Waving at people as you make faster progress in the inner lane.....
28 July 2004, 05:28 PM
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This country is getting to submissive - We need more people like AP.
If someone is sitting in the middle lane overtaking imaginary traffic then he needs to be shown that the lane is actually clear then I see 4 choices:
1/ be waved at as he is passed (but not undertaken)
by me in lane 1
2/ have me come up behind him flashing my lights blasting my horn and then overtaking him and sideswiping him (just missing front offside corner of his car before swoooshing over into lane 1)
3/ He should get his gp to revooke his lisence for overtaking imaginary vehicles
4/ We all accept this poor common place driving practise and before we know it submissive britain will be all conquering and Queer Eye For the Straight Guy will be every flippin chanel!!
Good on you AP - Option 1 is the best
for now
If someone is sitting in the middle lane overtaking imaginary traffic then he needs to be shown that the lane is actually clear then I see 4 choices:
1/ be waved at as he is passed (but not undertaken)
by me in lane 12/ have me come up behind him flashing my lights blasting my horn and then overtaking him and sideswiping him (just missing front offside corner of his car before swoooshing over into lane 1)
3/ He should get his gp to revooke his lisence for overtaking imaginary vehicles
4/ We all accept this poor common place driving practise and before we know it submissive britain will be all conquering and Queer Eye For the Straight Guy will be every flippin chanel!!
Good on you AP - Option 1 is the best
for now
28 July 2004, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ajm
Only a fool would participate in contentious threads on scoobynet without having a memory that can drag up incriminating or contradictory statements made by other users years previously!
28 July 2004, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Not if he's running a public business. 
28 July 2004, 08:53 PM
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Just been swimming, cleansed my filthy soul. All of this talk has made me realise that I'm a bad person a bad driver an a wind up merchant.
....or not!!
If you're in lane 2 overtaking "imaginary vehicles" (nice one abdabz) you need to be shown safely, the errors in your ways. I'm not on a lone mission to improve everyones lane discipline but if everyone that (claims to have) has good lane discipline helps....it may be of benefit.
Loads of people on here have a go, jump on the band wagon. I don't know if they forget to remember things they do on the raod that could be considered wrong or whether they just refuse to admit to it, preferring to have a go at someone else in order to make themselves look better.
Just a thought.
....or not!!
If you're in lane 2 overtaking "imaginary vehicles" (nice one abdabz) you need to be shown safely, the errors in your ways. I'm not on a lone mission to improve everyones lane discipline but if everyone that (claims to have) has good lane discipline helps....it may be of benefit.
Loads of people on here have a go, jump on the band wagon. I don't know if they forget to remember things they do on the raod that could be considered wrong or whether they just refuse to admit to it, preferring to have a go at someone else in order to make themselves look better.
Just a thought.
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28 July 2004, 10:25 PM
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Undertaking is good for the environment
I "continue making progress in the lane I am in" all the time. If numb nuts in his saab or volvo estate 
doesn't have sufficient road-awareness to drive in the correct lane I'll be buggered if I can be bothered to pull out round him and back again - think of all the extra petrol I'd need to use by overtaking correctly! That can't be good for the environment....
Suresh
doesn't have sufficient road-awareness to drive in the correct lane I'll be buggered if I can be bothered to pull out round him and back again - think of all the extra petrol I'd need to use by overtaking correctly! That can't be good for the environment.... Suresh
28 July 2004, 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Suresh
I "continue making progress in the lane I am in" all the time. If numb nuts in his saab or volvo estate doesn't have sufficient road-awareness to drive in the correct lane I'll be buggered if I can be bothered to pull out round him and back again - think of all the extra petrol I'd need to use by overtaking correctly! That can't be good for the environment....
Suresh
doesn't have sufficient road-awareness to drive in the correct lane I'll be buggered if I can be bothered to pull out round him and back again - think of all the extra petrol I'd need to use by overtaking correctly! That can't be good for the environment.... Suresh
28 July 2004, 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
And a ridiculous one at that too....
Whatever makes you happy.
28 July 2004, 11:08 PM
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I get to do a lot of the M11 at the moment & always pull back into the left hand lane when possible/safe to do so. If this means sitting off the NSR quarter of the twonk that don't pull over on the 2 lane bit, then so be it.
So when the o/side laners have to all brake suddenly & I don't cos the road in front of me is clear, then I make up a few spaces. Never do it overtly agressively and I won't drop below 56 mph (for phear of lorry up me jacks) but if they do, then thats a few more places I'll make up.
