Very good,sympathetic and understanding way of looking at it-its hard to agree with some of the other posts when youre on the recieving end of it-ive been involved in searches for people that have topped themselves,hasnt really effected myself,as a dead body cant hurt you(everyone has their own ways of dealing with it)-but what really made me think was when i saw the anguish(sp?) on the families faces who were looking for their loved one,who was later found at the bottom of a cliff!!!
Unfortunately its one of those things that is allways going to happen.I personally think people should keep their oppinions(selfish ect....) to themselves until they know the reasoning behind the tradgety(could possably be a valid reason)+people on this forum may actually know/be related to this person.------Rant over.........

Sympathies to all involved.

easy

 

One of my closest friends had an uncle that committed suicide, and even now, years later the family are unable to come to terms with his death. They think he didn't feel able to talk to any of them, so they think he didn't love them. Very sad, the mans poor children. I totally agree that suicide is an act of cowardice, it's then left to the families to try and pick up the pieces, if that's ever possible.

My mum-in-law works on the trains up in manchester, and this happens weekly, and the amount of rail staff off work through the trauma of seeing this happen is quite a large figure, suicide has massive reprocussions for lots of innocent people.

 

You would have thought going for a run in his scooby would have cheered him up a bit?

On a serious note though, you feel for his remaining family and the guilt they'll probably have and also the poor train driver who was just doing his job ,there is always a better option than doing this.

 

3 years ago i developed panic attacks after my boss (best friend) died suddenly, throughout the last 3 years i tried to cope with it but only just managed, with mounting stress at the begining of the year the panic attacks/ anxiety became so bad i couldn't leave the house for a month. At my lowest point sometime around may i started to have what the proffesionals call "intrusions" these are like voices in your head telling you to end it all and that suicide is the best thing (believe me these things feel real) after having 5 or 6 for a month or so i was so scared to be left alone because of these thoughts i went to the doctors and wouldn't move till they helped me. I have been on anti depressants for 2 months now and am back to my old self. I to have a wife and two daughters, just glad it worked out. Before 3 years ago i had never had anything like this before. The good news is though, it taught me to live life to the full, so i did and treated myself to a car i'd always dreamed of owning. Could only afford a my95 wrx import but she's a babe mint condition.

Thoughts to everyone involved.

 

Glad to here you came through it Buzz.

 

Good on ya Buzz

 

Buzzuk, Good for you mate! Glad it all worked out mate! It angurs(sp?) me to still read some of these posts pratically slating this poor man. I agree 100% with you easyrider as above. Let's just provide are sympathy and condolances to the family and friends.

 

Good man! After the last couple of years, a friends suicide and a couple of family member dieing I decided to do the same. Lifes too short, as you say live it to the full.

 

condolences to all those involved.......

 

easyrider and buzzuk I got to agree with your comments 100% I feel sorry for everyone in this situation with both families, It kind of brings home what little problems you have compared to the situation that has happened here. RIP.

 

nice one buzz.

and to anyone who thinks its a cowards way out I can assure you there is nothing cowardly or selfish about it. Not denying the devastating effects on next of kin etc but depression itself can be pretty damn devastating. Its not about being unhappy, or a little bit down or p!ssed off or needing to face up to your problems, its a full blown illness in its own right. Unfortunately there are far too many people who claim to be depressed or suffer minor depression which clouds the issue. You wouldn't tell someone in a wheel chair to stop being so lazy and get off their **** so don't believe for a moment genuinely depressed people can just 'face up to their problems'. This guy was obvioulsy genuinely depressed.

And yes I have been there myself, degenerating over a number of years, developing suicidal ideology and 'escaping' via substance abuse. I ended up psychotic (but thats another story), was on medication (ADs and neuroleptics) for 18 months, had over a year off work (and I'm self employed) and constantly felt I was a burden to my loved ones and they would be better off without me.

Mental illness has always had a stigma attached to it and some of the opinions on this thread illustrate it is still widely mis-understood.

Of course my sincerest condolances to all involved. It could so easily have been me or any one of us.

 

All I hope is that guys torment is over. I care not to divulge in to my own problems, just to say that when your in that kind of state a thought comes into your head, no matter how irrational or illogical it is - it seems like the solution. No one can say it's cowardly. To loose control of your own actions through this is scary, people can end up doing very weird things. You can't just slap them round the head tell them to get a grip and pop some happy pills, it just doesn't work like that.

I hope the train driver can accept that he could have done nothing, and doesn't let it get to him.

