The Scottish B&B that turfed out the two gay people...?
20 July 2004, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris L
UK law accounts for discrimination on it's own - it's not just European law. It maybe his house, but he is also running a business. More fool him for losing the money.
20 July 2004, 02:18 PM
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So you honestly believe its right that he can be refuse this on the grounds of something they might do? That is a pure and simple prejudice. I doubt anyone else would have known or even cared when they stayed there. Would you not use a particular hotel or shop because (shock horror) they served gay people in the past? Of course you wouldn't.
20 July 2004, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by The Guv'nor
You're kidding me right??????
Does that mean Shaun can't kick people off here if he doesn't like what people say or do? I think not.
Same as the sweet shop that won't let more than 2 kids in at once.
Besides, he didn't kick them out he offered them individual rooms. Sounds like good business acumen to me, twice the rent!!
T.G.
Does that mean Shaun can't kick people off here if he doesn't like what people say or do? I think not.
Same as the sweet shop that won't let more than 2 kids in at once.
Besides, he didn't kick them out he offered them individual rooms. Sounds like good business acumen to me, twice the rent!!
T.G.
20 July 2004, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris L
Well no they don't. They have a reasonable right to refuse entry, but they can't deny on the grounds of sexuality, race etc. Your rights under the law do not allow for that.
At this rate we might as well take up aparthide, segregate the schools and start burning people at the stake again.
At this rate we might as well take up aparthide, segregate the schools and start burning people at the stake again.
You said "They have a reasonable right to refuse entry"
Quality.
20 July 2004, 02:21 PM
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so if you turned up one day at tesco's, and the store manager met you at the entrance to the store and explained that he did not want to let you in, because he feels that having an educationally subnormal person in his store would offend other customers, you would be ok with that?
after all - he runs the store, he can choose who he lets in.
after all - he runs the store, he can choose who he lets in.
20 July 2004, 02:23 PM
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Ah, between a rock and a hard place. Yes it is his house and so he can refuse entry to anyone, however, in todays world, you can't be seen to discriminate against anyone or anything, if you do, you're branded, simple as that.
Personally, if I was in his position, I'd not have a problem with it. We're all adults and should know how to behave properly in front of others, and if they did not, then I'd have a word about improper behaviour, but what they get up to in their room, that's up to them. I think a group of lads/girls staying in a B&B and going out on the pish would cause more trouble than a gay couple.
Of course, if it was two gay women, I doubt the guy would have said anything, as long as he was allowed to watch or join in lol
Personally, if I was in his position, I'd not have a problem with it. We're all adults and should know how to behave properly in front of others, and if they did not, then I'd have a word about improper behaviour, but what they get up to in their room, that's up to them. I think a group of lads/girls staying in a B&B and going out on the pish would cause more trouble than a gay couple.
Of course, if it was two gay women, I doubt the guy would have said anything, as long as he was allowed to watch or join in
lol
20 July 2004, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris L
And at somepoint, we might lift the discussion out of the school yard double-entendres 
We can't have a bit of a laugh along the way. Stops things getting unnecessarily heated. As a moderator I would have hoped you would understand this.
People can get silly and over the top with aggression, so keep it light hearted and sensible.
20 July 2004, 02:25 PM
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Chris,
So you honestly believe its right that he can be refuse this on the grounds of something they might do?
nope, he can refuse entry for whatever reason he likes, be it they smelt bad, didnt brush their teeth today whatever reason.
I believe he retains the right to do so as he sees fit.
your right, the two gentlemen were probably very embarressed and wanted to leave without fuss.
He has since been stripped of his accreditation BTW.
So you honestly believe its right that he can be refuse this on the grounds of something they might do?
nope, he can refuse entry for whatever reason he likes, be it they smelt bad, didnt brush their teeth today whatever reason.
I believe he retains the right to do so as he sees fit.
your right, the two gentlemen were probably very embarressed and wanted to leave without fuss.
He has since been stripped of his accreditation BTW.
20 July 2004, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Markus
Ah, between a rock and a hard place. Yes it is his house and so he can refuse entry to anyone, however, in todays world, you can't be seen to discriminate against anyone or anything, if you do, you're branded, simple as that.
Personally, if I was in his position, I'd not have a problem with it. We're all adults and should know how to behave properly in front of others, and if they did not, then I'd have a word about improper behaviour, but what they get up to in their room, that's up to them. I think a group of lads/girls staying in a B&B and going out on the pish would cause more trouble than a gay couple.
Of course, if it was two gay women, I doubt the guy would have said anything, as long as he was allowed to watch or join in lol
Personally, if I was in his position, I'd not have a problem with it. We're all adults and should know how to behave properly in front of others, and if they did not, then I'd have a word about improper behaviour, but what they get up to in their room, that's up to them. I think a group of lads/girls staying in a B&B and going out on the pish would cause more trouble than a gay couple.
Of course, if it was two gay women, I doubt the guy would have said anything, as long as he was allowed to watch or join in
lolAgain, his choice entirely and respect to him for ignoring the fact he'll get branded and having the ***** to say what he honestly thinks.
Too many people hide these days due to the horrible invention of PC.
20 July 2004, 02:27 PM
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Proper Charlie,
of course, its his right
nobody is saying the reasoning is right or wrong (well Im not), its whether he has the right to admit whoever HE wants
of course, its his right
nobody is saying the reasoning is right or wrong (well Im not), its whether he has the right to admit whoever HE wants
20 July 2004, 02:29 PM
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Peanuts - that's where we disagree. 
the european court of human rights does not support people refusing to offer their services to people on the basis of random prejudices.
the european court of human rights does not support people refusing to offer their services to people on the basis of random prejudices.
