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19 July 2004, 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Megaz
There are many things mentioned in the Quran (which is over 1400 years old), which scientists have only recently discovered and have converted to Islam. Don't ask for examples, just do a ISLAM AND SCIENCE search in google
Considering that the Greeks and Egytpians had shown they knew alot about the world long before Islam came into existence, a few very poorly illustrated points in the Quran hardly counts proving much of anything to be honest.
I don't remember much in there about quantum theory or zero point energy for example
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19 July 2004, 02:50 PM
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'However, as stated before, proof is still not an absolute, it is just that the more times an experiment is performed to confirm a hypothesis and the same result is acheived, the more confident we are. You can never be absolutely sure, but you can be pretty damn close, that is when something becomes "scientific fact". It is still subject to change, but our confidence is sufficiently high that it is correct that we can use it as a stepping stone towards better understanding.'
Can u explain this statement as it seems to be in Stephen Hawkins language?
Can u explain this statement as it seems to be in Stephen Hawkins language?
19 July 2004, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
Example. "The world is flat"
"I tell you what, I went out on my boat and it f$cking ent flat ya know".
"I tell you what, I went out on my boat and it f$cking ent flat ya know".
The Earth is, as far as we can accertain, at this time, roughly sperical. It may come to pass, in the future, that our understanding of matter, space and shapes is fundamentally flawed and the world is not actually sperical.
Science is self correcting, we have a degree of confidence based on the proposal of a hypothesis which can be tested in a repeatable manner, hence why we now belive the world to be sperical and not flat. I would even go so far as to say it is scientific fact, but it is not an absolute certaintly.
This is the problem. A lot of people get sucked in by a single example of a paranormal event or such like, they see an effect in a single experiment that proports to be scientific, and because of this people belive it. This is why the Creationists claim what they belive to be a "science" as they think it gives it credibility and more people will belive. Science is a powerful thing, but those who have a poor understanding of it can soon be easily convinced of things that are not true. Just look at all the excitement by the media over the cold fusion fiasco a couple of years back
19 July 2004, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Prince Popeye
Can u explain this statement as it seems to be in Stephen Hawkins language?
If you are serious I am happy to explain
19 July 2004, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
And your point is??? I am just guessing here that you don't come from a science background.
The Earth is, as far as we can accertain, at this time, roughly sperical. It may come to pass, in the future, that our understanding of matter, space and shapes is fundamentally flawed and the world is not actually sperical.
Science is self correcting, we have a degree of confidence based on the proposal of a hypothesis which can be tested in a repeatable manner, hence why we now belive the world to be sperical and not flat. I would even go so far as to say it is scientific fact, but it is not an absolute certaintly.
This is the problem. A lot of people get sucked in by a single example of a paranormal event or such like, they see an effect in a single experiment that proports to be scientific, and because of this people belive it. This is why the Creationists claim what they belive to be a "science" as they think it gives it credibility and more people will belive. Science is a powerful thing, but those who have a poor understanding of it can soon be easily convinced of things that are not true. Just look at all the excitement by the media over the cold fusion fiasco a couple of years back
The Earth is, as far as we can accertain, at this time, roughly sperical. It may come to pass, in the future, that our understanding of matter, space and shapes is fundamentally flawed and the world is not actually sperical.
Science is self correcting, we have a degree of confidence based on the proposal of a hypothesis which can be tested in a repeatable manner, hence why we now belive the world to be sperical and not flat. I would even go so far as to say it is scientific fact, but it is not an absolute certaintly.
This is the problem. A lot of people get sucked in by a single example of a paranormal event or such like, they see an effect in a single experiment that proports to be scientific, and because of this people belive it. This is why the Creationists claim what they belive to be a "science" as they think it gives it credibility and more people will belive. Science is a powerful thing, but those who have a poor understanding of it can soon be easily convinced of things that are not true. Just look at all the excitement by the media over the cold fusion fiasco a couple of years back
In time, science will answer questions correctly that "religion" believes it has already answered.
Have you read the bible?? Its classic.
Get Ricky Gervais stand up show "Animals" that pretty much sums it up. Classic.
The more we grow, the more we learn - that is all I'm saying.
19 July 2004, 03:08 PM
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Wow. Your intelligent and superior argument has really got me rattled. I'm glad you've put your education to such good use... I don't think it's possible to refute the undeniable proof you have contributed to this discussion. 
Keep your head buried in the sand if you want to.
Or alternatively, read this, fool -http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles...anis_in_uk.htm
Keep your head buried in the sand if you want to.
