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21 July 2004, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
But do we *ever* know with certainty when we go into "normal" parenthood that circumstances won't change? I just don't see that this situation is so radically "off the charts" that it shouldn't be given an opportunity to prove itself...
21 July 2004, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by dharbige
Sorry, B2Z, but you can't have it both ways.
Just as you are entitled to hold whatever opinion you wish, and to state it publicly, DBW is entitled to hold (and state) the opinion that *your* opinion makes you homophobic.
Just as you are entitled to hold whatever opinion you wish, and to state it publicly, DBW is entitled to hold (and state) the opinion that *your* opinion makes you homophobic.
21 July 2004, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
Excactly. That's what I'm against. This 'have it all' culture that people seem to live by today.
As I said before, they made a lifestyle choice when they entered into a same sex relationship. For better or for worse, there are some rights they forefit by doing so. Child adoption is one of them.
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As I said before, they made a lifestyle choice when they entered into a same sex relationship. For better or for worse, there are some rights they forefit by doing so. Child adoption is one of them.
UB
Sorry, but i STILL don't see how this is different from a man/woman relationship, where, for instance, the man knows the woman is infertile when he marries her.
Should THEY be denied the right to foster children too??
Help me out here - spell it out to me, UB.
21 July 2004, 11:28 AM
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Tel,
So we'll include infertile (and all the other reasons people can't have kids) couples in this too shall we?
So we'll include infertile (and all the other reasons people can't have kids) couples in this too shall we?
sorry, Im talking about IVF here, not adoption.
21 July 2004, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Redkop
and one that you knew would provoke incitement 
Discussion. Debate.
My intention was not incitement. Though it was (with some people) inevitable.
21 July 2004, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
No doubt discussing asylum or religion would make him racsist also? It's just a text book politically correct response.
Discussing is one thing - having an opinion is something different. All I'm asking him to do is explain his reasoning behind his opinion - maybe I can learn something. Simple question, but no answer yet.
21 July 2004, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Redkop
and one that you knew would provoke incitement
Lynne - IMO a topical and interesting thread, certainly beats working this morning
. As long as the thread doesn't degenerate into a slanging match, where's the problem?
21 July 2004, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by MattW
Lynne - IMO a topical and interesting thread, certainly beats working this morning. As long as the thread doesn't degenerate into a slanging match, where's the problem?
. As long as the thread doesn't degenerate into a slanging match, where's the problem?He's bored probably.
The only person provoking incitement is him with saying such things and doing the stupid rolleyes face.
21 July 2004, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Sorry, but i STILL don't see how this is different from a man/woman relationship, where, for instance, the man knows the woman is infertile when he marries her.
Should THEY be denied the right to foster children too??
Help me out here - spell it out to me, UB.
Should THEY be denied the right to foster children too??
Help me out here - spell it out to me, UB.
for child adoption
21 July 2004, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
He's bored probably.
The only person provoking incitement is him with saying such things and doing the stupid rolleyes face.
The only person provoking incitement is him with saying such things and doing the stupid rolleyes face.
21 July 2004, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
Ok. s-a-m-e s-e-x = for child adoption
for child adoption
21 July 2004, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
Discussion. Debate.
My intention was not incitement. Though it was (with some people) inevitable.
My intention was not incitement. Though it was (with some people) inevitable.
21 July 2004, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Drunken Bungle *****
Discussion or Debate? You must be new around here! Factless opinions? Loads of those!
There is some good debate. Some ranting but it's still interesting to me.
21 July 2004, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by **************
dHarbige, rubbish i'm affraid as there is nothing in my opinion that implies I am homophobic.
21 July 2004, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by **************
dHarbige, rubbish i'm affraid as there is nothing in my opinion that implies I am homophobic.
21 July 2004, 11:42 AM
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You're right - you don't need my approval. But to hold a sensible debate/ discussion people need to understand each others reasons. If someone states an opinion then runs away without any ability to justify it, where's the debate/ discussion? "This is my opinion and I'm right." So how can anyone else learn anything form that?
Maybe you're right? How can anyone ever know that if you can't explain why you believe something? You're unwillingness to try to explain your reasons just makes me think you haven't thought it through - just spouted the popular line. Maybe you're better than that, maybe you're not - who knows?
Maybe you're right? How can anyone ever know that if you can't explain why you believe something? You're unwillingness to try to explain your reasons just makes me think you haven't thought it through - just spouted the popular line. Maybe you're better than that, maybe you're not - who knows?
21 July 2004, 11:42 AM
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I've stated my opinion, which is what we were asked for. I don't have to justify it. You called me homophobic because of an opinion I stated that states nothing pointing to me being homophobic. Calling me that is not having an opinion, its making an accusation, two totally different things
21 July 2004, 11:45 AM
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Speaking for myself, I have stated my opinion and backed it up with reasoning. I agree that if you are going to counter someone elses opinion you must either explain yourself aswell or keep schtum in the first place!
21 July 2004, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by **************
I strongly disagree with letting homosexual couples bring up children. Its not natural for starters and yes I think the kid would face problems at school and also be brought up thinking the situation of its 'parents' was normal, which is most certainly isn't.
So this wouldn't be accusing gay parents of being abnormal then...? Just checking out the differences between an opinion and an accusation that's all....
21 July 2004, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by MattW
As long as the thread doesn't degenerate into a slanging match, where's the problem?
21 July 2004, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Redkop
The time taken to constantly monitor potentially volatile threads like this, to see that they don't degenerate into a slanging match.
21 July 2004, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Redkop
The time taken to constantly monitor potentially volatile threads like this, to see that they don't degenerate into a slanging match.
21 July 2004, 11:49 AM
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So this wouldn't be accusing gay parents of being abnormal then...? Just checking out the differences between an opinion and an accusation that's all....