Aaquil

I would just like to state how happy I am with all the nice replies I have been getting from people especially R32, my friend Little Miss WRX, andrewdelvard, Brit in Japan and Leslie. To be honest I was not expecting such a warm reception. I am not writing things to make friends this is the correct, balanced stance of Islaam no more no less...whether I make friends or get praised for it or not I must speak and in this case write the truth as part of my 'Jihaad' is not to lie to people under any circumstances even if it is against me. Lying is only permitted to bring good results and let me be very specific - To bring two waring or fighting parties together whether they be your friends in Islaam or otherwise and only if it will BRING THE GREATER GOOD.

Anyway I'm getting off the point...I must admit I am constantly checking this thread to see if I have had any responses and as I have here we go...

Brit in Japan you wrote "I am interested to know what steps you think Western countries like the UK, US etc can take to reduce the incidents of terrorism by these fanatics." My answer is simple I do not really know but what you have to understand is that I feel the 'War on terrorism' is just a cloak for other things. Let me explain...oil resources, a base in the Middle East etc. Also what about the terrorism being carried out on White farmers in Zimbabwe they are being killed, driven out of their homes 'Ethnically cleansed' and let us look at Sudan what about that a real messed up place Muslims and Non-Muslims of one tribe killing Muslims and Non-Muslims of another why does Russia, the UK and the USA intervene in these places this is also terror they can just use the excuse 'War on Terrorism' can they not? Or is there nothing to gain?

So even if I did have a solution I do not think it would ever be of any benefit. The simple fact is that the Muslims have to be educated, nurtured and advised the religion and stances most of them follow is putting them in the predicament they are in today. The success and destruction of a people is that Allaah allows it to happen due to the injustice in the lands for example the leaving of their religion, ingratitude to Allaah and taking on and establishment of corrupted beliefs an practises alien to Islaam but given the vein of Islaam. Unfortunately, Muslims indirectly believe that people like Blair, Bush and Putin are gods besides Allaah with some share of divinity they do not say "Look what Allaah is doing (or letting happen to us)" they say "Look at what Bush and Blair are doing to us!" Allaah is in control of all the affair and as ungreatful (Muslim) people who are well aware of the Bounties that Allaah bestowed upon them are in a situation they truly deserve because as Allaah is the Most Just and Merciful He will not punish a people unless they truly deserve it. If innocents are affected by this punishment then they will be raise on the Day of Judgement on the basis of what their heart conceals and their intentions.

There is no doubt that bombing people and taking over their countries and imposing rule on the people will fuel and give ammo for the people who want to promote their own political and evil agendas...I mean the likes of Abu Hamzaha and Bin Laadin. Leslie regarding the Israeli issue how can there be a solution when the USA is involved in the discussions and talks and they supply Israel with billions of dollars and weapons etc. On the other side most of the Muslims in that region are fighting over the land religion does not come into it as frankly many of them have no religion at all.

Regards these issues I would always refer to the scholar of our time and even though some of you may not like this (Muslims mainly) THERE ARE NOT SCHOLARS IN TH UK AT ALL! Anyone who believes that they themselves are or promotes anyone as a scholar in the UK is actual very ignorant. The true scholar have the understanding of the sources of Islaam and the wisdom of how they should be applied in our time...I amd sure they would say let the Muslims return to their religion and Allaah will remove the calamities. These things are also a tests for the Muslims Allaah wants to see who is sincere and will remain firm on their religion.

Sorry, my lovely...demanding wife wants some take away so I have to go I will continue later...

Ted Maul

I would like to hear Moses's opinion on your views Aaquil

Aaquil

Please don't open up a potential can of worm!!! That is not maent to be an attack on Moses I'm just trying to be light hearted. To be honest and frank and not to offend anyone (Muslim or non Muslim) I do not really care. This is the stance of Islaam no more no less.

And before anyone thinks I am being apologetic then look at my previous threads about 'state run terrorism'. I am just appealing to the intellects an goodness of Non Muslim and Non Muslims by telling them about Islaam like it or lump it.

Aaquil

Right I'll be back later ASDA late night shopping...I've just come back from work!!!

Aaquil

Maybe more importantly than Moses what do you think Ted? Am I being ignorant by presuming you are non-Muslim? I just want people who may not know much about Islaam to have a taster of what I know and feel and understand where some Muslims are coming from.

Aaquil

Sorry I was meant to write "can or worms" not "worm" I don't make any sense sometimes (plonker).

unclebuck

Aaquil - it's good from my point of view to hear genuine moderate Islaamic opinions on things. I think it's a shame that more don't make their views clear in order to help put events around the world into context.

By contrast, I find I am less comfortable with the unseemly scramble by some others as they try to align themselves with you in order to gain a slice of 'the moral high ground'.

UB

Aaquil

Thanks Uncle Buck nice to see you write that...about the 'moral high ground' anyone who wants to do that is up to them. I do not really care...in the nicest way of course.

