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04 September 2004, 09:04 PM
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gsm thats why i didnt bother posting, it seems its ok for a whiteman or a christian to go and bomb a nation and raze chechyna to the ground and i didnt see these guys crying for chechynas children and innocents and neither did bush and tony coz they wanted putin to join in to go into afghanistan so they were willing to forget what putin did in chechnya but soon as these evil cowards did the same to the russians , all hell broke loose, what they both did was evil and unforgivable, this was a far of russian military might against people who thought to defend their homeland from 1840 onwards and yes these mother****ers who go and kill children deserve a death worse than any punishment and same to the evil russians who done the same to them, i dont see bravo and uncle buck crying for the 100.000 chechens who have been accounted for the innocent casualties who the russians killed and also the ones that havent been accounted for and woman who have been sold to the sex trade and raped and pillaged , i dont see these narrow minded fools cry for them.
when i read the posts yesterday , made me sick, what kind of mentality these guys have , ok for the whiteman and christians to do any atrocity under the sun but all hell breaks loose when these guys do the same evil but no one wants to talk about why this happened and yes their is no excuse of what happened to the lil ones, this shouldnt have happened at all, i would have killed these cowards myself
when i read the posts yesterday , made me sick, what kind of mentality these guys have , ok for the whiteman and christians to do any atrocity under the sun but all hell breaks loose when these guys do the same evil but no one wants to talk about why this happened and yes their is no excuse of what happened to the lil ones, this shouldnt have happened at all, i would have killed these cowards myself
04 September 2004, 09:27 PM
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What a load of crap. You have no idea what I think 'about whitemen and christians' and their actions. Frankly it's just that kind of twisted rhetoric that characterises extremist brainwashing techniques used by the radical clerics. Good to see a clear example of how the muslims who live our country think.
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04 September 2004, 09:37 PM
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no u are the one talking crap ub not me
and yes u prove im right when u talk your garbage and it shows what kind of mentality u guys have , never cry for the others who suffer coz of these goverments policies but ready to point at others who do the same wrong dont u
and yes u prove im right when u talk your garbage and it shows what kind of mentality u guys have , never cry for the others who suffer coz of these goverments policies but ready to point at others who do the same wrong dont u
04 September 2004, 09:57 PM
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I don't talk garabage. There's a post by you and me on this thread where what we say can be mapped almost one to one exactly. Do you really believe I approve of the actions of imperialist powers such as the USA or the UK or Russia for that matter? Do you believe I approve of the invasion of Afghanistan (by the Russians) or Iraq? Of course I don't. But you don't really care what I think. As a white European I'm guilty by default as far as you are concerned. This is exactly my problem with Islanic fundementalist views.
04 September 2004, 10:19 PM
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I CRIED TODAY
Guys there is logic and counter reason here particularly from the very lucid Asif and Aaqil… Maybe they have a bigger battle than us infidels…???
I logged on wishing to wish every Muslim death. The thought of one of them ‘proudly’ killing my baby girl and gunning her down like a rat would mean I might surely kill 10 more in revenge…
As much as I want Chechnya to be free (as much as I want Palestine to be free) NO ONE CAN OR IS ALLOWED TO KILL CHILDREN. Whatever their cause…
I think in doing this they have ‘lost’ the war; they must be destroyed NOW, and at once, and at the expense of THEIR civilians and babies. Hit hard hit fast.
My compassion for my fellow but Islamic based fellow man is EXPIRED. Thanks for making me an animal you murderous disgusting Qu’ran bashers.
SO sad. It’s ‘on’ now, in my saddened brutalised head. Prepare…
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I logged on wishing to wish every Muslim death. The thought of one of them ‘proudly’ killing my baby girl and gunning her down like a rat would mean I might surely kill 10 more in revenge…
As much as I want Chechnya to be free (as much as I want Palestine to be free) NO ONE CAN OR IS ALLOWED TO KILL CHILDREN. Whatever their cause…
I think in doing this they have ‘lost’ the war; they must be destroyed NOW, and at once, and at the expense of THEIR civilians and babies. Hit hard hit fast.
