MooseRacer

Ah, but do you know nice Mr Suhail's history?

BTW, owned and enjoyed a 3 series

mynickers

Well I am not a Subaru owner, so I can never be accused of spitting my dummy out over someone disagreeing with my acceptance of scooby’s full stop – I like them, and I like a lot of other cars, and I will defend then if wrongly perceived as much as I would any other car I rate, and I rate a lot of cars. BMW M3 CSL being a car well high on my lottery list!

I did read through my post before I posted it, and thought - I bet some people will perceive it in the light that some of you did – patronising, judgemental and abusive. But it was meant in no such way. To have a passion in cars, to make the effort to seek out a place online to communicate with other people with a shared interest should surely mean you leave your ego on the door step and just talk about the facts!

That said, at the end of the day, this is a ‘Subaru forum’, if you go onto a BMW or any other ‘brand’ specific forum and challenge all their views or slag off their love/passion, what do you expect the response to be? It’s the wrong audience really, and it’s disrespectful. If you don’t like scoob’s don’t come on the national scoob site!???

I say this to put things in perspective. I did not mean my comments about the Scooby to mean that the poster couldn’t drive, or his preference was wrong at all. But that the scoob is a wonderful car, and if like any other car pushed in the right directions will do wonders. But I have got in cars I have heard wonderful things about and not enjoyed them, but if I put my ego to one side, it’s because I don’t know how to drive it, and unless you have a god given talent to drive, you have to learn. There is nothing insulting about not knowing something. Because what you don’t’ know you can learn. If however you’ve learned and still don’t get it, then you’re just a c**t period!

Personally I love ‘cars’, and all cars that do the job well I will appreciate, be that an Evo, or a Beemer, or a Leon Cupra for that matter doesn’t to me make a difference. The point I make is, that if you really love cars as I do, you should love all cars. It’s like music, I love music, I have my preferences, and I have my bias, but at the end of the day I’ll never put ‘good’ original music down, even if it doesn’t suit my tastes. But on the same level, I will defend something that is being slagged off for the wrong reasons.

So to conclude, if someone drives a scoob after a few months and dislikes it, or it just doesn’t’ suit their driving style or expectations! Personally I don’t have a problem as someone already pointed out, but to say the ‘car’ has problems - is wrong – period. As wrong as saying the M3 CSL is not a good car compared to the spec ‘c’ – of course it is, it’s awesome, but to say one is better than the other, or one is really good, and one is rubbish are both wrong. All cars have their strengths and weaknesses. The fact is they’re both very good, but they reach the same goal through different means, and how you drive and M3 CSL is very different to how you get the best performance out of a spec c, but despite the means the ends are the same.

I think for people to start taking comments personally on this forum is all wrong, this isn’t about who is the best driver, or who knows more than someone else. But sharing information and experiences etc and just not boring the **** out of each other. When I say give the car some time, I say it because I have had cars I gave up on, then was forced financially to give them time, and eventually I grew to like them.
No one is having a go at anyone here, and there is no need for you to be so defensive, and if you think people aren’t going to stick up for scoobs in a ‘scoob’ forum you’re a muppet, and use your freaking head! GEEZ! I am going to bed!

Dark Blue Mark

Em3,

To be honest, if you come on any BBS and say the car is crap, what do you expect? I think anyone can accept that a scoob is not everone's cup of tea. If it was a reasoned argument, written in the Queen's English, it would probably taken on board, but to say an Impreza is slow and boring is not really correct, whatever your opinion. Not to say that judging someone for being gramatically correct is right, but it usually smacks of a wind up or a chav

MB

my94

Errrrrr,,,,he's a muppet guys.........when asked which model Impreza he has,reply"an old style car"............??????
Is that a WRX,STi, UK Turbo,RB5,PPP etc?...............no it's an old style car...........?.
U sure its not a Sport with a bonnet scoop:-)?

Dark Blue Mark

LOL

MB

NotoriousREV

Handling ability isn't a grey area, it's quantifiable, as is speed, therefore opinion carries little weight. I'm not arguing the fact that he's bored of the car, that is entirely his judgement call, however the cars are NOT slow and nor do they handle badly.

From the guy's own posts, he's telling us that the car is laggy under 3000rpm, which it probably is, and he has difficulty maintaining boost under most driving conditions. Clearly, his driving style doesn't suit the car: this does not make the car slow, however.

And the irony of you saying Impreza drivers are spitting their dummies because someone bad mouthed our cars when you only posted on the thread to defend BMW's is priceless, mate

tiggers

Yeah imagine that - people defending the Scooby on a site called ... err.... Scoobynet

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

emthree, just look at the above and read it again
The guy supposedly owns a scoob, read the last few lines about are diesels expensive to service, well all i can say is that a scoob will cost considerably more to service than a diesel and it seems that he considers scoobs to be slow yet looks at the likes of a mini (which are considerably slower) and then the car must be reliable.... what more can you say, modern cars will and should run 100k+ without major problems if looked after and serviced regulary (just look at my mondeo 104k and no serious problems except wear and tear items in 36k of ownership )
Make of the quote what you will but most cars dont respond well until 3k rpm, no matter what it is (well petrol unless its a rolls royce with a big v8 engine which will pull in top gear from standing )

Tony

mynickers

That's basically what I was saying, how come it took me whole essay and you did in a nice short three paragraphs? I think I have too much of the queens English lol!

Pbr

LOL @ Suhail, you've got 'em all going again! Classic trolling!

emthreewannabee

I didn't post to defend BMW's. I actually had made a mistake with the BMW thing (I can admit when Im wrong).