My thoughts are with everyone involved.

 

Good Stuff Cold Turkey

Mental Illness will probably affect 1 in 4 in the UK yet there is still a massive stigma attached.

To this guy I bet he felt it was his only option to kill himself

 

Cold Turkey ... Congrats for 2 things ..

1. coming through your problems .. (hope your PMA continues, I'm not sure you ever fully 'recover' from that kind of depression - it's a big like alcoholism in that regard)

2. writing one of the most articulate posts I have seen on this forum ..

Condolances to all who survive our fellow scoob devotee ...

 

hear hear.

 

Thats another big thumbs up from me on that one!!!
No-one doubts the devastation left behind. But any anger at the victim is misdirected and too simplistic a view.
My sympathies to all concerned and my best wishes go to anyone facing any sort of similar ill-health on this BBS.

 

yeah, i'd heard the newer models were pretty bad but didnt realise they were this bad...

 

different people react deifferently to different problems and sometimes problems can seem so much that the only way out is suicide.when people are depressed their thinking can be affected so severely there is no other option.in my previous job i have encountered many suicidal patients and the distress they suffer is severe-they see no hope in themselves,their present or the future what would you do in those circumstances?
at the end of the day a suicide is a sad loss of life due to someone not being helped through their problems for whatever reason.it is unfortunate that there is so much stigma about mental illness that this stops people from seeking help as they are seen as "weak"
martin

 

Some of the posts in this thread illustrate just how ignorant people can be about mental illness. My sister suffers from Bi-polar disorder (used to be refered to as 'Manic-depressive'). It's kept in check by pills. When she is bad, it is an awfull, awfull thing to watch anyone go through, let alone a family member. Rational thought just does not come into it when someone is this ill.

Condolances to all involved in this tragedy

 

Sounds very familiar to me, my life and lots of others on here.

Life is too short so **** anyone who wastes yours and do your best for yourself and your family I say.

Brian.

 

Oh FFS! WHERE IS A MODERATOR when you need one

 

It has been RTMd but deemed acceptable apparently

 

Some people just don't understand when its not appropriate to make light of situations, we all like a laugh on here but this just isn't on.

Just **** off back to wherever you came from.

 

A lot of good honest people / comments on this post, big thumbs up to you all.

Big **** off to all nobber comments. This could happen to anyone of us!!

Doesn't matter how happy or invinsable you think you are, chemical imbalances in the brain can trigger this too not just becomming depressed!

A few years back a friend of a friend jumped off a bridge, left a very healty business, wife and kids. It was a total shock as no-one (and I mean no-one) expected it as he had everything and appeared very happy and outgoing.

Don't make a mockery, that's why people in this state feel they can't talk about it as nobbers make out they are loonies!! Have some consideration!!

Anyway condolences to those he left behind and I hope they can forgive him and understand one day

Bogie

 

have to agree.stop the sad immature postings.my mother commited suicide some years ago now.two years after my dad died.she had known him since she was 13 and could no longer face up to life without him.
sincere condolances to his family

 

Just two short sentences on a very sad event but it speaks a thousand words of the true love your mother had for your father...

...truly touched

 

You need to read Cold Turkeys post Lynne. I thought you knew people that had been depressed, so surely you must know how irrational they can be? They're most likely thinking that killing themselves is the best option for them, their family and everyone who knows them.

Depression is probably the most commonly misunderstood serious illness. Sufferers can't just "pull themselves together" or make sound judgements. It's a shame the health system tends to just administer some nasty medication rather than make a concerted effort to find the root cause.

And it's a shame people who don't understand it think they know enough to make judgements.

 

Craig, in case you didn't notice, I posted before Cold Turkey's post. If he had posted before me, I wouldn't have done my post. I have seen, first hand the utter distress caused to those left behind to carry on and it's very sad to see So perhaps, I am only looking at it from the other side of the fence.

 

I don't think there is any right or wrong in this thread.

It just depends on which side of the fence you have experienced.

The mess left behind or the desperation of the individual.

 

with regards to buzz,i was in avery similar situation..only i didnt leave the house for over 2 years. my family helped me through it..my circumstances meant i lost my job,my cars,my self respect and my horrid ex g/f(ok that wasnt so bad lol) the good news is..i got through it,i have my scooby,new g/f,new life and things are looking better everyday. glad to hear you pulled through it all too..depression is a very very underestimated illness and people take light of it if its not a physical thing because it cant be THAT bad if it cant be seen..can it????. my thoughts are with his family and i hope he finds the peace he was after.