My compassion for my fellow but Islamic based fellow man is EXPIRED. Thanks for making me an animal you murderous disgusting Qu’ran bashers.
SO sad. It’s ‘on’ now, in my saddened brutalised head. Prepare…
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04 September 2004, 10:20 PM
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You also seem to mis the point Moses that Chechens have tried to do something that was not allowed by its Government, the Russian Governement, break away and become its own country. Thankfully they havent succeeded as it would have been very easy for it to become the new homeland of Al Quaeda with its proximity to Afghanistan and its Islamic fundamentalism.
Civil war is no less nasty than war between two or more nations. I don't defend what the Russian forces have done to Chechnya, bloody hell you only have to look at pics of the place that its been made to make Beruit in its heyday look like paradise! There is simply nothing left of the place but rubble, ruin and poverty. However that doesn't mean to say we can sit back and say poor old Chechens its no wonder they terrorise Russian civilians! The fact is its a Muslim region and they have to resort to extremism when they don't get their own way. This time they have gone below any depths ever gone to before. Why should they be allowed to break away and become their own country? Any other nation that encounters such rebelion acts in the same manner, it does everything it can to stop the fragmentation of its country.
Chechnya needs to be sorted out, but seeing people support them disgusts me. Seeing Vanessa Redgrave on telly for the last few days saying poor old Chechens has disgusted me, that daft old bat needs taking to the vets and putting down, she has quite clearly lost all sense of realism!
And to add I know the majority of Muslims in the West deplore such activites that are done in the name of Islam but its not what many Muslims in the rest of the World feel. Thats the problem. Islam breeds fundamentalism. In the West thats limited to a small minority. In less developed areas of the World the fundamentalism thrives and distorts Islam to what it is now becoming, a faith of extremist nutters hell bent on destroying the West through hatred and jealousy. Its destroying what you believe Islam to be Moses. I know you as much as anyone else hated seeing those kids die, but there will be many Islamic regions of the World that will be celebrating what happened (if not celebrating at least having no sorrow for what happened) just like they did with the twin towers. Thats a very worrying and dangerous state of affairs for World security
Civil war is no less nasty than war between two or more nations. I don't defend what the Russian forces have done to Chechnya, bloody hell you only have to look at pics of the place that its been made to make Beruit in its heyday look like paradise! There is simply nothing left of the place but rubble, ruin and poverty. However that doesn't mean to say we can sit back and say poor old Chechens its no wonder they terrorise Russian civilians! The fact is its a Muslim region and they have to resort to extremism when they don't get their own way. This time they have gone below any depths ever gone to before. Why should they be allowed to break away and become their own country? Any other nation that encounters such rebelion acts in the same manner, it does everything it can to stop the fragmentation of its country.
Chechnya needs to be sorted out, but seeing people support them disgusts me. Seeing Vanessa Redgrave on telly for the last few days saying poor old Chechens has disgusted me, that daft old bat needs taking to the vets and putting down, she has quite clearly lost all sense of realism!
And to add I know the majority of Muslims in the West deplore such activites that are done in the name of Islam but its not what many Muslims in the rest of the World feel. Thats the problem. Islam breeds fundamentalism. In the West thats limited to a small minority. In less developed areas of the World the fundamentalism thrives and distorts Islam to what it is now becoming, a faith of extremist nutters hell bent on destroying the West through hatred and jealousy. Its destroying what you believe Islam to be Moses. I know you as much as anyone else hated seeing those kids die, but there will be many Islamic regions of the World that will be celebrating what happened (if not celebrating at least having no sorrow for what happened) just like they did with the twin towers. Thats a very worrying and dangerous state of affairs for World security
04 September 2004, 10:33 PM
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trust me bravo no muslim will be celebrating killing little children my friend, those kids are like my own kids, what they did was so shocking to us, not in a million yrs i thought they would do this.
