tiggers

So I was thinking of the right thread then!

Progressive

So any rallies held by Muslims? Any Chechen outraged, or are they celebrating the murders of children? all they seem to want to do is to fight for the freedom to impose Shari'a upon the whole region, the freedom to oppress women, the freedom to Talibanize the entire region and live in the Middle Ages.

Don't forget the cleric from London Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed supports taking children as hostage, yet he's still unscathed in England.

AsifScoob

Shut it you Idiot!

Soulgirl

Religion is the most abhorrent obstacle in the path of any decent human being. Yes, before you question me, I have authoritative discrimination - I was brought up in church.

mart360

Priests & nuns the scariest teachers ever...

if ever they want to screw a childs brain... its make them a god robot..

mart

Soulgirl

It was not a chance for them to make a 'God's Robot', it was merely a way of redeeming themselves for all the wrongdoing they practiced, and still do.

AsifScoob

Was not making any comment about religion, not a particularly religious person myself, just despise the pseudo intellectual, racist babbling of a complete moron with a long track record of the same.

Feel free to express your opinions, I will only ever defend the side of common sense and decency.

Asif (pi$$ed off with idiots)

bdscooby

Hi there,I am a muslim and a strong beliver in islam,i agree that there is no reason to kill innocent people them being muslims or not,as far as the religon it is about love nad peace like any other religon,not about chopping heads or being a terrorists,i read a qoute in the quran(translateing in my own words)fight but do not start the fight cuz god dosent like violence).
I strongly belive that no person should take away anybodys life over land,religon and money.
I also belive that what goes around,comes around if one country is doing bad with another that country will get it turn.
I know alot of muslims will not agree with me,but i am following what the quran says like every other muslim,but what i have never read is that god says kill,what i have read from the quran it syas you have no right to take life cuz god is the only who gives life and takes life.

I cannot see islam as a bad religon as people think it is its just the few minority that make it bad and we all ahve to suffer.
terrorist only use islam as an excuse to kill.Islam is a religon that belives in Love and peace.

This goes to all muslims and anybody else who thinks i am wrong(Our Prophet spread his religon woth love nad peace,and did not resort to vilonce.Why cant we all live in love nad peace because we all belive in the same god but have diffrent values.

I do not mean to offend anybody by this,but i can not sit and see people calling islam bad aswell cuz if we all followed(MUSLIMS)the quran then i think we would not have any terrorists and we would only fight when we get attacked first.

Soulgirl

That's comforting isn't it.

Soulgirl

is that your get out clause?

Soulgirl

Now that just makes you dangerous!

bdscooby

Can i say that is only if somebody either tries to change your religon or speaks against Allah and the Prophet(PBUH),or someone attacks you first.

Thats is the whole reason why people use these types of versus against islam.

Soulgirl

So, by your reckoning bdscooby, if someone attacks you first, or, blimey if someoone tries to change your religion, bearing in mind that religion is the only thing that causes war in the whole wide world, it would be ok to kill? My goodness, ok, I wanted to say oh my god because that carries weight, but of course only on a religious measure.... religion sucky because it is a profound set of archaic laws reaching back thousands of years and lets face it... the are WRONG

yoza

Race, religion, colour, belief, no excuse.......You dont deliberately kill kids.

End of.

bdscooby

no i will not kill because somebidy wants me to change my religon,what you want to think about religon is entierly up to you and i do not want to argue like you have said religon kills,in every religon you will find people who would kill over religon.
as for attacking im sure alot of people out there would fight back if they were getting attacked.

I will leave your thinking up to you and will end this conversation here because i dont want argue with anybodyor upset anybody.
thank you,Have a nice evening soulgirl

Soulgirl

yoza.. I understand your concern.. but given the beliefs of these people that is not at the top of their list... albeit Wrong. It seems to be a rather precarious annulment of human rights and understanding, not withholding barbarianism.

bdscooby

i agree there mate,the only thing im saying is that all the evil people out there willuse religon to start anything.

Soulgirl

bdscooby.. all religion is, is a set of rules. Like you were asked to comprehend at school... such as do not steal. They are simple, non archaich values. We, meaning the whole of mankind, do not need such rules because we have learned that wronging a person leads to a wronging upon yourself.

You don't kneed the bible, the koran or playboy to tell you what is right nor wrong. If you are brought up with a sense of dignity, sobriety and worthyness, religion is just another 'shoved down your throat' drug that we could all do without.

Soulgirl

Answer me this. Why do you have religion bdscooby? Give me one good reason why religion is right. Tell me what you have learned with religion and why we should all follow Allah.

Why is it right that you murder those very women that refuse to be married in your way to a bespoke male?

bdscooby

religon is not forced upon a person,if he/she wish's they canlearn about it,if they dont then that is entirely upto them,i have never had religon forced upon me and i have with anything i do look into until i am not satisfied.

As for what individual do neither can ou or me stop them,ok i was pissed and disturbed about what happened in russia cuz it is wrong let alone a kid,taking anybodys life is wrong.
you can not hold a whole community,race,religon against what an individual or a group of people are doing.I am not backing any terrorist or anybody who kills people,i have this argument day in and day out with my uncles.
so please can we end this here,and leave our pesonnal belifs and thoughts to ourselves.
Is that ok

Soulgirl

There are a huge following that refuse to consider race, colour, weight, creed, reason.

