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Old 20 July 2004, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by kob999
He was not refusing entry to his home which he would be entitled to do for any reason.

HE WAS REFUSING ENTRY TO HIS PLACE OF BUSINESS

Which happens to be HIS.....HHHHIIIISSSSSS BUSINESS which also happens to be HIS HOME.

So, its HIS POXY CHOICE!!!!!
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Old 20 July 2004, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
Two women is entierly different!!!
Why exactly? because it's two women together and that society has deemed that this is acceptable, whereas two men together is not?

Not having a go, just curious to see why you'd say that.
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!

Nice to see someone talking sense and being honest.

I'm sure it wasn't pleasant for the "couple" but that is not the discussion. The discussion is was the owner within his rights to turn them away. As it is HIS HOME (broken record, sorry) then yes, he is well within his rights.
But he didn't turn them away, he offered them seperate rooms.

I still think he was within his rights but he should've found a different reason like no double rooms left or something. Not you can't share a bed in my house you pair of bandits!!

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Old 20 July 2004, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Markus
Why exactly? because it's two women together and that society has deemed that this is acceptable, whereas two men together is not?

Not having a go, just curious to see why you'd say that.

It was a light hearted joke, a joke shared by 99% of blokes the world over.

If the bloke had turned two lesbians away I'd be saying exactly the same thing......may have wondered why though!! Grrr!! The sheer thought.
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Old 20 July 2004, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by The Guv'nor
But he didn't turn them away, he offered them seperate rooms.

I still think he was within his rights but he should've found a different reason like no double rooms left or something. Not you can't share a bed in my house you pair of bandits!!

T.G.

Atleast he was being honest and giving the proverbial finger to "ooohh, can't say this, can't say that". "musn't do this, mustn't do that".
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Old 20 July 2004, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Markus
Why exactly? because it's two women together and that society has deemed that this is acceptable, whereas two men together is not?

Not having a go, just curious to see why you'd say that.
It depends on wether or not they "look" like women - if you know what I mean .
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Old 20 July 2004, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
Which happens to be HIS.....HHHHIIIISSSSSS BUSINESS which also happens to be HIS HOME.

So, its HIS POXY CHOICE!!!!!

No it is not his choice. Operating a business from your home means that for purposes such as tax etc part of your home is declared as a business premises. If it were his home and he spent money doing up is bedrooms etc then he would not be entitled to consider this a legitimate business expenses.

I very much doubt his guest bedrooms are used by anyone other than paying guests. I doubt he claims it MY HOME when doing his accounts

You can't have it both ways.
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Old 20 July 2004, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by jasey
It depends on wether or not they "look" like women - if you know what I mean .

Ssshh!!! Tut Tut. Don't say thiat, you musn't.

You can't be seen to have an opinion or a personality....its the year 2004 you know.

Zzzzz Zzzzz Zzzzzz

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Old 20 July 2004, 02:56 PM
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As i said in the first instance, and Harvey reiterated above,
he offered a twin instead of a double.
if it came to the ~ECHR he could argue he was discretely offering to correct an error in the booking by the two gentlemen.
(I think its obvious he acted on the grounds they are a gay couple)
wasnt there a thing actioned by the same gay rights group with four transexuals turfed out of the ladies loo?
setting someone up for a fall is much worse than the fact he offered them a room without a double bed IMHO.

drama queens?
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Originally Posted by kob999
No it is not his choice. Operating a business from your home means that for purposes such as tax etc part of your home is declared as a business premises. If it were his home and he spent money doing up is bedrooms etc then he would not be entitled to consider this a legitimate business expenses.

I very much doubt his guest bedrooms are used by anyone other than paying guests. I doubt he claims it MY HOME when doing his accounts

You can't have it both ways.

Your opinion, I respect that.
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Old 20 July 2004, 02:58 PM
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OK - my final word on this as it is going to go on and on:

Consider:

A couple want to stay in a B&B - owner asks out of interest: 'What do you do?'
- We work in an abattoir
- Sorry, says the owner, I'm a vegatarian I don't agree with what you do, you can't have a room

or same question: 'What do you do?'
- We work for paper manufacturer
- Sorry, says the owner, I'm a member of the Green Party, I don't agree with cutting down trees to make paper, you can't have a room

or perhaps 'Are you married?'
- No
- Sorry, I'm taking the moral high ground here and I don't agree with couples having (or potentially having) sex outside of marrige you can't have a room

or perhaps 'Are you gay?'
- Yes
- Sorry, I'm taking the moral high ground here and I don't agree with same-sex couples having (or potentially having) sex, you can't have a room

How many of you with girlfriends, (not wives) would have been a) offended b) embarrased c) punched the blokes lights out d) created a real fuss if this had happened to you e) posted up a ranting thread on Scoobynet ( )

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Old 20 July 2004, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
Oh, so because **someone** has written it down automatically makes it correct does it.
i didn't say it was right - i just pointed out that it exists and can be enforced by courts that have jurisdiction over this country.

if it was the case that it was

a) a set up and
b) they were offered twin beds

then i suggest the whole thing is a storm in a tea cup in any case. the missus i have been given twin bed rooms in the past because that was all that was available. why didn't he just say that?
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Old 20 July 2004, 02:58 PM
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Gotta love the SN prejudice brigade....