and also diesel now u know how i feel, this is how my heart got hardened against the enemies of islam and israelis , day and night they butcher my people and enslave them , my people suffer while your guys make up the foreign policy to destroy the muslim and poor countries and to milk them and life is cheap when it aint your own or your loved one, so its easy to bomb them at weddings and with daisy cutters and slay them.
u say what happened in najaf, do u really believe that the british army would have gone into belfast during the wars with the i.r.a and do raze and bomb belfast to get a handful of i.r.a members and kill all catholics, i dont think so, its easy to do that to lil brown men and muslims and blacks.
look at your own mark thatcher the money grabbing so called civilized world my friend, they were willing to overthrow the dictator , didnt matter how many people got killed in the way, they were supplying them with arms,
look at pakistan and india, america supplied pakistan with the arms and israel the ally of american was supplying india over the yrs, what are these guys playing at.
and diesel if u really care for humans, i dont see u cry for the chechen kids, from 100.000 accounted 60% were children.
arent chechen children like your own children, are they animals or something that u dont feel their suffering and the suffering of the palestinians.
bravo im hurt when i read u saying alot of muslims will be celebrating, so sick my friend and below the belt, no one celebrates killing of children , u dont know us, u just stereotype us like u guys always do, done it to the blacks, native americans and chinese and japanese in the past, now its our turn, the white mans burden my friend, thats all it is, the whitemans sickness of pointing fingers at others and not seeing that 3 fingers point at yourself, the problems in this world are coz of the foreign polices of these imperialistic nations in the west.
from the usa, right across europe
u know the score, this wouldnt have happened if russia didnt do what they did in chechyna and it makes me sick what happened, to me these russian children were like my own children.
see when people stereotype us day and night and give us the evil look, it makes u defensive and militant, day and night when people pick on us and call us names , media, tv and attack our countries, u shouldnt blame us being defensive, u can only take so much **** cant u. before u go mad
and also diesel now u know how i feel, this is how my heart got hardened against the enemies of islam and israelis , day and night they butcher my people and enslave them , my people suffer while your guys make up the foreign policy to destroy the muslim and poor countries and to milk them and life is cheap when it aint your own or your loved one, so its easy to bomb them at weddings and with daisy cutters and slay them.
u say what happened in najaf, do u really believe that the british army would have gone into belfast during the wars with the i.r.a and do raze and bomb belfast to get a handful of i.r.a members and kill all catholics, i dont think so, its easy to do that to lil brown men and muslims and blacks.
look at your own mark thatcher the money grabbing so called civilized world my friend, they were willing to overthrow the dictator , didnt matter how many people got killed in the way, they were supplying them with arms,
look at pakistan and india, america supplied pakistan with the arms and israel the ally of american was supplying india over the yrs, what are these guys playing at.
and diesel if u really care for humans, i dont see u cry for the chechen kids, from 100.000 accounted 60% were children.
arent chechen children like your own children, are they animals or something that u dont feel their suffering and the suffering of the palestinians.
bravo im hurt when i read u saying alot of muslims will be celebrating, so sick my friend and below the belt, no one celebrates killing of children , u dont know us, u just stereotype us like u guys always do, done it to the blacks, native americans and chinese and japanese in the past, now its our turn, the white mans burden my friend, thats all it is, the whitemans sickness of pointing fingers at others and not seeing that 3 fingers point at yourself, the problems in this world are coz of the foreign polices of these imperialistic nations in the west.
from the usa, right across europe
u know the score, this wouldnt have happened if russia didnt do what they did in chechyna and it makes me sick what happened, to me these russian children were like my own children.
see when people stereotype us day and night and give us the evil look, it makes u defensive and militant, day and night when people pick on us and call us names , media, tv and attack our countries, u shouldnt blame us being defensive, u can only take so much **** cant u. before u go mad
04 September 2004, 10:33 PM
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B2Z - not disagreeing with you in any way, but just a little background is that the Russians killed 11 members of the mastermind's family. This does not mean you EVER murder children, but it does give some background. If he even LOOKED at my daughter I would tear his heart out through his beard etc...
