SomeDude

Bullying... bit of a circle then. It's wrong because a lot of people think it's wrong because they know a lot of people think it's wrong ?

Don't you teach your kids it's wrong to bully ? Perhaps smacking would work !

Smart kids get bullied as well. Sometimes. Sometimes not. Lots would depend on the school staff. Same for ginger kids, handicapped kids, i.e. every kid that somehow is perceived as "abnormal". Sometimes they grow up stronger because of it, sometimes not. Not clear cut at all.

Role model. Not sure about that one. The kids of extreme feminists mostly turned out a lot more "traditional" in their thinking. Role model has become a pretty useless word IMHO. I wonder if there are any studies about this. It's possible that there may be long term negative effects, but I don't think it's black and white.

LOL with the flashy clothes Mini sales would also flourish

SomeDude

SAP, why are you getting pissed off ? I don't think anyone is being abusive (well, more abusive than the "norm")

Must type faster, as above post duplicates a lot from Frenchboy's post.

I'm sure some "married" gay couples don't think it's right to raise kids BTW.

Would love to hear from gay people on here, but I bet they won't give their 5p when they are constantly called "deviant" and "abnormal".

Senior_AP

I was not going to post further but this is a direct question.

I am getting p!ssed off that people think its ok to subject an unknowing child into where he or she is brought up in an unnatural environment. The abuse in which they will receive, the ridicule, bullying. I find it selfish, cruel, arrogant and rude that (some) homosexual couples want to adopt a baby and bring it up.

It really takes the p!ss and if allowed shows what a sorry state this weird world has become.

I'm sure many homosexual couples agree that there whims and wants are not as important as the whole life of a baby. The "want want want" mentality of these selfish people - oblivious or just ignorant of the fact that they will subject that child to a life of ridicule seems benign to them.

In an ideal world I'd be fine for a homosexual couple to bring up a child, prefer them to be heterosexual but if they are good loving parents I would not oppose. Unfortunately it is not an ideal world and the whole idea is out of order big time.

I hope that has answered your question.

FrenchBoy

Wouldnt it be great if we lived in a world where kids got bullied at school because their parents were narrow-minded, intolerant and self-righteous fools....

OllyK

Yes gay people do abuse kids, so do hetrosexual ones, just a minority of them in both cases. However, a person's sexuality has little causality on their propensity to child abuse.

OllyK

I hate to be picky, but if you are suggesting that natural selection is proactive we need to go back to the biological drawing board.

Senior_AP

"In an ideal world I'd be fine for a homosexual couple to bring up a child, prefer them to be heterosexual but if they are good loving parents I would not oppose. Unfortunately it is not an ideal world and the whole idea is out of order big time".

It's narrow minded to assume that it'll "all be ok" having a child being bought up by a same sex couple.

I LIVE IN A WORLD OF REALISTS!!

You think I'm anti-gay. Wrong, I just realise that there are people out there who will make the childs life hell all due to the whims and wants of 2 very selfish and damn right out of order people.

Ideal world it would be fine. But its not an ideal world is it.

SomeDude

and

At the risk of pissing you off even more, may I suggest to let it rest for a day or two, and then read this again. I'm sure you will see the dichotomy between those two statements.

Not trying to pick your post apart, merely trying to explain why I am still confused after reading it. I do appreciate the answer, I just don't understand it. Not just because I'm thick

Senior_AP

Fair enough, I see your point.

I consider it unnatural yet I would not be nasty etc towards the child as a result. However many would be. Hence in an ideal world it would be ok in my opinion though I wouldn't totally see it as normal.

I hope that makes better sense, I understand the confusion there.

Tiggs

putting a baby in an abnormal place is dadt because it leads to the probs mentioned. ideal world and it wouldnt but it isnt so it does!

im not anti blind but im not getting in a car with Mr Wonder at the wheel.

Senior_AP

Thank you. Exactly what I've been saying but I'm accused of being anti-gay.

I find it abnormal but that doesn't make me anti gay. E.g. I'm not a homophobe at all.

the moose

Narrow-minded, as well, for a non-parent to start preaching about how to bring up kids and who's best to do it. Once you've done the sleepless nights, the worrying over illnesses, the fretting over schools, the hair-tearing over the scribbled-on wallpaper .... THEN you can talk.

