feel un easy at the thought of people driving past or behind me at 130mph and am very glad when these people are not allowed to drive freely.

James

J S W

I can understand speeds of 90 - 95 in good weather conditions on quiet roads, if you speak to many police officers they will not stop you for doing this speed, 128 is plain stupid and I am quite happy to stand up and point that out.

If people don't like it then fine but I shall enjoy driving well people like paul get on the bus

DevilHimSelf

Slightly of topic, but Puff how come your posts stay at 10,190 posts?

have u been playing with your counter?

J S W

Just as a add on, you mention that your wife has a back problem and you will use this as part of your defense.

Q Were you thinking of her and how driving at that speed could effect HER life?


A Obviously Not


Don't you think it is a bit half a$$ to use her now as it obviously didn't bother you at the time?

James

tiggers

<yoda>A troll here we have me thinks</yoda>

Cider boy

Try this hint......

: : :

J S W

not really just someone who doesn't think speeds a best part of 130mph are acceptable.

I will say again, if you do these speeds

ENJOY THE BAN THAT FOLLOWS

Spoon

JSW- You are a complete arsé but I suspect you know that, and I guess social misfits are allowed computer access at home nowadays to spout their drivel.

Why don't you Fúck off back to your knicker sniffers forum if speeding offends you?

J S W

I would but unfortunately I get far too much pleasure beeing holier than thou.


James

CKY2K

I thought the top speed caught on UK roads was Nigata San from Top Secret when he bought his Supra over and got pulled for doing 196MPH on the A1 M.

Cracking video see link (3rd video)

http://www.exvitermini.com/mnagata.htm

Tiggs

jsw is only responding to attacks from you lot. if you let him have his say that would have been that...and you should let him have his say- he has to use the road too and so is entitled to give his opinion.

NO ONE can expect to post on a public board that they did such a stupid thing and expect to get away with nothing but hugs and kisses from fellow members.

T

personally i'd want to see anyone doing 128 get banned so im with JSW on his concept if not his presenation of it.

Tiggs

"3 witnesses in car to confirm most of the above "

just out of interest.....did none of your "witnesses" alert you to your speed? im pretty sure if i was in car doing 128 i'd point out to the driver to stop being an idiot....why didnt your 3?

Sith

Personally, on a quiet motor way I see nothing wrong with 128 mph. If it wasn't for the law I would quite happily cruise at 135 plus.

It would get me to MK in about 35mins.

The higher the speed the bigger my rush. I love speed and acceleration. Almost on par with plain sex. Far better than ****, drugs and alcohol to me.

Jerome

I imagine there are a few Germans that would disagree with you.

Anyone got the statistics for accident rates on unrestricted autobahns? I would guess they are better than the figures for UK motorways.

I remember reading about a German Porsche owner complaining the windscreen wipers of his 928 stopped being effective at 160mph...


A good mate of mine was driving me on an empty motorway at an indicated 145mph. I didn't feel the need to speak up because the conditions at the time were conducive to that speed and he is a very good driver. As soon as we came upon other traffic he knocked about 60mph off his speed. I've often been nervous being driven by people well within the speed limit though...

J S W

Thank you tiggs, I agree that my presentation is poor but within that as you have highlighted I feel there is a very valid point.

I would still like paul or people who have defended his actions to answer my previous question

[/QUOTE]


Just as a add on, you mention that your wife has a back problem and you will use this as part of your defense.

Q Were you thinking of her and how driving at that speed could effect HER life?


A Obviously Not


Don't you think it is a bit half a$$ to use her now as it obviously didn't bother you at the time?

[/QUOTE]

He mentions he is happy to take his punishment but then his uses his wife's illness/unfortunate problem to try and get out of his stupid mistakes.


PLEASE ANSWER THIS AS I EXPECTANTLY AWAIT YOUR REPLIES

James

Spoon

Yes, and 1 British driver did too, me!!!