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PS lets HEAR those local Muslims, and NOW; LOUD >listening<
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PS lets HEAR those local Muslims, and NOW; LOUD >listening<
04 September 2004, 10:43 PM
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Moses you didn't read my post properly. Please read it again and see what I was saying. There is a big difference between Muslims in the West and hard line extreme Muslims in less developed parts of the World. You need to open your eyes and realise there were plenty of Muslims in the Middle East celebrating the twin towers. These same people will not have any sadness for what happened in Russia, they will just see it as another example of Islam fighting back.
04 September 2004, 10:55 PM
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yes i do agree mate plenty of them celebrating twin towers, the evil that it was and how low these people went to celebrate , i understood that point coz alot of people hate america, i hate their goverment but not the people and i hate their foreign policy and i understood why they celebrated it and like they said it was only a punch on the nose for america after what they done in the muslim countries, i did understand their pain but not their joy of seeing innocents get killed in the twin towers
kids are a different story i never seen anyone celebrating the killing of children, if some do they will be a minority and sick in the mind, only people i can think of maybe celebrating will be the chechen mothers who lost their own kids, yes they will be rejoicing, after the yrs they suffered of their kids missing and getting butchered, i do agree with u their but the chechens not others will be celebrating.
i know my fellow muslims only hate 2 enemies more than anyone, its the usa and israel, it was never ever britain till tony joined hands with bush.
bravo mate as u know even the christians celebrate the killing of muslims, u saw that bnp secret service didnt u, and also how the rightwing american neo cons celebrate when arab people get bombed, its bad in both sides, the settlers celebrate in the kibbutz's when innocent palestinians get killed
its sick human nature in some people
kids are a different story i never seen anyone celebrating the killing of children, if some do they will be a minority and sick in the mind, only people i can think of maybe celebrating will be the chechen mothers who lost their own kids, yes they will be rejoicing, after the yrs they suffered of their kids missing and getting butchered, i do agree with u their but the chechens not others will be celebrating.
i know my fellow muslims only hate 2 enemies more than anyone, its the usa and israel, it was never ever britain till tony joined hands with bush.
bravo mate as u know even the christians celebrate the killing of muslims, u saw that bnp secret service didnt u, and also how the rightwing american neo cons celebrate when arab people get bombed, its bad in both sides, the settlers celebrate in the kibbutz's when innocent palestinians get killed
its sick human nature in some people
04 September 2004, 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by moses
yes i do agree mate plenty of them celebrating twin towers, the evil that it was and how low these people went to celebrate , i understood that point coz alot of people hate america, i hate their goverment but not the people and i hate their foreign policy and i understood why they celebrated it and like they said it was only a punch on the nose for america after what they done in the muslim countries, i did understand their pain but not their joy of seeing innocents get killed in the twin towers
kids are a different story i never seen anyone celebrating the killing of children, if some do they will be a minority and sick in the mind, only people i can think of maybe celebrating will be the chechen mothers who lost their own kids, yes they will be rejoicing, after the yrs they suffered of their kids missing and getting butchered, i do agree with u their but the chechens not others will be celebrating.
i know my fellow muslims only hate 2 enemies more than anyone, its the usa and israel, it was never ever britain till tony joined hands with bush.