Can't wait to see some of you cope with gay offspring - after all, 10% apparently are gay, so 1 in 10 of you fathers are going to have some fast learning & acceptance to do

We're all human beings - we all come out of the womb roughly the same shape with the same rights.
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Old 20 July 2004, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris L
OK - my final word on this as it is going to go on and on:

Consider:

A couple want to stay in a B&B - owner asks out of interest: 'What do you do?'
- We work in an abattoir
- Sorry, says the owner, I'm a vegatarian I don't agree with what you do, you can't have a room

or same question: 'What do you do?'
- We work for paper manufacturer
- Sorry, says the owner, I'm a member of the Green Party, I don't agree with cutting down trees to make paper, you can't have a room

or perhaps 'Are you married?'
- No
- Sorry, I'm taking the moral high ground here and I don't agree with couples having (or potentially having) sex outside of marrige you can't have a room

or perhaps 'Are you gay?'
- Yes
- Sorry, I'm taking the moral high ground here and I don't agree with same-sex couples having (or potentially having) sex, you can't have a room

How many of you with girlfriends, (not wives) would have been a) offended b) embarrased c) punched the blokes lights out d) created a real fuss if this had happened to you e) posted up a ranting thread on Scoobynet ( )

Chris

I'd be p!ssed off if he turned me away for sure for **whatever** reason.....but I would respect it as it is his home.

I may be a little more annoyed if it were a huge establishment as nobodies livelihood is being affected.
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Old 20 July 2004, 03:01 PM
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What if they where two straight blokes and all he had left was a double. they where unable to get in anywhere else maybe because there was a big event on. would it be a problem if they then said we'll don't worry mate it's only one night we'll share the bed. Do you think the owner would have refused the booking then?
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Old 20 July 2004, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by imlach
Gotta love the SN prejudice brigade....

Can't wait to see some of you cope with gay offspring - after all, 10% apparently are gay, so 1 in 10 of you fathers are going to have some fast learning & acceptance to do

We're all human beings - we all come out of the womb roughly the same shape with the same rights.
One of those rights being the right to choose who you allow in to your home.

I am not a homophobe, I repeatr just to make this point clear. I'm defending the owner, not attacking the "couple".
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Old 20 July 2004, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ProperCharlie
i didn't say it was right - i just pointed out that it exists and can be enforced by courts that have jurisdiction over this country.

if it was the case that it was

a) a set up and
b) they were offered twin beds

then i suggest the whole thing is a storm in a tea cup in any case. the missus i have been given twin bed rooms in the past because that was all that was available. why didn't he just say that?
Discretion may have been advisable but atleast he had the ***** to speak his mind.
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Old 20 July 2004, 03:03 PM
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Gotta love the SN PC brigade....

what do you fear in our take of events?
It is of my opinion that a man (or woman) has a right to decide who enters his home/place of work.

It is apparently the feeling of many people in the world, a straw poll (yeah, I know ) this morning that more were in favour of the owners retaining his rights than the gay couple.
therefore, in a totalitarien world, we are in the right
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
I am not a homophobe, I repeatr just to make this point clear. I'm defending the owner, not attacking the "couple".
So by supporting the owner, you are supporting prejudice.
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Old 20 July 2004, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by imlach
So by supporting the owner, you are supporting prejudice.

I am supporting HIS rights. There may be other threads where I am supporting others rights.

His business, his house, his decision.
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Old 20 July 2004, 03:08 PM
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I defend the rights of all individuals - Home / business owners have rights just the same as poofs do !
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
I am supporting HIS rights. There may be other threads where I am supporting others rights.

His business, his house, his decision.
So you are quite happy for prejudice to exist in your world then?
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Originally Posted by jasey
I defend the rights of all individuals - Home / business owners have rights just the same as poofs do !
Of course they have rights, but rights based on unwarranted prejudice?
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Old 20 July 2004, 03:10 PM
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Agree it was his choice.

He just made a bad decision (assuming his rooms weren't visible to anybody else).

Definitely shouldn't be forced by law to accept them. Although i wonder what would have happened if it had been two black people, and he made it clear that he was turning them away due to that fact. I *bet* he'd be prosecuted then...
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
Have I an irrational fear of gay people??? You assume yes it seems....assume away but you are quite wrong.

I am merely backing someone up and his rights of entry to his home.

Or in this case - rights of rear entry in his home

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Originally Posted by imlach
Of course they have rights, but rights based on unwarranted prejudice?

As it his home he can have whatever prejudice he wishes against anything or anyone.

Some people stroke cats, some shooo them away.
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Although i wonder what would have happened if it had been two black people, and he made it clear that he was turning them away due to that fact. I *bet* he'd be prosecuted then...
You seem to make a distinction there between "black" and "gay".
It's almost as if you're implying that refusing "blacks" would be outrageous.

Both are prejudice - plain & simple.
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Old 20 July 2004, 03:12 PM
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Who's up for booking all his rooms under the SN Lesbian and Gay Delegation?!!
Ask if there's any chance of discount!!

T.G.
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Originally Posted by imlach

Both are prejudice - plain & simple.

Correct.
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Old 20 July 2004, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by imlach
You seem to make a distinction there between "black" and "gay".
It's almost as if you're implying that refusing "blacks" would be outrageous.

Both are prejudice - plain & simple.
What about black gays?? You'd be in a right pickle with them on your doorstep.

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