20 July 2004, 02:30 PM
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Very true - most gay people - men or women tend to be fairly discrete because of the prejudice that exists in most areas of modern life. This bloke taking the supposed moral high ground on one aspect of their lifestyle is crazy.
20 July 2004, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris L
Very true - most gay people - men or women tend to be fairly discrete because of the prejudice that exists in most areas of modern life. This bloke taking the supposed moral high ground on one aspect of their lifestyle is crazy.
But it's still his choice....
It's his home, a small, family run establishment. NOT the Travel Lodge in Watford.
20 July 2004, 02:34 PM
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Doesn't matter - he was happy to have Scottish Tourist Board Accredition when it helped his business, therefore he should be happy to abide by their rules
20 July 2004, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris L
Doesn't matter - he was happy to have Scottish Tourist Board Accredition when it helped his business, therefore he should be happy to abide by their rules
....and he chose not to, he knew the consequences and he made the choice.
Its pure and simple. It.....is....his....house.
20 July 2004, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Markus
Ah, between a rock and a hard place. Yes it is his house and so he can refuse entry to anyone, however, in todays world, you can't be seen to discriminate against anyone or anything, if you do, you're branded, simple as that.
The rules are pretty simple. In your personal life you can hold any beliefs you like, but when dealing with the public you cannot unfairly discriminate.
20 July 2004, 02:39 PM
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What does he honestly think they going to do - come down and pervert his kids in the middle of the night? Nick the family silver? The question is not so much was he right to refuse them a room, but why he thought it nesscessary to do so?
Sorry I cannot get my head around this irrational fear of gay people that so many people seem to have. It's not a disease, you can't catch it.
Sorry I cannot get my head around this irrational fear of gay people that so many people seem to have. It's not a disease, you can't catch it.
20 July 2004, 02:41 PM
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European Article of Human Rights:
saying "it's his house" again isn't going to make any difference to that.
Article 14 – Prohibition of discrimination
The enjoyment of the rights and freedoms set forth in this Convention
shall be secured without discrimination on any ground such as sex, race,
colour, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social
origin, association with a national minority, property, birth or other status.
The enjoyment of the rights and freedoms set forth in this Convention
shall be secured without discrimination on any ground such as sex, race,
colour, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social
origin, association with a national minority, property, birth or other status.
20 July 2004, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris L
What does he honestly think they going to do - come down and pervert his kids in the middle of the night? Nick the family silver? The question is not so much was he right to refuse them a room, but why he thought it nesscessary to do so?
Sorry I cannot get my head around this irrational fear of gay people that so many people seem to have. It's not a disease, you can't catch it.
Sorry I cannot get my head around this irrational fear of gay people that so many people seem to have. It's not a disease, you can't catch it.
I am merely backing someone up and his rights of entry to his home.
20 July 2004, 02:43 PM
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I listened to the owner of the B+B interviewed on Jeremy Vine, Radio 2 along with one of the guys who tried to make the booking.
They were not refused accomodation. They were refused a room with a double bed but could have had two singles. Seems reasonable enough to me.
It also seemed from the interview that some gay rights group had set the thing up and targeted the B+B.
Now if people want to be homosexuals that is their business and they should respect the conventional feelings of others. As already said, this P.C. crap has gone too far and not just relating to rights for gays but in far broader terms. Look at the social malaise we now face.
They were not refused accomodation. They were refused a room with a double bed but could have had two singles. Seems reasonable enough to me.
It also seemed from the interview that some gay rights group had set the thing up and targeted the B+B.
Now if people want to be homosexuals that is their business and they should respect the conventional feelings of others. As already said, this P.C. crap has gone too far and not just relating to rights for gays but in far broader terms. Look at the social malaise we now face.
20 July 2004, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ProperCharlie
European Article of Human Rights:
saying "it's his house" again isn't going to make any difference to that.
saying "it's his house" again isn't going to make any difference to that.
Oh, so because **someone** has written it down automatically makes it correct does it.
20 July 2004, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
Have I an irrational fear of gay people??? You assume yes it seems....assume away but you are quite wrong.
I am merely backing someone up and his rights of entry to his home.
I am merely backing someone up and his rights of entry to his home.
He was not refusing entry to his home which he would be entitled to do for any reason.
HE WAS REFUSING ENTRY TO HIS PLACE OF BUSINESS
20 July 2004, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by harvey
I listened to the owner of the B+B interviewed on Jeremy Vine, Radio 2 along with one of the guys who tried to make the booking.
They were not refused accomodation. They were refused a room with a double bed but could have had two singles. Seems reasonable enough to me.
It also seemed from the interview that some gay rights group had set the thing up and targeted the B+B.
Now if people want to be homosexuals that is their business and they should respect the conventional feelings of others. As already said, this P.C. crap has gone too far and not just relating to rights for gays but in far broader terms. Look at the social malaise we now face.
They were not refused accomodation. They were refused a room with a double bed but could have had two singles. Seems reasonable enough to me.
It also seemed from the interview that some gay rights group had set the thing up and targeted the B+B.
Now if people want to be homosexuals that is their business and they should respect the conventional feelings of others. As already said, this P.C. crap has gone too far and not just relating to rights for gays but in far broader terms. Look at the social malaise we now face.
Nice to see someone talking sense and being honest.
I'm sure it wasn't pleasant for the "couple" but that is not the discussion. The discussion is was the owner within his rights to turn them away. As it is HIS HOME (broken record, sorry) then yes, he is well within his rights.