I don't doubt that the guy has some 'strange' views on cars to say the least. But he didn't deserve the personal attacks he recieved. Thats all

emthreewannabee

They didn't defend Scoobys. They ATTACKED him There's a difference. Obviously the mentality is "The best form of defence is attack".

ps. Sorry tiggers, this didn't turn out to be an anti BMW thread, so u can leave.

mynickers

Well I think personal attacks are a bit uncalled for, but what is clear is that if you are going to make comment about a scoob on scoobynet, 1) be sure to make sure you've got your facts right, and 2) be careful how you word your post! Then I am sure we can all be friends!

Abdabz

The guy is clearly a troll meister of the high order of troll types.
He clearly doesnt own has never sat in and probably never been close to an impreza turbo, just stumbled across this site by accident and decided to "have a go".
It is quite probable that if someone comes onto a site called "scoobynet" and starts slagging off scooby's and suggesting mini's and diesel Bee ems are "more fun or quicker off the mark" then he's going to be abused, mocked and poked fun at.
Its not often a troll gets my back up - but Ive got an itchy trigger finger!!

Oh and I've driven lots of quality cars and my scooby goes like a rocket and handles like a beaut - When it comes to changing it - it will simply be for another one!

Suhail

Many thanks for all the funny comments. I stick to what I found from owning this Impreza, sorry if it hurts your feelings.
My car is a japanese import made on an M plate, it to features small intercooler and large turbo. It also has chip and still to my mind when moving is just not fast enough. The car also understeer like a bitch as I said before. Some comments made by odd people make me wonder why they have trouble seeing the problems.

Tight corner=understeer> Steer more to cure>Loud noise of tire squeeling Outside edges of tire begins to wear off leaving rest of tread as new.

Lag>below 3k rev car drives like diesel sierra

A fiat coupe turbo is faster when moving and a good GTI will make more fun from the hadnling. The only thing I can see Impreza has to offer is four doors and practical. I don't say Impreza is bad car, just boring and not so quick.

Maybe the P1 and others are better?

NotoriousREV

And understeers while it's parked

Get your geometry checked, it's obviously knackered and stop driving it like a tart and get your foot down.

Suhail

The geometry was set to fast road by power engineering about 1500 miles ago. The foot flat on the floor makes no difference unless the car is above 3K revs. These compromise are what make the Impreza ultimate boring in the end. Ok if you are not a good keen driver but for me, I find it boring.
Some people like to drive round problems in their car I prefer to get another one as the cash is no problem. Next time I might get a really good car if I'm lucky.

NotoriousREV

And you're still a troll

Suhail

Only troll here is you.

In this thread I said "bored of Impreza" and then told you why. As you don't like the answers instead of suggesting a decent other car for me to buy you call 'troll' and other stuff. It isn't my fault that Subaru made the Impreza a boring car, as I said maybe other ones handle well (with diff adjustable) and maybe some high power ones actually go fast when moving. Maybe even not lag? I aksed the question, try to answer otherwise you are the troll.

Does a mitubishi EVO lag and understeer like the Impreza? Perhaps one of those is better for me?

andrewdelvard

A troll. Definitely a troll

Dark Blue Mark

The Impreza is the only car in the solar system that suffers turbo lag. No other car does it, and its very boring and you should sell it.

This is a toy model one you have?

MB

Suhail

The car is not a toy although it could be driven by a child, so little is the challenge or fun.
Your stupidity shines through, of course other cars have turbo lag but others I have had (like Leon Cupra) did not lag like this. I thought after thre test drive that this could be got round. How wrong was I? Car lags very badly, later one is meant to be better but this car, not good.
I ask here for advice and get rambling idiots instead. I was hoping for some cooper S owners to say of what their car was like, or maybe owner of EVO or even chipped diesel. There must be better fun cars than the Impreza people can advise?

Cold Turkey

carry on digging suheil. you'll reach australia soon

TelBoy

P1 WR all over again....

Dark Blue Mark

If you have the money as you say, you shoudn't have bought an M plate scoob. The older cars did have larger turbo's which do take longer to spool. Newer cars have smaller ones, which don't give as good shove, but are quicker to spool at low revs.

If you want to stick with it and persevere, decat the exhaust, add a scooby ECU and a decent panel filter and that will do you. If not, why not go back to the Cupra R? Far newer technology than an old boring sccob

I suspect if you'd gone for an STi5, you might be shocked by the power and crispness of the drive. (if you can)

MB

Suhail

I to have read the WR reviews, I to feel that Impreza is lag and understeer car and want to change. Some people (who probably are stuck with their cars of not enough money) have a problem with this.
Nowhere am I saying Impreza is no good, just that it lags and understeers to much for a good driver like me. I like to enjoy, not put up with.

Suhail

The Cupra was not an R, it was a lease Cupra 180bhp. I bought the Impreza after the lease went. Made a mistake and am now looking for something good instead and have upto 18K to spend on the car. So I thought Copper S work, small fun car with reasonable speed and not losing as much when selling. But maybe as some here say a bit slow? I don't know have never test drive on one.

Dark Blue Mark

But you did say it was no good by saying "maybe next time I get a good car?!"

Trust me, a cooper S isn't going to be as fast as an old 240bhp WRX (if thats what you have)

18k will buy you all sorts. I suggest you start a new post saying "Im a great driver and have loads of money, scoobs arent very good so what shall I buy"

MB

Suhail

I wonder if it my English or just a way to annoy??? Anyway maybe next time I get a good car is in reply to people who said my Impreza must have a problem, so it is a bad car.
God willing the next car will a good one.

jasey

Get yourself a GT40 m8.


Although you might struggle on long distances / refuelling - but I'm sure it will be fast enough for you !