about time!

and what are ppl on about by saying "a few have spoiled it for everyone"????

NO ONE should be letting of stuff after 11pm so and anyone can do so before then.....whats the problem?

 

ban the bloody things altogether.

 

The problem, as I have already pointed out, is that:-

a) a little bit more of our liberty has been chipped away
b) a precedant is being set such that objects and products are banned to try and remove opportunity to misbehave instead of tackling the root cause - the misbehaving individuals themselves!

 

ajm,

a) Yes but in a good way that will appeal to all none pikey / chav families

b) chav misbehaviour is inherant in the individual therefore guidelines which may seem apparent to the rest of us need to be set for the chav / pikey population (if you cant take the chav away from the firework then the firework has to be taken away from the chav)

.............................. i thought mohammed and a mountain should be in there somewhere but what the hell

 

And with this new law, we can! Everybody happy now?

That argument can be applied to any rule or law we have. The law against rape, murder, burglary, drink driving, etc... all 'chip away our liberty' do they? It's a question of balance and banning/making illegal the things that need banning. The only peoples liberty that could be argued is being chipped away is those that start off fireworks late at night.

 

No, I'm not happy.

It doesn't target those responsible, it targets EVERYBODY.

Yes they do, which is why laws that prohibit things have to be drafted carefully! Our society, a "free" society is built on the premise that we are free to do what we like unless expressly forbidden. The more things that are specifically forbidden the more we err towards a society where we are free to do nothing unless expressly allowed!

Why ban fireworks and not any other artifact that can make a noise and annoy someone? It doesn't make sense.

Ban the act of repeatedly causing unecessary suffering to people through antisocial behaviour instead. That way Mrs Miggins can have her fireworks once in a while without being thrown in gaol and the troublemakers can be arrested for irresponsible use of fireworks, or indeed any other behaviour that can be deemed criminally antisocial without the need to ban every single thing that a chav could possible get his hands on to annoy people with!!!

 

Doesn't target me as I don't set off fireworks late at night so not everybody

 

More of my liberty was chipped away when I couldn't get any sleep because of the bl**dy fireworks.

Lee

 

I'll get back to you on that when we are all barcoded, microchipped drones living our lives in the specific manner prescribed to us by the government.

 

Lets get rid of more laws then so it would be legal for me to go and tw*t the idiots letting the fireworks off.

Lee

 

Sometimes you post the daftest things ajm

 

I have to admit, I thought aj was on a hiding to nowhere with this argument, but it's starting to make more sense the more I think about it. Banning fireworks rather than tackling the root cause of the problem is 'sledgehammer' legislation.

It will have the desired effect (hopefully), but eroding people's rights doesn't do anything to address the underlying issues of lack of social responsibility that so many adults (and parents) seem to display these days.

UB

 

Thank you, you know it makes sense!

Sometimes I'm just misunderstood!

 

...the new law seems fair to me. After all, for the sensible majority who have fireworks, they'll be :

a) over 18
b) having the display before 11pm anyway

Seems to still allow adults to have firework displays in the back garden as far as I can see. So how is that taking away your civil liberty?

You're not allowed to use your car horn after 11pm, nor create excessive noise from your hifi if it disturbs neighbours, so why should MUCH LOUDER fireworks be excluded?

You'd think they'd banned fireworks completely the way some of you are moaning on!

 

...and there isn't really any solution to enhancing social responsibility in the chav population, so the law seems the only way to go....

 

After alls said and done fireworks are still mini explosives. Its about time something was done about it. Hopefully the new law will be enforced and enforcable. Doesnt go far enough in my opionin

 

Well, if I’ve got this right, and I think I have , the problem is not that fireworks are loud, or can be let off late at night. The problem lies in the attitudes of the people letting them off thinking “it’s just a bit of fun” and anyone who doesn’t agree can f**k off.

 

Yes, the uncaring, selfish, me me me, generation that the world has degenerated into....

 

I've got some neighbours who let off fireworks (the really noisy ones) at all times of the year, really late at night. Doesn't bother me but I'm sure a lot of the neighbours aren't too happy.

 

Well, almost Let me re-write your post slightly.

The problem is that fireworks are loud, or can be let off late at night and in the attitudes of the people letting them off thinking “it’s just a bit of fun” and anyone who doesn’t agree can f**k off.

 

It was all Thatcher's fault apparently. Strange that it seems so much worse now than 10 (even 7) years ago.

UB

 

do any of the "anti new law" ppl want to let of fireworks after 11pm???

if you do....you cant anymore so good!

if you dont...why are you moaning???

 

Actually I too would prefer not to be woken up by random bangs in the middle of the night so I am not disagreeing with the law out of any inconvenience to myself, I am disagreeing with it because ban culture is undermining our freedom!

The desired outcome is commendable, but I do not agree with the way in which the government is seeking to achieve that outcome!

You have lapped it up because for you personally it could have a positive effect and in your glee you have missed the wider implications.

Whilst fundemental laws exist (that should be enforced effectively) forbidding us from harming one another, whether that be physically or by anti social behaviour, there is no justification to ban or place restrictions on specific "harmful objects", because misuse of those objects should already be covered!

To do so starts a precedent whereby it becomes illogical to only ban certain things and not others and that will ultimately lead to an "everything is prohibited unless sepcifically authorised" culture, and that is not a free culture. Unless we are prudent with the application of laws and tackle the root causes of problems or holes in the law then little by little we will lose our freedom.

and that, in a nutshell, is my problem with the new law.

 

Ajm,

The point is, it's a restriction, and not a ban. Much like ****, alcohol, drugs etc.

 

...and explosive materials

 

For those that do not support any restrictions, I promise that if they saw the reaction of a terrified pet, they would want them banned full stop

 

Actually a restriction is no more than a ban with caveats!

Anyway, humour me an analogy:-

Assuming the restriction on fireworks works in the way it was intended and the fireworks are no longer available to oiks to light and throw at each other on the streets at night.... the fireworks are gone. However, the oiks are NOT gone. They are roaming the streets looking for kicks then suddenly one realises that he can buy flour, a large tin of biscuits, some hosepipe and a box of candles without being asked for ID.

One large empty biscuit tin with flour in the bottom, a lit candle, a length of tubing and a good puff from an aforementioned oik and there is an almighty bang followed by the clatter of a landing biscuit tin lid in the street.

The oiks mates like it, it catches on. Now they are all at it!

You are the government, what do you do?

a) Bring in a law with powers against anti social behaviour and use that to control the oiks

b) Ban the sale of flour, biscuits, hose pipe and candles to people under 18

c) both



Answer:

a) - sensible
b) - illogical
c) (what our government has effectively done) - Overkill!

 

Somehow I didn't think the terrified pet scenario would do it for you ajm

 

LOL!

Ok, still not convinced?....

I live less than 1/4 mile from the HQ for Avon & Somerset Constabulary. Every year they have a "musical extravaganza" to which members of the public are invited. To end the evening they have a huge firework display and, as my house is higher up than the HQ grounds, means the shells tend to burst pretty near to the level of my house. The walls shake, the windows rattle and my tankful of highly strung fish go absolutely mental!!!

So yes, I can empathise with the terrified pet scenario, however I wouldn't wish to enforce my choice of pet upon the activities of other people. That is something you know full well that I vehemently oppose!!!

 

Presumably you are unable to make the mental leap between an example and an analogy then?