944Turbo

924 had a version of the vw/audi engine but it was lighlty modified.

944 has half a 928 engine, which was continuosly developed and finally used in the 968. The 968 Turbo S (very rare around 15 £75,000 when new) used the 3.0l bottom end with a 944 turbo head.

The 944 Turbo was around £42K in 1990 and some parts reflect that price. They are extremely strong and over engineered. There are some VW audi parts but not many (and VW overengineered their cars back then too).

The 1988 turbos had 928 S4 brakes.
They will produce over 300bhp and over 300ftlbs for around £600 in mods.

They can be tuned to over 400Bhp 400ftlbs relatively easily.

You can fit 4 track day wheels and tyres in the boot.

There were only around 150 sold each year towards the end so good ones are rare.

Might be difficult to insure under 25.

Tony

Mr Gee

I have owned 5 928's over the years. form an early 928 right upto a 928 GTS.

Value for money wise - there is nothing on the road that comes close for the money you pay. Also, they are very chaep to maintain, if you know what you are doing. Full original porsche service kit for 928 GTS £210 - 4 hours work.
Easiest clutch I have ever changed on any car.
Its also a vehicle which has a lot of road presence. People move over when they see one lurking up behind them. A bit slow off the mark, but the "In gear" times for 50 and upwards are remarkable. 50 to 70 its quicker than an M5, from what I recall.

Go and test drive one......

Brendan Hughes

Mr Gee, what were your personal views on each subsequent model?

GC8

Common misconception; whilst the casting is similar to a VW door handle the internals are completely different. You cant replace a 924/944 or 944 doorhandle with any other VAG part.

Simon

GC8

This is another misconception; the (924) engine has a similar/common block with an engine used briefly in the LT but that is it. The engine was originally designed by either DKW or more probably Mercedes and then passed to DKW/Auto-Union where it was used in the Audi 100 (as an OHV engine).

Simon

whiper

I personally think the 968 is a better car than the 944.

Did a track day at croft in a 944 turbo - wasnt that impressed - had a lot of lag and understeered dreadfully.Drove a cooper s the same day - handling was much better.

slim_boy_fat

Very strange as they are not renowned for understeer. Laggy yes understeer no (tyres must have been goosed)

The lag can be significantly reduced quite cheaply.

Spoon

I had a 928S4 back in 1992 and absolutely loved it. It was superb fun unless you hit standing water. . In the driving rain it was as quick as in the dry as long as the water kept moving.:

Servicing properly was massively dear though at Porsche, after all it was a 30-65k car back then.

I put more boots on it than Beckham owns over the 100,000 miles I clocked up jollying in it.

I also had an exhaust made for it which simply growled.

I don't however begrudge one penny spent on that car.

It didn't hang about but stopped better.

I used to challenge my father with "who could reach the highest speed down the hill alongside my property before having to brake and make it into the drive".

The S4 managed 104mph and turned in.

My father in a new Griffith 5 litre managed 105-110 but the car stalled as he hit the brakes so hard. He managed to wrestle it into the drive but not enough to prevent him from sticking it in the hedge.

Brendan- 10k isn't too cheap now for what could be a 1988 car with probably 120,000 on the clock.

Blot- The 928 GT as it was known in manual form was 330bhp from memory, the S4 (auto) was 320bhp.

johnfelstead

the 928 GT has 330bhp/317lbft 0-62 in 5.8s 0-100 in 13.7s
the 928GTS has 345bhp/369lbft 0-60 in 5.5s 0-100 in 13.8s

you might find this useful http://www.patedwards.net/links.html

slim_boy_fat

Back to school for you mate. As usual lots of people think they know something about these cars when in fact they know *&ck all

The 944 engine was beveloped as a Porsceh engine from the very start, and bears alot of similar components to the 928 engine, as does the 959 BTW.

Probably one of the best engines every made, typical Porsceh everything over engineered, hence why you can get 400bhp out of them very reliably, and they had close to 700bhp in race trim!!

A well set up 944turbo is in a different class performance wise than even a 968CS. After all they are the same car with the same basic suspention, just one of them will have 100+bhp more and 150lbft more..

Senior_AP

It's gonna be a 14 or so yoear old car - likely to have tired suspension. 951's handle excellent.

IanJ

My tuppence.

968's are just facelifted 944 S2's (I know it has later design engine and slightly more power). Very nice but not worth the extra ££££ if you are putting it on the track.

For cheap power and out and out handling go with a 944 turbo preferably with a MO30 kit fitted.

I have a 924S which i am just finishing bringing up to MO30 specs and well driven my piddly 160bhp has been known to leave 'meatier' cars in it's wake (More power is next on the list as i have it as light as possible now).

These cars are so well balanced that although rwd they can be driven very quickly in the wet or dry.

Senior_AP

A sorted 951 with any uprated suspension (Leda, Bilstein. Koni M030) will be tops on a track. Especially with R-rated rubber and uprated Anti Roll Bars Eg. From a 968 CS.

They hammer more powerful cars, without problem.

Gutmann pug

cough

IanJ

The single most impressive thing i did to mine was put the 968 CS anti-roll bars on. The car became so flat in corners, enabling me to be able to take previous 3rd gear corners in forth!! 8)

Senior_AP

I'm selling cos I need 4 seats.....

Gutmann pug

I was commenting on the, ''they hammer more powerful cars without a problem'' point

Senior_AP

They do!!

So do shabby old 205's.......

davyboy

Tell him about the 911 tubo mate

....and every other car we destroyed at Donington on that day

Gutmann pug

I cant believe your company have payed all that money to send you to france for the day to do some high powered business dealings .....and what do you do? Sit trawling through scoobynet threads lol .....

slim_boy_fat

So have people got it yet the 944t is the best car In the world, not that I am biased

davyboy

It's not all work, work, work

GC8

This is a common misconception. The handles are outwardly similar to VAG handles from the time as the car was developed as a VW by Porsche; but they are not interchangable in any way. Later 'Logo' door handles do not resemble VAG handles at all though they have the same fixing pattern, as do 968 pattern handles.

Simon

Senior_AP

996 Turbo, Various Cossies.

This was on Davyboys old knackered suspension to!!

Should of seen the looks on their faces when an old Capri Laser came blatting past!!

Sheer class.

GC8

This sint really true either; the engine was originally a DKW engine and it was used by Auto Union / Audi / VAG for a while in a number of guises, one of which was in the LT van. There are a few common parts still like oil seals but the engine is otherwise unique.

Simon

slim_boy_fat

Your talking about the 924 enging not the 944 one.

The 944 was designed btm up as a porsche engine, with the ballancer shaft idea nicked from Mitsubushi(sp)

GC8

I was replying to someone commenting on the lineage of the 924 engine. The 944 engine is essentially half; one cylinder bank, of the first 928 engine. If you look at the valve gear this is apparent. The balancer shaft isnt actually stolen from Mitsubishi though, its licensed; Porsche paid MMC $8 for every engine that was produced.

Simon

davyboy

Didn't porshce get the own back with the tip tronic gears though?