Or alternatively, read this, fool -http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles...anis_in_uk.htm
19 July 2004, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
But the less some people want to listen...
Yes, agreed. Thats their problem though.
If they wanna live in biblical times, shooting guns in the sky and burning flags let them. Bunch of peasants.
19 July 2004, 03:26 PM
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just wanted to say that the jewish religion has no concept of hell and thus there is no teaching of non believers going to hell anywhere - thats just people spouting cr4p as ever in these religious threads.
19 July 2004, 03:27 PM
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There has been loads of religious/moral/race related threads of late. It doesn't matter who you are but they always incite argument.
Maybe such topics should be aired elsewhere. Its turning into bitch-net.
Maybe such topics should be aired elsewhere. Its turning into bitch-net.
19 July 2004, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
I'm saying, in simple terms that the more times go on the more we learn. Some things are not hypothesis based in the slightest as we stumble across things that contradict our beliefs and/or hypotheses.
In time, science will answer questions correctly that "religion" believes it has already answered.
Have you read the bible?? Its classic.
19 July 2004, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
Not quite sure what you are getting at, the foundation of any proof is a hypothesis, it is that which we seek to prove. So yes everything will have an underlying hypothesis and there either will or won't be enough evidence to support whether that hypothesis is true or not.
Religion has answered the questions. They have provided a hypothesis, they just haven't been able to provide any evidence to support the hypothesis, which would suggest to me that their answers are actually incorrect.
Yes times many, if you are going to "attack" something it is worth finding out what you are taking on first!! Have a read of http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/ sometime
Religion has answered the questions. They have provided a hypothesis, they just haven't been able to provide any evidence to support the hypothesis, which would suggest to me that their answers are actually incorrect.
Yes times many, if you are going to "attack" something it is worth finding out what you are taking on first!! Have a read of http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/ sometime
Not all findings are based on hypothesis at all. Sometimes we "discover something" that we were not looking for. Some of the worlds best secrets were just stumbled across.
Religion has provided an answer - its ****e though.
I am not attacking the bible - I'm making light of things in there that in years to come, as our knowledge grows will be ridiculed. It will be in a museum and people will read it and say laughingly "wow, these dudes thought a talking snake f$cked it all up" ?? lol
Its a book of morals, but its content on a factual level is again utter ****e.
. Wtf is with all this hypothesis claptrap? Do you think you are newton?
20 July 2004, 09:04 AM
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This thread was not about whether religion is a good or bad thing. the basic teachings of the Islamic religions or any other religion, ie Jewish and Christian faiths are that people should lead good lives and help others. Terrorism and wars are caused by people who often use religion to their own ends. This is no reason to blame the religion concerned.
A person's faith should have no connection with their right to live in any country. Blame the person concerned if he is of poor character, not his religion.
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A person's faith should have no connection with their right to live in any country. Blame the person concerned if he is of poor character, not his religion.
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20 July 2004, 09:09 AM
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So why am i reading about people being paid £10,000 to convert people to Islam in the UK?
Why can't *they* be so open-minded about it?
Ideals are all very well, the reality is often far less palatable...
Why can't *they* be so open-minded about it?
Ideals are all very well, the reality is often far less palatable...
20 July 2004, 11:37 AM
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Was in the tabloids yesterday. Of course, it's speculation - this isn't the sort of thing that would ever be provable, but apparently followers of Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed are targetting Hindu girls as they are "soft" targets....
20 July 2004, 11:49 AM
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...and there are american "charities" spending tens of millions of dollars with their talking bibles, trying to convert various african peoples to Christianity.
Getting back to the original subject, what does it matter what religion someone wishes to follow? So long as they are tolerant of other religions and indeed of non-believers, nobody gets hurt. Everyone should have the freedom to believe in what they wish. However fanatics of all shapes and sizes, those who believe eveyone else should believe what they believe, they are dangerous and cause resentment and friction.
Getting back to the original subject, what does it matter what religion someone wishes to follow? So long as they are tolerant of other religions and indeed of non-believers, nobody gets hurt. Everyone should have the freedom to believe in what they wish. However fanatics of all shapes and sizes, those who believe eveyone else should believe what they believe, they are dangerous and cause resentment and friction.