Blóódy things would lift as soon as 155mph was indicated therefore just skimming the screen.

hedgehog

As I pointed out in a previous post speed is not related to accident frequency and, in truth, the faster you go the safer you may be. Perhaps this unexpected result may be due to those driving at high speed paying more attention and being more aware of the possibility of danger. The accident rates for the unrestricted parts of the Autobahn, as suggested above, are almost exactly the same as for UK motorways despite a wide variation of speeds (i.e. slow trucks and fast performance cars) all using the same bit of road. As I also pointed out when average and maximum speeds increased in Montana accidents fell.

So, Paul may have been travelling at the speed that he felt was safest and best for the passengers in his car. We must remember that he was in control of his speed and made a logical decision and the fact that he didn't have an accident supports his decision making process.

Where high speed can become a problem is where the driver loses control of his speed. This is why emergency service drivers and police drivers are trained to drive at high speed as they have, in effect, no control or part in the decision making process that leads to a requirement to drive at high speed.

In the UK courts would often take this into account when sentencing, so a civilian driver who claimed in his "defence" for speeding that he was taking his wife to hospital as she was very ill would almost certainly get hit harder because the court would consider that he had lost control of the decision to exceed the speed limit and so may have been driving dangerously and without consideration for the conditions. As with many aspects of the actual truth about speeding this may seem counter intuitive but is based upon good reasoning.

I would, therefore, assert that there is a requirement for us to get away from the emotional arguments in the speeding debate, the so called "dead baby story," and look at the factual arguments. Driving at 128mph based upon a logical examination of the conditions and facts may be safer than driving at any other speed at that given time. That those people who were "done" for various high profile "excessive" speeds totally failed to have accidents supports this.

You should note that the number of people killed in the UK each year at a speed in excess of the posted speed limit is, on average, just about the same number as are killed in accidents while putting on their trousers. So James, I will ask you: are you thinking of your wife/kids/mates when you allow them to put on their own trousers unsupervised? About 4000 people each year die in accidents in their own homes (about 3500 die on the roads) so are you sure it is safe to leave your wife in the house when she could be out in the car?

The current anti-speed propaganda is designed merely to cloud the minds of people like James with emotional arguments that are not based upon the facts in the real world. Speed does not kill. Please do not fall for the propaganda, no matter how many times the government repeat it be assured it isn't true. Also be assured that they are going to be using it as an excuse to limit your personal mobility. Soon your car will have satellite tracking to control your speed and movements, a chip in the numberplate and you will be nothing but a passenger. Anyone on a Subaru forum who supports this is clearly not driving a Subaru.

Brun

I would expect a ban for 128 particularly because of the previous 5 points. 128mph is asking for it - end of.Am i a good boy? - No. Best i've managed was 137 not on a private road. I took my choice at the time and got away with it. Just yesterday i was doing 120 on the motorway and got away with it. If i got caught then i'm sure i'd be asking the same questions as Paul N P. The take your choice and pay the price.
Good luck Paul. Regardless of the result, i'm sure you won't repeat the 128

Paul N P

Lesson has very much been learn't & I won't be doing this sort of speed again, not that I did this sort of thing as a day to day thing anyway.

I did this speed for much less than a minute, on a clear downhill stretch of the M4 with absolutely no traffic in front of me and got caught doing it.

Sh*t happens really, I am prepared to take my penalty but not abuse from from people with nothing better to do than laugh at the misfortunes of others.

Nathan L

Paul

Check your PM inbox

Edcase

I hate cvnts like you James. People who stick their nose in where it isn't wanted without knowing the facts and turn a constructive thread asking for help into a free-for-all.

I was one of the passengers in the car, it was late at night and there was almost no traffic whatsover on the roads. Wherever there was traffic, Paul was slowing down in case anyone pulls out etc.

I should also point out a set of 330 mm 6pots on the car along with better suspension and hundreds of miles on track. Modern speed limits do not reflect modern cars and modern drivers.

I have sat alongside paul at an indicated 160mph for hours on end on the autobahns to the german rally / nurburgring and the like, and it feels like 80mph in most cars. Thats 335bhp for you.

For the conditions, car, time of day and volume of traffic the speed he was doing was perfectly acceptable IMHO. He was unlucky to get caught on a clear open stretch where the car stretches its legs almost without you realising it. He certainly isnt a dangerous driver or a flagrant law breaker.

Now do us all a favour and go and bake some cakes or something.