Right I've definetly got to go the wife and son are patiently standing here waiting to go ASDA. Maybe I'll be on later

Thanks

Aaquil.

tiggers

So presumably ub (bearing in mind your usual stance on this) you're now tarring all Muslims with the same brush except for Aaquil

unclebuck

So presumably tiggers (bearing in mind your usual stance on everything) you are posting your normal trolling nonsense? Why else would you suddenly put in an appearance on this thread.

UB

tiggers

Trolling and suddenly put in an appearance? Trolling to you seems to mean having a different opinion to yours and FYI posts 34, 37, 40, 50 ... etc. are mine - you were discussing it with me at the time for goodness sake so it's hardly suddenly putting in an appearance is it?

Anyway let me refesh your memory - you said:

As someone who has several very close Muslim friends I found/find your comments offensive especially as you conveniently seem to forget them when it suits.

Anyway at the end of the day I fear we find ourselves at our usual impasse - have we ever agreed on anything

All the best,

tiggers.

unclebuck

Oh, the old - "I know a muslim so you have no right to an opinion" clause. You're wearing that one out.

I guess we'll have find you some room on the hill with the other 'moral high grounders then'.

- Trolling to you seems to mean having a different opinion to yours and FYI posts 34, 37, 40, 50 ... etc -

Did you? Sorry I must have nodded off during that bit.

UB

moses

just read the thread bros aaquail well said mashallah u made me happy, well done bros


and ted lol moses would say hello ted hows u

tiggers

No, you've every right to an opinion - I just don't happen to agree with it - that's all.

Regards,

tiggers.

Aaquil

Come on guys chill a bit...we don't this thread deleted if at all possible we seemed to have all benefited from it so much. There is some good that can come out of tradegy even if it is very little (good that is).

tiggers

Apologies Aaquil, it's not my intention to get the thread locked as a lot of the latter posts (well not the very latter ones ) have been very interesting.

Regards,

tiggers.

unclebuck

Sorry, I was just responding to provocation from the usual source. I'll just post this and then shutup - tiggers, I read many things I don't agree with on here every day. I just don't feel the need to bleat on about it all the time.

martyrobertsdj

iTrader: (1)

Aaquil writes.....

"THERE ARE NOT SCHOLARS IN TH UK AT ALL! Anyone who believes that they themselves are or promotes anyone as a scholar in the UK is actual very ignorant. The true scholar have the understanding of the sources of Islaam and the wisdom of how they should be applied in our time"

So...are you saying that in order to be classed as a scholar, one must understand the Islamic faith?

Definitions (from various sources):

Scholarly person, student -- (a learned person (especially in the humanities); someone who by long study has gained mastery in one or more disciplines)

An acedemic, or a learned person

One engaged in the pursuits of learning; a learned person; one versed in any branch, or in many branches, of knowledge; a person of high literary or scientific attainments; a savant.

A man of books.

Erm.......no mention of Islam!! Maybe you meant Scholars of Islam? Maybe I didn't read far enough back in the posts.

I'm sure that over the years, there have been scholars in the United Kingdom.

Cheers,

Marty

tiggers

Aaquil's right - this is not the the thread for this so how about just giving it a rest eh?

unclebuck

you're doing it again..... (cough)sycophant(cough) Let's leave it there....

UB

tiggers

Sigh!

Little Miss WRX

Guys, guys, come on now!

I will do the courtesy of leaving the thread as it is, but please, no more else I will remove certain users posts to keep the thread in context. Seeing as the minor dispute ended in a friendly manner (thanks Aaquil ) I will give the benefit of the doubt.

Even if I wasn't viewing this for moderation purposes I am certainly intrigued and learning a hell of a lot from it. there are certainly questions being asked that I would have raised too and answers that are giving me a better insight and understanding of certain issues.

Again, keep up the excellent work and Aaquil, I hope your wife and son weren't too bothered by the delay to ASDA that Scoobynet caused.

Regards,

Michelle.

Leslie

Its not so much whether you post about something that you disagree with, we are all entitled to do that, but its the way you do it thats more significant.

Les

Diesel

Hope you got back from Asda safely with a fresh can of worms Aaquil

It has been good to hear one lone voice of Islamic reasonableness and moderation in this currently very sad and destructive world (and on Scoobynet of all places!). It is good to have reassurance that the fundamentals of Islam are indeed as a peaceful and respectful religion (or ‘life ethos’/’moral code’ as a non religious person like me perceives it).

Unfortunately however the bombs are still going off in the name of Islam – I wonder where today’s will be? I know its been asked earlier, but what can be done to stop the killing of innocents? The irony (sorry cant think of a better word) is that it is mostly fellow Muslims who suffer most in these terrorist acts – they didn’t kill a single Australian in Jakarta after all, only innocent local Muslim civilians.

Clearly US/UK have to depart Iraq [and leave it in chaos]; there has to be a just solution for Palestinians; Chechnya needs to be as free as say Latvia is, and, to have any chance of the much touted moral highground the UN needs to intervene in low strategic importance countries when there is genocide and ethnic cleansing going on. That should be a start to put OUR house in order.