bravo mate as u know even the christians celebrate the killing of muslims, u saw that bnp secret service didnt u, and also how the rightwing american neo cons celebrate when arab people get bombed, its bad in both sides, the settlers celebrate in the kibbutz's when innocent palestinians get killed
its sick human nature in some people
kids are a different story i never seen anyone celebrating the killing of children, if some do they will be a minority and sick in the mind, only people i can think of maybe celebrating will be the chechen mothers who lost their own kids, yes they will be rejoicing, after the yrs they suffered of their kids missing and getting butchered, i do agree with u their but the chechens not others will be celebrating.
i know my fellow muslims only hate 2 enemies more than anyone, its the usa and israel, it was never ever britain till tony joined hands with bush.
bravo mate as u know even the christians celebrate the killing of muslims, u saw that bnp secret service didnt u, and also how the rightwing american neo cons celebrate when arab people get bombed, its bad in both sides, the settlers celebrate in the kibbutz's when innocent palestinians get killed
its sick human nature in some people
04 September 2004, 11:04 PM
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Diesel you are not infidels as you refer to yourself I have mat many individuals who are very honourable, good, sincere people who are non-Muslim as well as knowing (thankfully not meeting) many evil, scum people who call themselves 'Muslims' (Bin Laaden, Sa'id Qutub - The father of Bin Laadens ideology...alien to Islaam, AbU Hamzah etc. etc.). The Non-Muslims I work with are some of the kindest, nicest, people who show so much help and consideration to me and look beyond my appearance. I have a beard and wear Islaamic clothing (A long shirt...called a 'Thobe'), pray and go to Friday prayers every Friday (Makes sense eh?). Even some of the people who are meant to be my 'friends' who are practising Muslims show less concern for me than my collegues at work in some respects. I feel for those innocent children as I have a 4 year old son and believe me if those evil Chechens had captured a school with my son in it they would probably have done the same to my son as he does not believe what they believe. The war for Muslims like myself is a one against corrupt ideologies like this corrupting and causing disease in the hearts and minds of the ignorant masses of Muslims.
My Brother in law who is African (I am Asian) does a Friday Sermon every week and week in week out he advises and warns about these people and their belief. Demonstrations are of no benefit if you cannot explain the principles to people (Muslims mainly) in detail of how they people are astray and the harm they cause. many Muslims are 'blind' giving lame excuses like 'Jihad', 'Look at what they are suffering' etc. etc. Evil does not justify evil and we believe as Muslim that Allaah bring the calamities upon the Muslims because what their own hands have earned.
I do not accept the argument of, 'Why are you not demonstrating against these people' because to make Muslims aware of these people (Bin Laaden and the likes) you have to wake them up and keep drumming it into their heads.
I teach Muslim children twice a week about Prayer (Its correct manner) and the correct belief in Allaah and how to worship Him correctly and I at least spend a quarter of the time each lesson warning about this kind of corrupted belief and others to them because the terrorism of the mind and heart leads to the terrorism we see in this world today from the astray Muslims. The terrorism of states are a different issue.
My Brother in law who is African (I am Asian) does a Friday Sermon every week and week in week out he advises and warns about these people and their belief. Demonstrations are of no benefit if you cannot explain the principles to people (Muslims mainly) in detail of how they people are astray and the harm they cause. many Muslims are 'blind' giving lame excuses like 'Jihad', 'Look at what they are suffering' etc. etc. Evil does not justify evil and we believe as Muslim that Allaah bring the calamities upon the Muslims because what their own hands have earned.
I do not accept the argument of, 'Why are you not demonstrating against these people' because to make Muslims aware of these people (Bin Laaden and the likes) you have to wake them up and keep drumming it into their heads.
I teach Muslim children twice a week about Prayer (Its correct manner) and the correct belief in Allaah and how to worship Him correctly and I at least spend a quarter of the time each lesson warning about this kind of corrupted belief and others to them because the terrorism of the mind and heart leads to the terrorism we see in this world today from the astray Muslims. The terrorism of states are a different issue.
04 September 2004, 11:26 PM
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Thanks Aaquil. You've helped put my mind at rest 
moses - you havn't.
