unclebuck

It would be like..... The Muppet Show.

UB

ooo... forgot to say CORNER!!!

Oh and - look at me I've got 5,000 posts!!!

SomeDude

DBW, I don't think it's fair to conclude that people being anti gay-adoption are homophobic. Some might be, some not.

To further the debate, much seems to focus on the words "normal" and "natural". IMHO we do a lot of "unnatural" things as a human race, including driving Japanese tinbox cars at over 120 MPH. So we need to define "normal" and "natural" if we want to clarify those statements.

There is no straight yes or no answer as far as I can see: has to be looked at case by case, I'm sure some kids would sell a limb to be able to live with a decent gay couple.

So "yes" to the right to adopt, but with caution.

Senior_AP

You have considered all the potential issues??

Bullying??
If the couple were to brake up?? Who is deamed the mother/father (court of law).

There is soooo much to this topic.

unclebuck

Quite right. To the politically correct though there are no shades of grey.

UB

Drunken Bungle Whore

UB - obviously not been around the hutch for a while.

And bravo bloke? The point was the difference between and accusation and an opinion, not whether or not it's normal.

Define normal for me in the context of the current social climate? Single parents? Normal? Did someone start asexual reproduction?

And no I'm not having a go at single parents - far from it - I'm just challenging the defninition of "Normal." I have a single female friend who is adopting a child - is that not normal either?

SomeDude

There are many issues, probably as many as couples having a child "the normal way", or hetoro couples adopting kids.

The world is no rosegarden.

I think (but I'm not sure) that in Belgium - even with married same-sex couples - one of the 2 would have to be appointed gardian.

When they separate... they are in for the same nastiness as kids from hetero couples are they not ?

Drunken Bungle Whore

The world is all grey - there is very little black and white. I haven't expressed an opinion. There may be bullying, there may not. Kids from divorced parents used to get bullied. Single mums used to get put into assylums - I used to work with a group of 70+ year old women who had been locked in an asylum at the age of 15 for getting pregnant. They never got out. That used to be normal and now it isn't. We now agree that our attitudes were wrong then. Are they now?

InvisibleMan

being gay isnt right, lesbians on the other hand.....bring'em on

MattW

No it's not. In the same way it's not normal for the M25 to have light traffic on a Friday afternoon.

Not normal is not necessarily a term for something shocking and abhorrent

Drunken Bungle Whore

I also think you'll find you misquoted me:

Or was it a little long for your attention span?

Nimbus

When you state an opinion, you don't necessarily state that it's right and everybody else is wrong, or that everyone should hold the same opinon. At least I don't. If you have a different opinion then fine. If you want to try and pursade me to hold your opinion then you can try explain your reasoning behind it. Just don't expect for your argument about the facts to have the same response in the other person. A fact is one thing, and opinion is another.

What I'm trying to say that opinions are personal and based on many aspects that are difficult to put into words.. our sense of right and wrong... our morals.. our life experiances... everyone is different and we form our opinions on events and facts with this as a guide. It's pointless to ask someone to backup all their opinons with facts because it's either impossible to put into words, or because you will form a different opinon on the same facts...

Drunken Bungle Whore

"Normal" needs a reference point - just as the Norm in statistics does. How can you deviate from the norm if there is no accepted norm?

MattW

Surely the accepted norm is that two people one female and one male, have sex. The female falls pregnant and has a baby. They then attempt to bring up said baby together.

This must surely be the usual (read normal) circumstance????

dharbige

Sorry, Redkop, but that's a terrible argument.

I have a lot of respect for the job the Moderators do, but to imply that a thread shouldn't be started because it would be time consuming to monitor if it proved to be popular is surely nonsense!

Senior_AP

Sounds like a fair basis for normality in our world. Without that initial normality none of us would be here now.....

Or perhaps homosexuality is "normal" now as over time our acceptance of "normal" has broadened to cater for those, who are fundamentally different???

Senior_AP

Probably bored. Let people get on with it eh.

SomeDude

I'd bet a lot of homosexuals would be insulted if you called them "normal".

But the next question then is: is being "not-normal" the justification for being against (hmmm, this sentence is not really flowing) gay-adoption ?

Redkop

Depends if it was started as a genuine 'popular' thread or as the thread title says deliberately 'Contentious'

Senior_AP

It is contentious. Not my problem if everyone decides to argue as per normal on this site.

Lord Shrek

him/her being brought up by 2 men is

being brought up in a heterosexual relationship gives the child a much better chance

the kid with 2 bent dads would get ripped apart at school

dbw you are an idealistic tree hugging fool

another case dismissed..NEXT!!!!

dharbige

This, in itself, is a matter of opinion.

Yes it is.

No, it isn't.


All IMHO, which I am entitled to hold.

Drunken Bungle Whore

Of course you can't redefine normal - but it must have a context or reference point.

Our opions as a society about what is normal and what isn't have changed and continue to change.

What is bioloically possible has also changed. What is naturally possible has remained pretty much the same. Natural and normal are not the same things.

I'm still open to someone convincing me of their point either way - isnt' that the point of a discussion/ debate? But all that's happening is people are posting groundless opinions and misquoting others to make their point.

No one has to explain their opinion - but I'm hardly likely to agree with you or form a belief/ opinion unless they can.

Sorry I insulted you Bravo - but my patience has run thin and you did wildly misquote me to try and make a point.

This is NOT a discussion thread as no one seems prepared to discuss real facts.

Drunken Bungle Whore

Thank you - you're not the first. But rather that than an opinionated windbag!

Senior_AP

Quote:
Originally Posted by MattW
Surely the accepted norm is that two people one female and one male, have sex. The female falls pregnant and has a baby. They then attempt to bring up said baby together.

This must surely be the usual (read normal) circumstance????

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Sounds like a fair basis for normality in our world. Without that initial normality none of us would be here now.....

Or perhaps homosexuality is "normal" now as over time our acceptance of "normal" has broadened to cater for those, who are fundamentally different???

unclebuck

Drunken Bungle Whore

Typical and usual need to be defined. Single parents used to be atypical. So did IVF. Now it's typical and normal.

Homosexual couples are now more typical and usual - thus more normal.

Nimbus

Maybe they don't want to try and get you to agree with them. It's OK to people to have different opinions...

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You can't discuss facts. What's to discuss? It's either a fact or not it's not. It is opinions that can be discussed, but like I said earlier, these are based ones own life and so may be invalid to someone else.