Not that I can be ar$ed tbh
Though it does P me off when I indicate clearly/in time to move off inside lane NSR bumper of car in front & car behind that decides that they don't want to let me in
& infact speeds up to close gap still further
Then they better have a) good reactions & b) not be too precious about the front of their car as I just go
Then move back in after overtaken the car I had to move out for...
So when the o/side laners have to all brake suddenly & I don't cos the road in front of me is clear, then I make up a few spaces. Never do it overtly agressively and I won't drop below 56 mph (for phear of lorry up me jacks) but if they do, then thats a few more places I'll make up.
Not that I can be ar$ed tbh
Though it does P me off when I indicate clearly/in time to move off inside lane NSR bumper of car in front & car behind that decides that they don't want to let me in
& infact speeds up to close gap still further Then they better have a) good reactions & b) not be too precious about the front of their car as I just go
Then move back in after overtaken the car I had to move out for...
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Surely the whole point of it being illegal to pass someone at speed on his left hand side is that he may well pull into the left lane while not expecting anyone to be overtaking him in that lane. The law says you are at liberty to overtake someone on their left only if they are signalling a right turn.
To do so deliberately is asking for trouble.
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To do so deliberately is asking for trouble.
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29 July 2004, 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
You will disagree with anything I ever say on any thread just to be bloody minded.
Whatever makes you happy.
Whatever makes you happy.
I'm not disagreeing with anything - just stating that your assumption that i'm responding to your lane 1 antics in order to make me "look better" in any way is ridiculous, that's all.
I'm *well* past the point of needing to do that, make no mistake..
29 July 2004, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Surely the whole point of it being illegal to pass someone at speed on his left hand side is that he may well pull into the left lane while not expecting anyone to be overtaking him in that lane. The law says you are at liberty to overtake someone on their left only if they are signalling a right turn.
To do so deliberately is asking for trouble.
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To do so deliberately is asking for trouble.
Les
If the rules were established that forced people who can't drive onto public transport then the roads would be safer !
29 July 2004, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Surely the whole point of it being illegal to pass someone at speed on his left hand side is that he may well pull into the left lane while not expecting anyone to be overtaking him in that lane. The law says you are at liberty to overtake someone on their left only if they are signalling a right turn.
To do so deliberately is asking for trouble.
Les
To do so deliberately is asking for trouble.
Les
Scenario: You are on the M6 or whatever. Inside lane (correct lane). Road is fairly clear. There is a car in the middle lane tootling along, oblivious to any lane discipline or what is going on around him/her. To them its just a road and a case of "pick a lane, any lane".
If it was me I would just continue to drive in the lane I'm in, cautiously of course. Like any passing there is always an element of caution.
Its just annoying that you *must* pull out to the outside lane, skipping across 3 lanes then skipping across 3 lanes back just because somebody is clueless with regard to lane discipline.
Yesterday morning was one of the most noticeable in a long time. I got to work in very good time by keeping a pretty much steady speed and not lane chopping/swapping hardly at all.
I don't see how that makes me wrong. Stay left, its very simple.
29 July 2004, 10:08 AM
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That last reply spells it out really.
In that situation I more often than not DO move out across 3 lanes to overtake, then move back 3 lanes to resume my journey.
Its incredible that 9 out of 10 times in this instance, you look in your rear view mirror further down the road to see the brainless one is STILL sitting there in lane 2...oblivious of the fact that they are where they should not be.
In that situation I more often than not DO move out across 3 lanes to overtake, then move back 3 lanes to resume my journey.
Its incredible that 9 out of 10 times in this instance, you look in your rear view mirror further down the road to see the brainless one is STILL sitting there in lane 2...oblivious of the fact that they are where they should not be.
29 July 2004, 10:14 AM
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People don't like to think of themselves as "slow" drivers, in the "slow" lane.
A simple driving information campaign on telly by the Government would work wonders, imo.
A simple driving information campaign on telly by the Government would work wonders, imo.
29 July 2004, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
People don't like to think of themselves as "slow" drivers, in the "slow" lane.
A simple driving information campaign on telly would work wonders, imo.
A simple driving information campaign on telly would work wonders, imo.
I recall, a very very long time ago there were adverts on TV prompting people to stay left. My mum remembers them quite clearly. Due to congestion/over population these days its more vital than ever to re-introduce them.