20 July 2004, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by moses
lol as long as u except jesus is the messiah and not God and not a begotton son, begetting is a sexual act and how can we attribute that to God 
, its like a swear word to him, jesus was his creation and a servant and the messiah like mohammad peace be upon them both and others.
eli = God
alaha= God in aramiac, jesus language
u seen the passion of christ, aramaic, he sais alahi allah
and in arabic its Allah, thats his name.
many christians and jews going to heaven mate, its in the quran and even the christian king who gave asylum to the muslims when the arabs were after their blood, king anajashi negus of ethopia he will go to heaven and others like him.
original jews are called muslims in the quran and same as the christians of jesus time.
their was no such thing as christians in the time of jesus, coz he was not called the christ but the mashi in hebrew and easu or yeshua , jesus and christ is latinized and jesus didnt speak the language.
i need to go davy, u know me i get passionate and will get banned
, its like a swear word to him, jesus was his creation and a servant and the messiah like mohammad peace be upon them both and others.eli = God
alaha= God in aramiac, jesus language
u seen the passion of christ, aramaic, he sais alahi allah
and in arabic its Allah, thats his name.
many christians and jews going to heaven mate, its in the quran and even the christian king who gave asylum to the muslims when the arabs were after their blood, king anajashi negus of ethopia he will go to heaven and others like him.
original jews are called muslims in the quran and same as the christians of jesus time.
their was no such thing as christians in the time of jesus, coz he was not called the christ but the mashi in hebrew and easu or yeshua , jesus and christ is latinized and jesus didnt speak the language.
i need to go davy, u know me i get passionate and will get banned
The bible is a book written by story tellers, if the bible was infact a true depiction of history then why do dinosouars not appear in it, we have evidence that dinosours ruled the planet a few years ago, we have evidence that cavemen existed, but going by the bible and religeous teachings god made Adam in his own image, if this is true then why have we dug up human skeletons with face that look like monkeys??? or does god actually look like a monkey ?????
I was brought up catholic and have been Christened and Confirmed I was an Alter boy in our local church for 10 years, I am not aethiest but do not believe there is a god or a messiah or a saviour, religion was, is and always will be the cause of wars and violence, in teh past it was christianity to blame but now it is the Muslim and the Isalmic religion doing all the killing in the name of religion, it is a fact of life and no matter how much you object the majority of violence and terrorism is being caried out at the moment by muslims in the name of Islam. Who knows in a few years time this will change again and the Hindus will become the fanatical religion or maybe the budhists.
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20 July 2004, 12:28 PM
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That is a shocking view in a so called democratic society!!!
We are not as tolerent as we might think.....
Again western propeganda has created this bull$hit that islam is the root of all evil...
Nonsense....
We are not as tolerent as we might think.....
Again western propeganda has created this bull$hit that islam is the root of all evil...
Nonsense....
20 July 2004, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
Religion isn't the problem IMO. It's the fanatics that have nothing else in their life that are the problem.
Agreed, these stupid ***** should get a regular job and live a feckin normal life and stop spoiling it for the rest of us.....
20 July 2004, 01:06 PM
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England was a Catholic country before it became Protestant. So why shouldn't it still be Catholic? Fits in with your argument Senior AP! Should not bother you anyway since you don't believe in religion.
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20 July 2004, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
England was a Catholic country before it became Protestant. So why shouldn't it still be Catholic? Fits in with your argument!
Either is acceptable.
It's Asian religion being shoved down our throats in a Northern hemisphere, European country that royally p!sses me off.
Have their beliefs fine. But don't moan about England Chav flags on cars, a poster of a woman in a bikini on a poster cos it "offends you and your people" etc etc
If you don't like it, f$ck off back to where your beliefs are the countries beliefs.
Rant over.
20 July 2004, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
England was a Catholic country before it became Protestant. So why shouldn't it still be Catholic? Fits in with your argument Senior AP! Should not bother you anyway since you don't believe in religion.
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The protestant religion is a slight deviation from Catholic derived from a Catholic man seeking a divorce.
20 July 2004, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Weaver
There is no god, or jesus, or allah, or any of the other fairy tale stuff, everyone should wake up when it comes to religion
This sounds really odd but bare with me.....
Imagine if Aliens landed on Earth tomorrow and proved most religions to be utter sh!te by there mere presence. All the people that believe so strongly in their religion suddenly getting a reality check that there beliefs are all bollox.
The world would be one big riot/war/carnage zone.
20 July 2004, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
This sounds really odd but bare with me.....
Imagine if Aliens landed on Earth tomorrow and proved most religions to be utter sh!te by there mere presence. All the people that believe so strongly in their religion suddenly getting a reality check that there beliefs are all bollox.
The world would be one big riot/war/carnage zone.
Imagine if Aliens landed on Earth tomorrow and proved most religions to be utter sh!te by there mere presence. All the people that believe so strongly in their religion suddenly getting a reality check that there beliefs are all bollox.
The world would be one big riot/war/carnage zone.