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i know my fellow muslims only hate 2 enemies more than anyone, its the usa and israel, it was never ever britain till tony joined hands with bush.
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I wish more people could hear you Aaquil - sadly it is more the 'prayers' of hate from Abu Hamza and his like that we hear of. Good people like you are the only ones who can 'fix' this issue.
The good decent people get washed away. I, even with Palestinian, Lebanese and Jordanian Muslim friends, am clearly guilty of this too (you wouldn’t meet a nicer, gentler more decent man than my mate Iyad for e.g…)
You must accept the need to appease and reassure those that you are in the midst of, and those that are scared. I really do think you have a duty, need and responsibility to do this. When something is grossly wrong such as the war in Iraq you do after all see Brits marching visibly in protest and solidarity with offended Muslims (or indeed whoever). There were also hundreds of protesters on US foreign policy arrested outside Bush’s gung-ho conference this week for example.
I understand the resentment and offence but it is self-defeating that a fanatical reaction should make the situation worse for millions and kill any empathy from people like me...
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The good decent people get washed away. I, even with Palestinian, Lebanese and Jordanian Muslim friends, am clearly guilty of this too (you wouldn’t meet a nicer, gentler more decent man than my mate Iyad for e.g…)
You must accept the need to appease and reassure those that you are in the midst of, and those that are scared. I really do think you have a duty, need and responsibility to do this. When something is grossly wrong such as the war in Iraq you do after all see Brits marching visibly in protest and solidarity with offended Muslims (or indeed whoever). There were also hundreds of protesters on US foreign policy arrested outside Bush’s gung-ho conference this week for example.
I understand the resentment and offence but it is self-defeating that a fanatical reaction should make the situation worse for millions and kill any empathy from people like me...
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Uncle Buck and Diesel thank you for your kind words...Belief lesson for the kids today at 4pm...more extremist bashing/ drumming into kids heads and a beautiful day in Manchester...I am also 'on-call' Oh well!!!
Cycle of violence by Jews and Muslims in Israel and no... not all of the USA believe what Bush believes so how can we say the USA and Israel are the most hated by the Muslims. You know who I hate the most people who do extreme injustice whether they be Non Muslim or MUSLIM.
Aaquil and no I am not a 'turn coat' before any ignorant Muslim decides to write without thinking. Some people have to just open their eyes.
Cycle of violence by Jews and Muslims in Israel and no... not all of the USA believe what Bush believes so how can we say the USA and Israel are the most hated by the Muslims. You know who I hate the most people who do extreme injustice whether they be Non Muslim or MUSLIM.
Aaquil and no I am not a 'turn coat' before any ignorant Muslim decides to write without thinking. Some people have to just open their eyes.
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There is a big difference between Muslims in the West and hard line extreme Muslims in less developed parts of the World. You need to open your eyes and realise there were plenty of Muslims in the Middle East celebrating the twin towers.
sadly it is more the 'prayers' of hate from Abu Hamza and his like that we hear of.
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Its good to see some Muslims saying what I have for some time now, and that is that their religion does not advocate killing innocents to further the religion. In the same way that other religions, Islamic or Christian or Jewish etc. advise in their teachings.
I think that it would do a lot to further the cause of peace if a more tolerant and understanding attitude was shown to true religions and that the biased statements being made were addressed to the real villians who are the evil people taking advantage of the people who have been brought up in those religions.
Making general statements such as "it is all down to religion", or "what religion would allow this?" are way off the mark and are a sign of an anti religious attitude which is unfair to those who are true believers, and follow a good life as their religions advise them to do.
No one has to follow a religion, but those who do should not be blamed for doing so.
The dreadful atrocities we see now are down to the ambitious men who are aiming for power at the expense of all including the followers of the religion that they are using to their own ends.
All the effort should be concentrated in taking away their power and I for one hope that those who follow the Muslim faith will do something positive in that direction themselves. With a bit of luck, the recent murders and rapes etc might go a long way to undermining the power of those responsible.