29 July 2004, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Apparition
That last reply spells it out really.
In that situation I more often than not DO move out across 3 lanes to overtake, then move back 3 lanes to resume my journey.
Its incredible that 9 out of 10 times in this instance, you look in your rear view mirror further down the road to see the brainless one is STILL sitting there in lane 2...oblivious of the fact that they are where they should not be.
In that situation I more often than not DO move out across 3 lanes to overtake, then move back 3 lanes to resume my journey.
Its incredible that 9 out of 10 times in this instance, you look in your rear view mirror further down the road to see the brainless one is STILL sitting there in lane 2...oblivious of the fact that they are where they should not be.
Its particularly when they flash as though YOU are in the wrong!!
F$cking clueless. Really does my head in.
29 July 2004, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Apparition
That last reply spells it out really.
In that situation I more often than not DO move out across 3 lanes to overtake, then move back 3 lanes to resume my journey.
In that situation I more often than not DO move out across 3 lanes to overtake, then move back 3 lanes to resume my journey.
29 July 2004, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ajm
I do both depending on the circumstances, and I always assume someone is going to pull out on me either way - lets face it, they aren't aware they are alone in the middle of the motorway so what makes you think they will be aware of you overtaking in lane 3! At least if they do it while you are in lane 1 you have the hard shoulder to bail out on, lane 3 has no such luxaries!
Exactly, and you're safe in the knowledge that you know what lane to use. Thats why I wave. Sometimes they realise and pull straight in......mission accomplished!! 1 down, 58 million to go.
29 July 2004, 10:45 AM
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The Government should just Ban Modeos and Lagunas - 99.999% of the abusers wouldn't have cars .
I have to admit that the lane 1 - lane 3 - lane 1 move was my favourite for ages and I used to see how fast and how late I could leave it for Maximum effect - But most w@nkers nowadays don't seem to notice and they certainly don't care - They do seem to think that they have paid for the Middle lane and they own it !!
I did once do a Lane 1 - Lane 3 - Lane 1 then slow down to let tosser overtake me in one move - Very effective as knobber did then move into lane one !
ps I know my actions are not to be condoned but it helps split up the monotony (sp - real word - don't care ???) of your average MWay experience.
.I have to admit that the lane 1 - lane 3 - lane 1 move was my favourite for ages and I used to see how fast and how late I could leave it for Maximum effect - But most w@nkers nowadays don't seem to notice and they certainly don't care - They do seem to think that they have paid for the Middle lane and they own it !!
I did once do a Lane 1 - Lane 3 - Lane 1 then slow down to let tosser overtake me in one move - Very effective as knobber did then move into lane one !
ps I know my actions are not to be condoned but it helps split up the monotony (sp - real word - don't care ???) of your average MWay experience
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Anyone who hogs the middle lane and doesn't pull over, I will undertake. 
no exceptions apart from the old bill.
on the subject of undertaking it sems to work fine in the USA, so why not here?
And BTW the M1 'fast lane' moves at between 90-100 mph usually, so where do you get 71 mph from Chaz u plank? Or perhaps you r adopting my tactics- Trolling.
no exceptions apart from the old bill. on the subject of undertaking it sems to work fine in the USA, so why not here?
And BTW the M1 'fast lane' moves at between 90-100 mph usually, so where do you get 71 mph from Chaz u plank? Or perhaps you r adopting my tactics- Trolling.
29 July 2004, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Prince Popeye
Anyone who hogs the middle lane and doesn't pull over, I will undertake. no exceptions apart from the old bill.
on the subject of undertaking it sems to work fine in the USA, so why not here?
And BTW the M1 'fast lane' moves at between 90-100 mph usually, so where do you get 71 mph from Chaz u plank? Or perhaps you r adopting my tactics- Trolling.
no exceptions apart from the old bill. on the subject of undertaking it sems to work fine in the USA, so why not here?
And BTW the M1 'fast lane' moves at between 90-100 mph usually, so where do you get 71 mph from Chaz u plank? Or perhaps you r adopting my tactics- Trolling.
Don't say undertake!! You'll get jumped on. You're merely passing them as they sit cluelessly in the middle lane while you obide 100% by the law.
29 July 2004, 11:47 AM
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I used the lane 1 trick every day into work at rush hour.
You have the clueless that just stick to lane 2. And the **** late for work in lane 3 - tailgaing, hitting the throttle and going up to 80mph when they see a clear stretch and slamming the brakes back to 40mph when they approch another car infront.