When we travel to a holy place we are told to leave our literature at home... yet when they relocate here they demand every methodical religious thing they have and hold dear. I say this. How dare they! We cannot travel to your land with our own religious belongings and baggage, yet you demand to bring yours to our forgiving land. Pot Kettle Black!

Don't think I will be standing for parliament this year.

gsm1

Who is they? You're making some ridiculous generalisations.

Soulgirl

I am not making any ridiculous generalistaions.. I am talking about the religous based sects that say we, the British, are living our lives incorrectly. You knew what I was basing my statement upon before you thought of the word 'generalisation'. We, the British, are all for individualism, but do not need the bullll**** spouted from some sectarian group basing their opinion upon their own religion. We are a nation of free speech, free enterprise and freeDOM.

gsm1

Yeah, and free f*cking of the rest of the world.

Soulgirl

Ahh.. so you can interpret your Koran then! That is what I can interpret from the readings.. get what you can when you can, and damn every other person. Bully for you gsm1

gsm1

I'm not even a Muslim, you idiot. Go read the bible and you'll find as much crap as the Koran.

Grow up. Are you wearing a Burkha? Has anyone tried to force you to become a Muslim anymore than the Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons or Moonies that turn up at your door?

Like Britain never tried to impose its **** all over the world.

Soulgirl

.. no, but I am wearing Dior!

I apologise.. you interupted at a point whereby you could have complained at being at one with the Koran.

So, Who or What are you at one with?

Please, do not assume I am an 'idiot'. Not only did I have my teeth polished today, of my own free will, I also decided, prepared and cooked my families dinner whilst on my period! Without gloves!! he he.... now you are going to say that is not part of your religion aren't you.

Religion = war.

Soulgirl

Oh god! I completely forgot about that! Please remind me again in 2000 years.

Aaquil

Soulgirl you are making some sweeping generalisations and quoting the Qur'aan without the correct understanding and without even the best translation. You have just been looking through the Qur'aan and picked the verses that support your stance and left other verses. Those verses were for specific circumstances at specific times and for a specific place. Not to be generally quoted as you have done so and that is not fair.

Also, please look at my previous replies if you would like to see what kind of Islaam I support and believe in (Not that there is any other Islaam other than that).

Islaam is a religion of Justice and kindness to Muslims and Non-Muslims. Whether the Chechens are Muslim or not much of the action they do in this war with the Russians is through tribalism and decades of revenge attacks from one to another. If they like to give that what happened as being from Islaam then it is their own version of 'Islaam' that is forbidden and hated and against the teachings of Allaah and His Messenger. But let us all be just the terrorism of the Chechens is only matched by the state terrorism of Putin and his regime that has done much the same to the Chechen women and children for decades. See some of my previous posts to see more of what I am getting at.

As for forced marriages they are not marriages at all because in Islaam the women is honoured and protected. To be married there are the following requirement:
1. The woman's guardian (Father usually).
2. Witnesses.
3. THE WOMAN'S CONSENT!!!

The people who have knowledge of Islaam have even been asked about these so called marriages and have stated that these marriages many of them DO NOT COUNT BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF THE WOMAN'S CONSENT. Pakistani, Bengali Muslims (and I use the term 'Muslim' very loosely for them) who force their poor daughters or sisters to marry people that they do not want to are following dispicable and disgusting culture...which is alien to Islaam.

These are the kind of things that Muslims like myself and my friend try to fight and educated the ignoramus cultural Muslims about. What you have to understand is that the majority of the Muslims are ignorant of how to worship their Lord properly in the correct manner and do not even have the correct belief in Allaah which are the main issues let alone these other issues and they are ignorant and should be taught and in many cases just plain evil.

My wife covers out of her own choice because she beleives that is obedience to her Lord. I have a beard and cover (ie I wear a long loose garment which consists of baggy trousers and a long shirt or a 'Thobe' which resembles a 'wee willie winkie' type nightgown thingy that covers my bits and curves just as my wife does) this is out of obedience to my Lord as well. My wife is and English teacher and I am a dentist, we both drive (well my wife is learning) and we both go out together mainly (we are like best mates) or with our individual friends. My collegues at work are mainly Non-Muslims that I have a very good and close relationship with the males and females its just that I do not kiss or make excessive physical contact with those women not out of disrespect or looking down on them but out of care, concern, honouring and respect for them. In this respect my female work colleagues feel very 'chilled' and comfortable with me. I help them all out in advice which they commonly come to me for and in their work, I also buty them gift (mainly chocolates, cakes and drinks). So not all Muslims are as you think and just to finish I HATE BIN LAADEN, ABU HAMZAH, UMAR BAKARI and anyone like that who supports them. Most of all I hate SA'ID QUTUB who was the founder and father of these sick people in terms of the doctrines.

Aaquil

Killing anyone without just cause is forbidden in Islaam and before you say it what happened in Russia was not just cause. Killing men or women is forbidden totally but to kill children is even more dispicable because they are innocent and have not harmed anyone. Those people have no excuse no matter what...evil does not justify evil. Those people are evil and will be punished for the grave injustice they have done and the fact that many of them may have commited suicide which is clearly forbidden is Islaam.