It is not the fault of the religion, just the fundamentalist con men.
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I think that it would do a lot to further the cause of peace if a more tolerant and understanding attitude was shown to true religions and that the biased statements being made were addressed to the real villians who are the evil people taking advantage of the people who have been brought up in those religions.
Making general statements such as "it is all down to religion", or "what religion would allow this?" are way off the mark and are a sign of an anti religious attitude which is unfair to those who are true believers, and follow a good life as their religions advise them to do.
No one has to follow a religion, but those who do should not be blamed for doing so.
The dreadful atrocities we see now are down to the ambitious men who are aiming for power at the expense of all including the followers of the religion that they are using to their own ends.
All the effort should be concentrated in taking away their power and I for one hope that those who follow the Muslim faith will do something positive in that direction themselves. With a bit of luck, the recent murders and rapes etc might go a long way to undermining the power of those responsible.
It is not the fault of the religion, just the fundamentalist con men.
Les
05 September 2004, 06:38 PM
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The kids got an ear full today but with full explanation and they understood...we learnt about learning about Islaam with proofs and the correct understanding which unfortunately seems to be seriously lacking these days.
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
Thanks Aaquil. You've helped put my mind at rest
moses - you havn't.
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moses - you havn't.
UB
UB, you confuse me, reading some of your posts you appear as a frothing at the mouth, raging, bigot and other times you appear as a decent man, appalled at what you see around you - which one is it?
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Its true Uncle Buck I have to agree with Asif but he has put its a bit harshly, frothing at the mouth, raging bigot is a bit too much. I would not go that far...but how can I put it. You can be quite abrasive at times and that can get people's back up. No offence intended.
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I don't think Unclebuck is any different from a lot of people I know. If we were all having a drink together rather than sitting behind screens I'm sure we'd all get on.
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Originally Posted by moses
i know my fellow muslims only hate 2 enemies more than anyone, its the usa and israel, it was never ever britain till tony joined hands with bush.
Please clarify this comment, because it can be taken out of context. Elementary Islamic teaching says that the greatest enemies of Islam are those WITHIN.
In my view this constitutes ANY 'Islamic' terrorist, or in fact anyone who calls themselves a Muslim but does not act like one, its as simple as that. That is the greatest threat to Islam, not those without.
I agree with an awful lot of what you say, but Islam is not about hatred. The Foreign policy of the USA leaves a lot to be desired and has to take some responsibility for what happened in Russia and what has been happening in Israel and Palestine, but needs to be resolved at the political level.
Bush has given his approval for Putin to join the War on Terror, by, frankly, murdering thousands of Chechens and brutally suppressing them. The Chechens, who believe more strongly in blood fueds than they do religion. The Israeli's have not lost the opportunities either, when there is something else going on to to distract everyone, they send in the troops and of course the US say nothing, because it is part of the 'War on Terror'
To those reading this who support the War on Terror, do you support EVERY aspect of it? Do you agree with EVERYTHING that is done is support of the War on Terror?
I believe that Muslims in the UK (and throughout the World), who have a healthy fear of the Police and Law and Order, would do whatever it takes to bring terrorrists to justice, IF they had any information to that effect. Muslim people do not go to the Mosque, have a pray, then pop into the terrorist meeting room to check the notice board, if anyone doubts this, go and take a look for yourselves, its very easy. You will see most people being very concerned about the things that everyone else is, jobs, family, (children especially), home etc. with one notable difference, they are also very concerned at how they are portrayed in the media and how they are perceived as terrorists or harbourers of terrorists.
Yesterdays press made interesting reading, imagine the view from the Daily Mail being similar to my own, in my previous post on this thread?? As far as they are concerned, in their articles and in the Editorial, what happened yesterday is Putins fault, with Bush's backing (Simon Heffer has a different view, but there you go)
Anyway
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