Can anything similar be done (other than cloning and dispatching thousands of Aaquil’s) in the Islamic direction? Even ‘PR’ as Aaquil does here is absurdly valuable. Many of us have learnt a lot and, I’ll be honest, it has killed some hate I had and calmed some of my horror driven and reactionary anti-Islamic feelings. You know the feeling when you see someone walking down the street in Islamic dress or wearing a veil/burkha, and you sometimes wonder ‘do they hate me and wish me and my family harm’?

It’s nice to see something positive, enlightening and genuinely valuable coming from here (and not even related to my 4 driven wheels)

D

Aaquil

Marty I meant Islaamic scholar I should have made that clear...sorry mate!!!

Aaquil

I'm 'On call' today so have loads of calls to return so when and IF I GET A SPARE MOMENT (Fat chance) I will start replying all you guys. Get ready for some reading!!!

bigJoe

Hang on

What’s going on here?

"Clearly US/UK have to depart Iraq [and leave it in chaos]; there has to be a just solution for Palestinians; Chechnya needs to be as free as say Latvia is, and, to have any chance of the much touted moral highground the UN needs to intervene in low strategic importance countries when there is genocide and ethnic cleansing going on. That should be a start to put OUR house in order."

Ok Diesel,

You can’t blame all the worlds ills on the western world, it seem that Islam has been hijacked by the terrorist, but the Islamic allowed it to happen and must be responsible for clearing it’s own name (no-one else could do that anyway)!

The above quote also display what is wrong with a western liberal approach to dealing with problems that arise in the middle east!

Why do the Coalition (not just the UK/USA) have to leave Iraq? The reason the Coalition went in there was because the Iraqis couldn’t be trusted to run their own country, causing trouble and endangering nearby countries – the situation clearly needed resolving and the Arab world clearly wasn’t doing anything about it.

Chechnya was free (as free as the rest of Russia), before they (a small number of) started their war of independence and look where they are now – real smart.

Note also a just solution for the Palestinians includes middle eastern countries as well, however they seem intent on perpetuating the currant situation – why???

As for Moral high ground – what did the moral high do for the kids in Chechnya, Nick Berg, the people in the WTC or the Spanish commuters????

Moral high ground is a tem used by liberals to ovoid solving problems, the current middle eastern problem can only be solved by strong leadership from both the western countries and the Islamic world, but it is the Islamic world that needs to change it’s views or face becoming even more outcast as freedom, democracy and prosperity continue spreading throughout the entire world (albeit slowly).

You liberals just don’t it do you – no offence BTW

Aaquil

big Joe

Please just have a look at some of the previous replies on this thread because I fear that the reply you have posted is without having read ALL of this long, long discussion/debate (whatever you want to call it...I prefer discussion). Really you have to do that to do all of us involved in it any justice before labelling us. Certainly I do not intend any offence by my reply.

Aaquil.

Diesel

Joe I really am not sure how 'liberal' I am (not very judging by my earlier posts I imagine). This puts you WAY to the right, and I'm afraid that its these type of right wing bully-bossy approaches to the world that have helped breed resentment and caused the current world chaos.

My comment is that BOTH sides need to put their houses in order, and I am happy to list our mistakes and failings. Let the others do the same too.

You come across as an authoritarian world policeman type I'm afraid, and I really dont think Chechnya is a free autonomous state as you imply.

D

Aaquil

Diesel

I want to respond to some of your comments from before but not yet...I'm busy. I tell you one thing though if you cloned loads of me the world would be full of ugly mugs!!! Hardly bares thinking about!!! Nightmare scenario!!!

Leslie

Diesel is right Big Joe. Your statements border on an imperialist attitude and that would solve nothing these days. Its nothing to do with being a liberal Roman sandal wearer, just applying common sense to the situation.

Of course there are faults on all sides, but most of the real trouble is down to the leaders who like all good generals are happy to lend their names to the planning to send their foot soldiers off to do the dirty work while they lead from the rear as usual. Its a general struggle for world power which politicians crave at the expense of the people, and to hell with the consequences while it goes on.

As I understand it, Chechnya used to be an independent state until it was annexed by the Soviet Union. They naturally object to having to kowtow to Russia. Rather like the Palestinians feel about losing land to Israel, and elsewhere in the world where this situation exists. No one likes to lose bits of their own country. It would have been the same if Kuwait now belonged to Iraq. The situation above does not however excuse terrorism and the killing of innocent people.

The wrong thing to do to solve the problem is to walk in and take over a country because you say that the people can't be trusted to do it themselves. That is an elitist attitude and as Diesel said would cause everlasting trouble, as we are seeing now. Not necessarily the right thing to force a style of government of your choosing on a country either. That should be up to the people concerned.

A tolerant and understanding attitude coupled with really honest behaviour by some of the countries involved would go much further when it comes to settling much of the World's troubles as well as a firm attitude towards dealing with murderous actions. A bit of give and take from some of the countries who possess lands which belonged to others would help as well. Attacking other countries to steal their land is just not acceptable anymore.

Les