I wouldnt even put the Impreza and clio in the same category they are in a totally different class the cup is just a budget hot hatchback that goes well.

I admire clio drivers that kid themselves thinking they can beat imprezas it's quite funny but there is no way a standard clio cup would beat a standard classic impreza turbo anywhere (drivers equal) are you trying to say a clio does 5.3 to 60 I dont think so its more like 7secs

Another reason I would buy an secondhand impreza over a clio is tunability you can gain big power gains from relatively low money. A clio on the otherhand is a lot different you can gain 20 odd bhp easily but to get more than that will cost you $$$$

I dont normally get involved in vs threads coz they r normally just nova drivers or clio drivers (potential to be new nova) that have to boast coz they beat an impreza.

All I am saying is if a clio pulled up by the side of me and wanted a race there would be no way he would be winning and thats a fact.

 

Do your homework.... maybe a few more bhp... different exhaust inlet etc, etc... and a few more twicks. 00>02 cars too 100 was 18 secs roughly now it is 15.7 (14.6 on 98>), they must have done something right. Maths will also tell you that power to weight on a clio/against a 03 WRX is that the Clio has the advantage of about 8-10 bhp with little torque. I never said the ClioCup is a bad car if you bothered to read the whole message instead of choosing lines of it to have a go at. I said it wasnt the car for me. So get of your my Clio is the greatest soapbox and post something more constructive. Ive been in both cars and they offer both different qualities you to55er.!!!
Jealousy is an ugly thing and you have just exposed yourselve. So you personally think the majority of people driving around in a new WRX or STi are driving around in heaps of shi7 then thats down to you and your opinion, which for most scooby owners you can stick up your own ****pipe!

 

0-60 means absolutely nothing.

However, if you wanna talk stats I think you'll find the difference between a Clio Cup and a WRX 0-60 is more than the difference 0-100......so, if you do the basic maths the clio gains time back. So, in gear it is quicker.

Doing "do-able" speeds on the road a Clio is every bit as quick...if not quicker.

 

I don't think he's jealous. He owned a WRX and sold it cos it was toss.

STi is an excellent machine, I doubt Davyboy would (or has) argued otherwise....so maybe YOU should read HIS posts instead of "choosing lines of it to have a go at".

 

They were all following me on a little "jaunt" .....

Thread is SIAL and no longer amusing .... Yawn. What do the Porsche forums bang on about? Money ....... exclusivity ....... build quality ....... engineering ....... adjustable settings ....... etc

Wasn't it Davyboy who got his **** kicked round the ring by a 140bhp 205 GTI, whilst he was in a 944 Turbo?

 

So just a few bhp has cut over 2 secs of the 0-100 time? Incredible!

PMSL just what have i got to be jelous of? I had a MY01 WRX and I sold it and moved on? Where on earth did you get the jelousy thing from?

I don't think I ever said that, niether did I say the Clio was the best car on the planet.

 

Yep, the very same.

 

ZZZZZZ boring comments... I dont have blinkers on you idiot. I had a corrado VR6 before and personally thought it was a better car. Just doesn’t offer the practicality I need now.

 

Porsche forums are full of all sorts, just like on here - however they are less prone to being easily wound up.

As for the 205 GTI round the ring nearly as fast......yes he did. Your point being?? If you went to the 'Ring you to would realise that being an experienced Ring driver and knowing the circuit counts for an awful lot. However, revving your engine in the local McDonalds drive thru requires no skill at all.

We have (on video) a Leon TDi beating a MY99 scoob on the 'Ring, doesn't mean the Leon is quicker does it.

lol. Some people eh !!!

 

just had a look in evo mag,

my98-00 uk impreza - 0-60 in 5.5sec 0-100 in 14.6sec
cliocup 0-60 in 6.6sec 0-100 in 17.7 secs

thats quite a bit quicker.

 

MY98 - MY00 are a fair bit quicker. That drag strip video is just an example of driver ability/inability.

Funnier comparing a "cheap Franch tin box" to the "Rally Monster" that is the bug eye Scoob.

 

maybe all the timing gear for the testers is all naff then?? MY01 WRX is slow in comparsion to an 03/04 WRX ask any owner thats upgraded. I never said also that you said the Clio is the best car on the planet... it is obviously a better car for what you want out of life.... cheap frills!

 

Well I actually bought if for my GF - but yes it is cheap thrills.