Tiggs

i should mention that i wouldnt be driven by stevie wonder as he cant see...not because i dont like black drivers.

T

ps- you have to be sooooo carefull what you say on here

Tiggs

why only then?

do you have to experience it to comment? odd idea that would make for rather quiet debate.

ps- i have 3 kids.........and dont know any blind people or dwarfs.

Senior_AP

We are discussing the merits of what problems may arise from a child being brought up by two homesexual parents in a world where you get bullied for wearing the wrong brand trainers.

I don't recall we were boasting about who's had children or not.

SomeDude

Tiggs, sophism alert !

Make that "im not anti blind but im not sitting at a piano with Mr Wonder behind the keys".

As a little aside: most gay men that really want children get married to a female. You really don't want to know how many kids have a gay father.

Over & out

SomeDude

And PC alert ! He said "black" uh uh !

Senior_AP

Baffled me to. He has had a child or children thus assumes he knows everything about the pros and cons of bringing up a child in a same sex parent environment.

He has no more grounds to discuss this, and no more experience on this point unless of course he is homosexual, which I doubt.

So yeah, pretty **** post all told!!

SomeDude

Sounds like a new TV prog !

FWIW I don't have kids either, so I'll defo shut up now

the moose

No, but you were bleating on about who is suited to be a parent. As you're clearly not one yourself, what qualifies you to state who is, or is not, the correct sort of person to look after and bring up children.

Senior_AP

You know nothing more about homosexuality than I do about parenting. So, again....open debate.

Forgot also that you are the perfect parent and by having children suddenly become the guru of everything right and everything wrong in the world of bringing up a child.

OllyK

Women better stop taking advice from male gynachologists as well then as obviously they know nothing about the female body

You don't have to be a parent to have a view on bringing up children. We were all children once (it may be argued that some still are), I see that as very valid experience for suggesting how kids are brought up, and indeed how your parents raised you will be a major influence on how you bring up your kids.

FrenchBoy

Anyone wanting to have a child is selfish!!!!
The very act of procreation is one of the most selfish acts in all of history.

I personally never hope to have children (much to my brooding g/friend's horror) as i honestly believe that its a wicked thing to inflict this cruel life on another being. But once these poor creatures are in the world the best thing we can do is make sure they are brought up in a loving environment - whatever that is - single parent, two hetero parents, gays, wolves, whatever.

School is tough no matter what. Kids get picked on all the time. As someone already mentioned ginger kids get a really hard time but that no-one is suggesting that they dont breed (although its not a bad idea).

You cant second guess whether someone will have a hard time at school. If the child is confident enough they can get over anything.

Andy Tang

iTrader: (3)

But that is saying that he shouldn't drive because he can't see.

What quality do a homosexual couples lack, for them to be unable to raise children?

the moose

I imagined I'd be a good parent .... but I'm terrible with babies. I imagined that my son would be all manly and by daughter would be all girly, and they'd look to their respective parents for girliness and boyiness ... but it's not turned out that way. In short, my preconceptions have been modified by experience.

the moose

Assuming again, aren't you? My daughter's godfather is gay .... but clearly, I know nothing about homosexuality.

Senior_AP

Sigh!!

I was not bleating about anything. I have never said that a gay couple would make bad parents. I'm confident that some gay couples would make fantastic parents but it doesn't change the facts. I'm being a realist about the world we live in ; the fact that its unfair on the child.

If any of your children get bullied I should imagine it would be horrible, but it would be nothing compared to the stick they'd get from other kids if the victims parents were gay!!

In principle - it would be nice to see anyone bring up a child well.

In reality - it would be hell and is damnright selfish to put a child into a situation where it WILL happen. There are enough heterosexual parents willing to adopt and until we live in an ideal world gay couples should open there eyes and be more concerned about a young child over their wants.

Senior_AP

lol. What on earth has that got to do with anything.

<mention random person who is gay ; profess to know it all>

Arrogant.

Senior_AP

None at all. Potentially could be excellent.

Not mine, and others on this thread's point though.

the moose

No, just answering your post that I know nothing about a subject, which I know really quite a lot about.

Nothing arrogant about that, is there?