And theres me in Lane 1 with all the trucks doing a constant sedate 50mph - and overtaking (undertaking) the lot of them
You have the clueless that just stick to lane 2. And the **** late for work in lane 3 - tailgaing, hitting the throttle and going up to 80mph when they see a clear stretch and slamming the brakes back to 40mph when they approch another car infront.
And theres me in Lane 1 with all the trucks doing a constant sedate 50mph - and overtaking (undertaking) the lot of them
29 July 2004, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by ALi-B
I used the lane 1 trick every day into work at rush hour.
You have the clueless that just stick to lane 2. And the **** late for work in lane 3 - tailgaing, hitting the throttle and going up to 80mph when they see a clear stretch and slamming the brakes back to 40mph on when the approch another car infront.
And theres me in Lane 1 with all the trucks doing a sedate 50mph - and overatking the lot of them
You have the clueless that just stick to lane 2. And the **** late for work in lane 3 - tailgaing, hitting the throttle and going up to 80mph when they see a clear stretch and slamming the brakes back to 40mph on when the approch another car infront.
And theres me in Lane 1 with all the trucks doing a sedate 50mph - and overatking the lot of them
Couldn't have said it better myself. Spot on. Accelerating and braking in lane 3 is lethal, lane 2 is dangerous cos its full of halfwits and is a get out point for the ***** in lane 3.
Lane 1 is the way to go.
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Good topic, im with AP and AJM on this one.......
Coming up behind said middle lane hogger, I usually start flashing half mile before hand, this usually works, especially when they see the closing speed of the bike coming up behind them ….
If it doesn’t, I will undertake, using the hard shoulder as a failsafe it needs be, and after completing the undertake, flick the left hand indicator on as a gentle reminder of lane discipline
I do the same in the car, but hasn’t quite the impact as the bike, especially if there’s a few of us, under and overtaking all and sundry….
The WORST wind up is when they move over, you overtake in the middle lane, and after you’ve passed, they then pull back into the middle lane …That really gets me wound up
Coming up behind said middle lane hogger, I usually start flashing half mile before hand, this usually works, especially when they see the closing speed of the bike coming up behind them ….
If it doesn’t, I will undertake, using the hard shoulder as a failsafe it needs be, and after completing the undertake, flick the left hand indicator on as a gentle reminder of lane discipline
I do the same in the car, but hasn’t quite the impact as the bike, especially if there’s a few of us, under and overtaking all and sundry….
The WORST wind up is when they move over, you overtake in the middle lane, and after you’ve passed, they then pull back into the middle lane …That really gets me wound up
29 July 2004, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by brybusa
Good topic, im with AP and AJM on this one.......
Coming up behind said middle lane hogger, I usually start flashing half mile before hand, this usually works, especially when they see the closing speed of the bike coming up behind them ….
If it doesn’t, I will undertake, using the hard shoulder as a failsafe it needs be, and after completing the undertake, flick the left hand indicator on as a gentle reminder of lane discipline
I do the same in the car, but hasn’t quite the impact as the bike, especially if there’s a few of us, under and overtaking all and sundry….
The WORST wind up is when they move over, you overtake in the middle lane, and after you’ve passed, they then pull back into the middle lane …That really gets me wound up
Coming up behind said middle lane hogger, I usually start flashing half mile before hand, this usually works, especially when they see the closing speed of the bike coming up behind them ….
If it doesn’t, I will undertake, using the hard shoulder as a failsafe it needs be, and after completing the undertake, flick the left hand indicator on as a gentle reminder of lane discipline
I do the same in the car, but hasn’t quite the impact as the bike, especially if there’s a few of us, under and overtaking all and sundry….
The WORST wind up is when they move over, you overtake in the middle lane, and after you’ve passed, they then pull back into the middle lane …That really gets me wound up
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There are several schools of thought when it comes to passing a vehicle on the inside lane of a motorway.
A friend of mine who had to attend an ADT scheme after shunting his Elise (to avoid a driving without due care and attention conviction) was told by the ADT instructor that not only was 'undertaking' not illegal, but it was also not considered bad driving practice. Personally I have done several thousand miles of motorway driving whilst towing a trailer with racecar, (for the purposes of this thread I will gloss over the fact that I was generally towing at 80-85 when the limit is 60) but I never moved out into the outside lane, this would really make me unpopular with the plod, plus its bloody annoying to other traffic. This obviously puts me at the mercy of middle lane morons, the advice given to me by a traffic officer (me old man!!) was to undertake but ONLY if I was certain that the hard shoulder was clear for the distance that I required (incase any chumpy pulled across me and I needed somewhere to go. Generally he and his colleagues would do nothing about undertaking, because if anyone deserved pulling over for a talking to it’s the lane log.