Remember I have "that other car" when I want some more expensive thrills

 

I test drove a Clio Cup last year at the end of the 172's production as my gf was thinking of getting one, I expected it to be almost as fast as a bog standard bugeye but to be honest I was very disappointed in it all round. Didn't even feel fast in a straight line. I was scared to touch anything in the cabin in case something fell off and I'd have to buy it! Felt as if it was made of egg boxes! It's a bit girly as well, nicole, papa an' all that, rather have a much slower, better built/looking car than an ugly small french hatch that just says to the world that you smoke the pink cigar!

 

What Jas says is true - a few more *quoted* bhp, but the actuals are wildly different!
- 01/02's seem to deliever slightly less power than the classics - most of the RR guys say that as standard they sit between 199 and the quoted 215bhp.
- 03/04's all produce over the quoted figs - most seem to be in the 229 to 240bhp bracket. With just a backbox added - I have seen figures of between 245 and 260bhp, and one mate of mine with a full APS Exhaust (but nothing else) got 274bhp.

You are more than welcome to try mine anytime to see if your opinion remains the same!

 

Get your flame suit on Will

 

Cheers for the support Mark! the flames were bearing on warm!!

 

Doubt he'll need it. Clio owners know what they've got, its (some of them) the Scooby owners that get irate when you question the fastest car in the world.

I haven't got a Clio by the way....

 

So what matcho car did you go for in the end then?

 

lol! Not went for one yet, off work for a fortnight in 2 weeks time and I shall be purchasing then! STI is the favourite at the moment over the WRXPPP due to insurance quotes being quite a bit lower (900 for STI, 1600 for PPP?!?!?!?) but I have a few other nonscooby cars I want to have a drive of first just to be sure!

 

Go for the Sti - the WRX will always leave you wanting more.

 

Oh dear,

Std new age cars are really not that fast at all, deal with it.

Quick 0-60 time on scoob requires technique and a certain lack of sympathy, on a prepped drag strip a well driven FWD car will easily beat a poorly driven AWD car. At speed the extra drive train losses of scoob will work against it, as will it's larger sillhoette, greater mass etc etc etc.

In the light of the (irrefutable) evidence I reallt don't see how you can argue.

Paul

 

My twopenneth:

ignoring Fuel and driver weights etc.

standard WRX (221bhp)........- 161bhp/ton
standard Sti(265bhp)...........- 180 bhp/ton
Sti PPP (300bhp).................- 204 bhp/ton
Sti PPP re-mapped (330bhp)..- 224 bhp/ton
Spec C (335bhp).................- 247 bhp/ton

Classic (with 280bhp)...........- 217bhp/ton

Clio Cup (170bhp)................- 171bhp/ton

No surprise the Clio is a match comparing these figures is it?

Of course a lot of other variables involved, 2WD v 4WD with associated transmission loss etc. etc. but a starting point for comparison purposes.

 

slightly off thread but not totally (bear with me)

driver ability is a key to any argument or mass debate (ooooh-er) like this.

I have an MY02sti which is quicker than a WR1 ive tried them extensively back to back one day and my car is quicker on every occasion except when I fluffed a gear change, got over enthusiatic and revved too much, of when the wr1 got the "drop" on me.

What i'm trying to say is that all performance cars are quick for a car to look very quick against another needs about 100bhp (or equivilent weight reduction) MORE for it to pull away noticeably. I remember seeing a clio about 6 months ago 300yds or so infront of me on some back roads he saw me and we both went for it, took me about 1 mile to catch hime and another 2 to finally overtake him (oh and it was a clio v6 and my friend is a better driver than me )

hawk

 

As hot hatches are getting more powerful and are catching up to Imprezas I think it is time that Subaru up'd the antie, and have the next Impreza models in direct competition with the Lancers, e.g......

WRX 260odd BHP
STI 300odd BHP
STIPPP 320++BHP etcetc!

 

nearly there m8 I agree with you on the figures although the sti ppp/wr1 should be more like 350 bhp

another development would be lowering fly to wheel losses.

 

Well, Im really convinced and have just ordered a Standard Clio 172 with the additional neons, K&N air filter and twin (wheel barrow) tailpipes.

With such a devastating weapon I am entering the car in the LeMans 24hrs race where it is obvious that I will get an outright victory.

Ill be in Southend this weekend recruiting a top notch second driver for team Bling-Bling fake Burberry.

I thank You

 

It is with great sadness when I read the above I believed eveything until the bit about going to Southend this weekend..... like yeah right which Muppett would go to sarrrfend and waste a good weekend!!!

 

I certainly hope you are not a Scooby owner taking the p!ss out of Clio drivers for Neons etc etc!!! That WOULD be ironic!!

 

I was comparing Clio Cup to newer bug eye WRX.

Classic scoobs are quicker than a cLio Cup - no doubt in that at all.