At the end of the day every different scenario needs weighing up, before you start launching yourself down the inside of a moron, make sure you aint gonna come off second best!
A friend of mine who had to attend an ADT scheme after shunting his Elise (to avoid a driving without due care and attention conviction) was told by the ADT instructor that not only was 'undertaking' not illegal, but it was also not considered bad driving practice. Personally I have done several thousand miles of motorway driving whilst towing a trailer with racecar, (for the purposes of this thread I will gloss over the fact that I was generally towing at 80-85 when the limit is 60) but I never moved out into the outside lane, this would really make me unpopular with the plod, plus its bloody annoying to other traffic. This obviously puts me at the mercy of middle lane morons, the advice given to me by a traffic officer (me old man!!) was to undertake but ONLY if I was certain that the hard shoulder was clear for the distance that I required (incase any chumpy pulled across me and I needed somewhere to go. Generally he and his colleagues would do nothing about undertaking, because if anyone deserved pulling over for a talking to it’s the lane log.
At the end of the day every different scenario needs weighing up, before you start launching yourself down the inside of a moron, make sure you aint gonna come off second best!
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Originally Posted by IGDU
There are several schools of thought when it comes to passing a vehicle on the inside lane of a motorway.
A friend of mine who had to attend an ADT scheme after shunting his Elise (to avoid a driving without due care and attention conviction) was told by the ADT instructor that not only was 'undertaking' not illegal, but it was also not considered bad driving practice. Personally I have done several thousand miles of motorway driving whilst towing a trailer with racecar, (for the purposes of this thread I will gloss over the fact that I was generally towing at 80-85 when the limit is 60) but I never moved out into the outside lane, this would really make me unpopular with the plod, plus its bloody annoying to other traffic. This obviously puts me at the mercy of middle lane morons, the advice given to me by a traffic officer (me old man!!) was to undertake but ONLY if I was certain that the hard shoulder was clear for the distance that I required (incase any chumpy pulled across me and I needed somewhere to go. Generally he and his colleagues would do nothing about undertaking, because if anyone deserved pulling over for a talking to it’s the lane log.
At the end of the day every different scenario needs weighing up, before you start launching yourself down the inside of a moron, make sure you aint gonna come off second best!
A friend of mine who had to attend an ADT scheme after shunting his Elise (to avoid a driving without due care and attention conviction) was told by the ADT instructor that not only was 'undertaking' not illegal, but it was also not considered bad driving practice. Personally I have done several thousand miles of motorway driving whilst towing a trailer with racecar, (for the purposes of this thread I will gloss over the fact that I was generally towing at 80-85 when the limit is 60) but I never moved out into the outside lane, this would really make me unpopular with the plod, plus its bloody annoying to other traffic. This obviously puts me at the mercy of middle lane morons, the advice given to me by a traffic officer (me old man!!) was to undertake but ONLY if I was certain that the hard shoulder was clear for the distance that I required (incase any chumpy pulled across me and I needed somewhere to go. Generally he and his colleagues would do nothing about undertaking, because if anyone deserved pulling over for a talking to it’s the lane log.
At the end of the day every different scenario needs weighing up, before you start launching yourself down the inside of a moron, make sure you aint gonna come off second best!
I agree with you but we need to fdifferentiate between an undertaking manouvere and simply driving on the inside lane.
Undertake:
You're in (for arguments sake) middle lane, you accelerate, into lane 1, go past someone in middle lane then you pull out back into the middle lane.
Driving on inner lane:
Simple - you're in the right and they are in the wrong as they should NOT be there where as you SHOULD be where you are.
TV adverts and signs along the motorway please.
29 July 2004, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Jason Crozier
Rule 242. I rest my case.......
"Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake. In congested conditions, where adjacent lanes of traffic are moving at similar speeds, traffic in left-hand lanes may sometimes be moving faster than traffic to the right. In these conditions you may keep up with the traffic in your lane even if this means passing traffic in the lane to your right. Do not weave in and out of lanes to overtake".